[Shelved] Liberate Arcem (SCUT)

[Viscondy]

I’m against, but I hate this attack. I don’t care what the motoves are behind writing a proposal.

Misconstruing the distinction between 'Nazi' and 'fascist' in a disturbing way which doesn't seem very honest.

[Divine Unity]

This proposal looked good before I tried to read anything else to back up the claims.

This entire ordeal appears to be nothing more than an attempt to increase proposal authorship, with a bonus of holier-than-thou self-congratulation.

Not only do I not approve of this proposal, but I begin to wonder if the Security Council shouldn't be considering a condemnation for such false accusations.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Glad to see this getting nowhere

[La Navasse]

This proposal looked good before I tried to read anything else to back up the claims.

This entire ordeal appears to be nothing more than an attempt to increase proposal authorship, with a bonus of holier-than-thou self-congratulation.

Not only do I not approve of this proposal, but I begin to wonder if the Security Council shouldn't be considering a condemnation for such false accusations.

I think you're referring to Liberate USSD.

Misconstruing the distinction between 'Nazi' and 'fascist' in a disturbing way which doesn't seem very honest.

Nazis are fascists, but fascists aren't necessarily Nazis, though both are equally detested by NS. Have I not made that distinction clear?

[Viscondy]

Nazis are fascists, but fascists aren't necessarily Nazis, though both are equally detested by NS. Have I not made that distinction clear?

Obviously.
But the details of the distinction can not be used to seperate Bunicken from TIO. TIO is fascist, but the founder is clearly not Nazi in relation to the main defining feature of Nazism.
It sounds like you're using the distinction to label monarchist or strongly conservative regions as fascist while preserving the strength of the original 'fascism' by replacing it with 'Nazism'.
But that's just from one sentence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism
Take in this information and you'll see it's quite different from reactionary monarchism in-and-of-itself.
"Italian Fascism opposed liberalism, especially classical liberalism that Mussolini and Fascist leaders denounced as "the debacle of individualism",[6] but rather than seeking a reactionary restoration of the pre-French Revolutionary world, which it considered to have been flawed, it had a forward-looking direction.[7]"

[Prydania]

Glad to see this getting nowhere

Almost like the slippery slope argument peddled during the Liberate KReicb and Liberate NE debates was toothless
Here we have someone attempting an offensive liberation against a non-fascist and non-Nazi region, and the vast majority of people who supported offensive liberations against Nazis don’t support this one.

[New Legland]

This proposal looked good before I tried to read anything else to back up the claims.

This entire ordeal appears to be nothing more than an attempt to increase proposal authorship, with a bonus of holier-than-thou self-congratulation.

Not only do I not approve of this proposal, but I begin to wonder if the Security Council shouldn't be considering a condemnation for such false accusations.

I think you're referring to Liberate USSD.

He isn't. Are you seriously that stupid/stubborn?

[Ultramarr]

You have the vile ideologies of communism and globalism and Marxism and capitalism yet you pick on the innocent fascists that haven't wronged anyone they just have morals and like their nation or culture. Not to mention they not even fascist.

[New Legland]

If this even makes it to quorum, it will serve as proof of the ignorance and corruption festering in the WA.

[The City-State of Bastion]

You have the vile ideologies of communism and globalism and Marxism and capitalism yet you pick on the innocent fascists that haven't wronged anyone they just have morals and like their nation or culture

We're not fascists though. We don't support fascists either.

[Ultramarr]

You have the vile ideologies of communism and globalism and Marxism and capitalism yet you pick on the innocent fascists that haven't wronged anyone they just have morals and like their nation or culture

We're not fascists though. We don't support fascists either.

You guys arent even fascist. To the hateful masses of marxists of nationstates anyone to the right of Stalin and Mao is "fascist"

[Viscondy]

You have the vile ideologies of communism and globalism and Marxism and capitalism yet you pick on the innocent fascists that haven't wronged anyone they just have morals and like their nation or culture. Not to mention they not even fascist.

Fascism believes that violence is not fundamentally wrong, and it is justified for any other cause, so it is a hateful and violent ideology which I reject strongly. And even if you say reasonable things, I don't vant to associate with it in any way.

[Ultramarr]

You have the vile ideologies of communism and globalism and Marxism and capitalism yet you pick on the innocent fascists that haven't wronged anyone they just have morals and like their nation or culture. Not to mention they not even fascist.

Fascism believes that violence is not fundamentally wrong, and it is justified for any other cause, so it is a hateful and violent ideology which I reject strongly. And even if you become more reasonable, I don't want to associate with a fascist.

You guys arent even fascist. To the hateful masses of marxists of nationstates anyone to the right of Stalin and Mao is "fascist"

They are not Marxists... I sense that you may be a puppet of La Navarrese, from the way you phrased that.

Violence if necessary is ok but pointless violent isn't supported. Its ok its for things like self defence or protecting your nation. Yes the WA is mostly far left and cultural Marxist. Its also anti civilisation and often anti western. In my opinion there are worse things than violence such as treason and degeneracy

[Routcher]

"The Emperor of Routcher has specifically requested that I ask the Security Council how much longer do we plan to listen to this drivel on the floor? There are innocent regions being raided and in need of help all over the world and we waste time that could be spent helping these people on nonsense, weaponized liberations that go against everything this Assembly is supposed to stand for! La Navasse and his lackies are going on a witchhunt to eliminate political rivals and we are just sitting around letting it happen because 'well he called them fascist and fascism is bad'. Get a hold of yourselves! How much longer are you going to let these people insult your intelligence, and your dignity by pushing this utter GARBAGE unto the voting floor, again and again! Enough, I say, ENOUGH!"

