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by Mallorea and Riva » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:29 pm
by Cossack Khanate » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:32 pm
The Holy Decreeist Empire of Cossack Khanate
We don’t use NS Stats, to do so would be ridiculous. You also can’t check my factbooks...because they are in Google Docs. Tee hee
Council of Free Market Economies ,ReArk Armaments (WIP)
A proud member of the regions Cornellia (IC) and Farkasfalka (OOC).
Proud Monarch of the ♔♚IMPERION COALITION♚♔
Me in not so much of nutshell: The Nutshell
by Mallorea and Riva » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:33 pm
Cossack Khanate wrote:I am FOR, and I strongly support a native delegate for any region. Plus, he is an anti-fascist, so…..
by Ransium » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:56 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Not sure about the "private servers" line as far as R4 is concerned, this isn't a ruling and I won't be making rulings here since it's my resolution being discussed. I know forum is fine, don't know how servers would fly.
by Fauxia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:09 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:Fauxia wrote:I get that this is a controversial repeal and people would like to argue about it. Nothing wrong with that, argue whatever you want. However, any suggestions on how to improve this? I don't think it's ready yet but I don't know where to go with it.
Maybe add a clause about LWU itself being condemned? I think its pretty well written right now Fauxia
Ransium wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:Not sure about the "private servers" line as far as R4 is concerned, this isn't a ruling and I won't be making rulings here since it's my resolution being discussed. I know forum is fine, don't know how servers would fly.
I don’t see how private servers is legal. Unless you can find a way to use the term in a way that could also mean personal servants.
by Mount Seymour » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:56 pm
Fauxia wrote:The Security Council,
Acknowledging Evil Wolf for its service to various feeder and sinker regions, as well as its aid in anti-fascist military operations,
Conceding the positive effects of said actions of Evil Wolf to the world community,
Aware, however, that Evil Wolf has a history of actions that have caused serious strife in various regions and the world at-large,
Recalling that Evil Wolf is the Founder of the infamous region Lone Wolves United (LWU), an invader organization widely known for coups of Feeder and Sinker regions as well as standard raiding, which was condemned by this body in SC Resolution #74,
Appalled that despite SC#169 having commended Evil Wolf for actions as Delegate of Lazarus, their more recent developments in Lazarus negate those actions, including,
- On July 24, 2017, Evil Wolf (as Killer Kitty), with help from Scum (an associate of the Khan of Lone Wolves United, Lamb Stone) and Funkadelia (also a member of Lone Wolves United, via their subsidiary Funkadelia Island), used flimsy evidence derived from private lines of communication to accuse many natives of the region of treason, subsequently banning many of them from the region without trial,
- Shortly following the coup, Evil Wolf, Funkadelia, and Lamb Stone put a new Constitution in place, eliminating democracy for Delegate elections and replacing it with a Dictatorship that placed far more power into their hands, and,
- When the trio was still unsatisfied with its power, on March 13, 2018, following the "resignation" of Funkadelia, Lazarus was made into a "Khanate" flying the flag of Lone Wolves United, with Lamb Stone (now via the nation Aleister) as Delegate and "Khan" (the same term for Lamb Stone's role as the Leader of Lone Wolves United). Evil Wolf played a key part in this, arguing strongly in defense of these moves
on forums, while being made a "General",alongside other members of LWU such as Funkadelia (now as Delescluze) and Tom (as the nation Chef Big Dog). The continued changes in the region included a revamp of the World Factbook Entry declaring that "the Dictatorship of the Raider" had begun.
Noting the detrimental effects of this new, Lone Wolves United-influenced regime which Evil Wolf has helped to push on Lazarus, including the end of the Lazarene Celestial Armada, which has caused a severe lack of military presence for Lazarus,
Pointing out the similarities between the situation currently in Lazarus and that described in Security Council #176, in which the commendation of A mean old man was repealed for assistance in the execution of a coup against Lazarus (a coup that, ironically, Evil Wolf argued strongly against),
Believing that, while Evil Wolf has performed laudable actions, its mixed and more recently troubling record does not meet the standards of a nation commended by this august body,
Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #169.