OOC tho: SCUT isn't even remotely fascist, and in fact makes a point to keep it's doors open to any region, regardless of their political stance, if they feel like they can be of benefit to the organization. Please do some research before drafting thank you.

[Swarshengaggen]

"The Emperor of Routcher has specifically requested that I ask the Security Council how much longer do we plan to listen to this drivel on the floor? There are innocent regions being raided and in need of help all over the world and we waste time that could be spent helping these people on nonsense, weaponized liberations that go against everything this Assembly is supposed to stand for! La Navasse and his lackies are going on a witchhunt to eliminate political rivals and we are just sitting around letting it happen because 'well he called them fascist and fascism is bad'. Get a hold of yourselves! How much longer are you going to let these people insult your intelligence, and your dignity by pushing this utter GARBAGE unto the voting floor, again and again! Enough, I say, ENOUGH!"

OOC tho: SCUT isn't even remotely fascist, and in fact makes a point to keep it's doors open to any region, regardless of their political stance, if they feel like they can be of benefit to the organization. Please do some research before drafting thank you.

Please reread the discussion, for I never bluntly claim that SCUT is fascist.

[The City-State of Bastion]

"The Emperor of Routcher has specifically requested that I ask the Security Council how much longer do we plan to listen to this drivel on the floor? There are innocent regions being raided and in need of help all over the world and we waste time that could be spent helping these people on nonsense, weaponized liberations that go against everything this Assembly is supposed to stand for! La Navasse and his lackies are going on a witchhunt to eliminate political rivals and we are just sitting around letting it happen because 'well he called them fascist and fascism is bad'. Get a hold of yourselves! How much longer are you going to let these people insult your intelligence, and your dignity by pushing this utter GARBAGE unto the voting floor, again and again! Enough, I say, ENOUGH!"

OOC tho: SCUT isn't even remotely fascist, and in fact makes a point to keep it's doors open to any region, regardless of their political stance, if they feel like they can be of benefit to the organization. Please do some research before drafting thank you.

Please reread the discussion, for I never bluntly claim that SCUT is fascist.

Whether you claimed it "bluntly" or not, you still made the claim. You admitted it yourself right here.

[La Navasse]

Please reread the discussion, for I never bluntly claim that SCUT is fascist.

Whether you claimed it "bluntly" or not, you still made the claim. You admitted it yourself right here.

However, the current Liberation proposal does not make such a claim, and clearly states that Arcem, the HQ of SCUT, is a fascist sympathizer region that has worked extensively with fascists for its own gain. This is the material going to vote, not the rough draft.

[Get To Earth]

If this even makes it to quorum, it will serve as proof of the ignorance and corruption festering in the WA.

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[New Legland]

Whether you claimed it "bluntly" or not, you still made the claim. You admitted it yourself right here.

However, the current Liberation proposal does not make such a claim, and clearly states that Arcem, the HQ of SCUT, is a fascist sympathizer region that has worked extensively with fascists for its own gain. This is the material going to vote, not the rough draft.

While we may work with fascists, it has nothing to do with their ideology. We're not furthering whatever "fascist agenda" they may have and we certainly have not worked "extensively" with them.

[Morriband]

However, the current Liberation proposal does not make such a claim, and clearly states that Arcem, the HQ of SCUT, is a fascist sympathizer region that has worked extensively with fascists for its own gain. This is the material going to vote, not the rough draft.

While we may work with fascists, it has nothing to do with their ideology. We're not furthering whatever "fascist agenda" they may have and we certainly have not worked "extensively" with them.

And that's assuming that HRB (the only of the three groups you've listed there that actually are aligned with us) are truly fascist.

[Indo-Malaysia]

While we may work with fascists, it has nothing to do with their ideology. We're not furthering whatever "fascist agenda" they may have and we certainly have not worked "extensively" with them.

And that's assuming that HRB (the only of the three groups you've listed there that actually are aligned with us) are truly fascist.

Don't you get it?

Any German history is nazism. It needs to be erased and whitewashed with flowers and rainbows. And lies.

[USS Monitor]

If this even makes it to quorum, it will serve as proof of the ignorance and corruption festering in the WA.

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[La Navasse]

And that's assuming that HRB (the only of the three groups you've listed there that actually are aligned with us) are truly fascist.

Don't you get it?

Any German history is nazism. It needs to be erased and whitewashed with flowers and rainbows. And lies.

Saying that any German history is Nazism is blatantly untrue, and there have been no mentions of Nazism in the proposal.

On the contrary, I must say that Katie Rybeck, also known as Katie or Lios, was most definitely judged for her history in the fascist region The Holy Reich of Bunicken in the various GCRs that she joined. THRB is most definitely considered to be fascist.

[Morriband]

Don't you get it?

Any German history is nazism. It needs to be erased and whitewashed with flowers and rainbows. And lies.

Saying that any German history is Nazism is blatantly untrue, and there have been no mentions of Nazism in the proposal.

On the contrary, I must say that Katie Rybeck, also known as Katie or Lios, was most definitely judged for her history in the fascist region The Holy Reich of Bunicken in the various GCRs that she joined. THRB is most definitely considered to be fascist.

1) Learn when to spot sarcasm.
2) Just because the HRB is *considered* fascist doesn't mean that they are. A truly fascist region would not officially disavow fascism. Calling something fascist doesn't make it so.
3) I would like to direct you to this video, since you're not listening to it from us.

Hope this helps

[Rafterland]

"I think that the challenged region made all of this quite clear, very well done."