The Pacific Alpine Commonwealth of Mount Seymour
a.k.a. Somyrion, Aumeltopia
by Fauxia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:56 pm
by Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:55 am
Fauxia wrote:Goodness, Somy, I add all that I'll have to make you co-author
by Fauxia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:08 am
by Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:18 am
by Killer Kitty » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:14 am
Mount Seymour wrote: used flimsy evidence derived from private lines of communication to accuse many natives of the region of treason, subsequently banning many of them from the region without trial,
by The House of Petain » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:29 am
by Fauxia » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:48 am
by Fauxia » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:52 am
Killer Kitty wrote:Mount Seymour wrote: used flimsy evidence derived from private lines of communication to accuse many natives of the region of treason, subsequently banning many of them from the region without trial,
Blatantly false. Those accused of participating in the July Conspiracy were given a trial, of which most were successfully convicted with a few found innocent of charges.
by Fratt » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:31 am
Killer Kitty wrote:Mount Seymour wrote: used flimsy evidence derived from private lines of communication to accuse many natives of the region of treason, subsequently banning many of them from the region without trial,
Blatantly false. Those accused of participating in the July Conspiracy were given a trial, of which most were successfully convicted with a few found innocent of charges.
A spambot wrote:You said that the NPO should not change it's core culture.
Literally everyone else, including the NPO, realizes and understands that NPO culture is the problem.
I'm sure these are the best towel warmers and it will come in handy here.
So you either don't realize that the NPO's core culture caused a war and the subversion of countless regions, or you just don't care.
by The Church of Satan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:59 am
by Lenlyvit » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:06 am
The Church of Satan wrote:In addition to the flimsy evidence part, none of the accused were allowed to speak at the trial in their own defense (or at all for that matter) like Lazarene law at the time of the trial said we were allowed. So the trial itself was illegal. Thus it is accurate to say that we were banned without trial.
by Wrapper » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:13 am
by Killer Kitty » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:52 am
Fratt wrote:The crime they were convicted for ('subversive activity') did not even exist in Lazarene law in July, when the bans occurred
Fratt wrote:There was no trial for the original charges ('treason, high treason, fraud, conspiracy').
Fratt wrote:The evidence used to file the original charges (which formed the pretext to expel over half of the regional government's members and start a major constitutional and legal renovation of the region) was taken out of context
Fratt wrote:there was no adequate and impartial assessment as to whether Funkadelia's actions in July were legal.
Fratt wrote:And yes, as Fauxia said the judge(s) who accepted the charges and performed the trial were biased and should've been disqualified, as they had a personal interest in the outcome.
Lenlyvit wrote:We weren't allowed to defend ourselves at all.
The Church of Satan wrote:So the trial itself was illegal. Thus it is accurate to say that we were banned without trial.
by The Church of Satan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:23 am
by Killer Kitty » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:31 am
The Church of Satan wrote:Our posting privileges were removed when we were remasked as "accused" so no we were not able to speak at our trial.
by The Church of Satan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:32 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:Our posting privileges were removed when we were remasked as "accused" so no we were not able to speak at our trial.
Irrelevant to the Dominion Courts or the trial at which you were convicted of charges. The CU trial was never concluded because of the transition to the new government and due to the lack of the required three judge panel. You were masked as such to prevent you and your group from flaming the forums, something I do recall warning a number of people for. Had we kept with the CU government and elected a third Prelate (judge) then you would have been masked in such a manner to comment on the trial.
Edit: I looked at the masking, you were allowed to comment in the Trial during the UDL government. Several people masked as such did.
Double Edit: Including Church of Satan
by Fauxia » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:44 pm
by Killer Kitty » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:25 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:Speaking at that trial in any capacity that doesn't involve a protest would have been condoning the illegitimate government. >_>
by The Church of Satan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:45 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:Your reasoning and claims have changed so much in just the span of this thread that it's very hard to take anything you say seriously.
Your claims seems to morph the second you're called out on a lie, or your argument isn't working, or your logic falls flat. This is a trademark characteristic of most of the participants of the July Conspiracy. Whenever they thought the law supported them, they'd claim legality. Whenever they got caught doing something illegal, they'd claim that the law doesn't matter, morality does.
Your side constantly backtracks and flip flops on the drop of a hat in order to appear justifiable. Sadly, this mostly fails to appeal to anyone who isn't already politically bias.
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