[Shelved] Liberate Arcem (SCUT)

[La Navasse]

A Message For the Delegates Concerning the Third Submission:
The proposal ended with 102 Approvals, only 4 below quorum. This clearly demonstrates strong support for this proposal from all Delegates, even though there were 3 countercampaigns sent out. This does not mean, however, that the proposal will not be resubmitted - it will be later next week.

Thank you, Delegates, for your strong and continued support. I promise that as soon as this proposal finally reaches quorum, we will be able to push through this Liberation and bring justice to SCUT.

The current order of proposals is intended to be:

• Liberate Nazi Europa - PASSED, now SC Resolution #246
• Liberate Femdom Empire - PASSED, now SC Resolution #248
• Liberate Arcem (SCUT)
• Liberate USSD [Interchangeable]
• [Planned] Liberate The Iron Order AND Liberate Farkasfalka [Interchangeable]
• [Planned] Liberate The Holy Reich of Bunicken
• Repeal "Liberate The Communal Confederacy" | Whenever It's Ready

This proposal primarily deals with the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, which is essentially the only long-lasting interregional organization of NS borderline-fascists and far-right that has existed for quite some time. As their original region SCUT has been refounded by The MT Army, and The SCUT has been refounded by yours truly, They have been based in the region Arcem for some time, and though Exoplanet One is their capital, I would consider Arcem to be their main region. I would consider the successful Liberation of this organization to be the ultimate crackdown on small borderline-fascist and far-right regions on NationStates, especially with SCUT's multiple member regions.

To the Delegates:
Though there have been consistent and unruly counterarguments against this Liberation, I must voice that this resolution is necessary to pass. SCUT will not stop attempting to disprove whatever they think they can get an audience on by phony evidence, botched explanations, and despicable ignorance of the resolution's strongest points. What is happening here is the warping of the truth, and I trust that you will reach the best conclusion that in regarding nothing but the truth, SCUT is simply another KAISERREICH, only that they're acting as fascist sympathizers and are struggling to keep their disdain of truth alive. This must be combated by this landmark resolution that will deem fascist sympathizers vulnerable until the end, a resolution that will show that the SC stands for nothing but decency, the end of hatred, and the end of those supporting hatred.

I will likely be turning out Liberate The Iron Order soon after this, as SCUT and TIO appear to be competitors for power in the fascist world, with Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH overlooking.

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Liberate Arcem
Proposed By: La Navasse

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The Security Council,

Understanding that Arcem is the principal and administrative region of the interregional organization of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, also known as SCUT;

Aggravated at the SCUT Chancellor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their authoritarian nature by referencing a powerless Congress, where each region's number of Senators is selected by the Chancellor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater German Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater German Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and deceit to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist sympathies, especially considering their coercion of the region Force into disbanding their military;

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future authoritarian and fascist regions from further practicing their ideology;

Hereby Liberates Arcem, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.

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Liberate Arcem
Proposed By: La Navasse

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The Security Council,

Understanding that Arcem is the principal and administrative region of the interregional organization of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, also known as SCUT

Aggravated at the SCUT Chancellor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Congress, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Chancellor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater German Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater German Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and deceit to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

Hereby Liberates Arcem, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.

All underlined treaties can be seen here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... cut_region I have copied all of them to ensure that they are unchanged by SCUT if this comes to their attention. This draft has been submitted, as Liberate Femdom Empire nears the voting floor.

Questions, comments, and concerns are welcome.

[The Atlae Isles]

Actually, the region SCUT was originally founded by a puppet from TIO; if you look on their regional history page, TIO and "SCUT" had embassies for a time.

[La Navasse]

Actually, the region SCUT was originally founded by a puppet from TIO; if you look on their regional history page, TIO and "SCUT" had embassies for a time.

I do not believe that this changes the fact of SCUT's fascist nature. TIO had founded SCUT after the original founder of SCUT CTEd, as TIO and SCUT are essentially trying to grasp the most influence in fascist NS.

[New Legland]

This proposal primarily deals with the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, which is essentially the only long-lasting interregional organization of the NS fascists and far-right that has existed for quite some time. As their original region SCUT has been refounded by The MT Army, and The SCUT has been refounded by yours truly, they have been based in the region Arcem for some time. I would consider the successful Liberation of this organization to be the ultimate crackdown on small fascist and far-right regions on NationStates, especially as SCUT has a number of member regions who are part of it.

I will likely be turning out Liberate The Iron Order soon after this, as SCUT and TIO appear to be competitors for power in the fascist world, with Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH overlooking.

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Liberate Arcem
Proposed By: La Navasse

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The Security Council,

Understanding that Arcem is the principal and administrative region of the interregional organization of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, also known as SCUT,

Aggravated at the SCUT Emperor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Senate, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Emperor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich and Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and decievement to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

Hereby Liberates Arcem, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.

All underlined treaties can be seen here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... cut_region I have copied all of them to ensure that they are unchanged by SCUT if this comes to their attention.

Questions, comments, and concerns are welcome.

So many things wrong with this...

1. SCUT and The SCUT were never a part of the SCUT. Stop trying to act like a hero when you don't even know what you're talking about.

2. The SCUT is politically neutral, whether you like it or not. There is nothing fascist about it.

3. "If we were Fascists, we wouldn't have a democratically elected congress." This is from the SCUT Manifesto, nowhere does it say that the Congress is appointed by the Chancellor or describe the power of the Congress. Representatives in the Congress are democratically elected by members of their respective regions every six months, and it is in no way powerless.

4. "Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies" Uhhh, no. None of our holdings were acquired with the help of the FGGR or Bunicken. The vast majority of them were taken due to war, and for the few that weren't, as regrettable it is to me, the truth is that those regions had virtually no activity by the time we arrived.

5. Our treaties with The Iron Order were treaties to keep the peace after each conflict between us and them had ended. As you may imagine, we don't like war, and these treaties certainly do not signify any alliance between us.

6. Pigsty Steppes is not fascist in the least. The only possibly offending embassy they have is Union of Nationalists, and that's a bit of a stretch. Two of their tags are LGBT and Egalitarian, for God's sake.

7. I looked back at the WFE of The Anti Slavikian Alliance during the time slot you provided to see what influence SCUT could have had, and the WFE turned out to be this:
This region has been raided by [region=The Third Hegemony]. May our foes tremble at our approach. Stone and Steel!
The only other raid close to that was one performed by The Communist Bloc.

8. Again, SCUT is not fascist. "Don't accuse us of being "Nazi collaborators" because you see a region on one of our embassy lists that you find offensive." Straight from the Manifesto. Just because certain member regions have embassies with "offensive" ones or we have alliances with "offensive" regions does not mean we share their ideology. We'd be just as willing to work with a communist region or alliance.

[Morriband]

If you look at every single "peace treaty" we created with The Iron Order, it was done so as a post-war surrender on their part. We can't take their region as a trophy, so we humiliate them with surrender documents akin to the Treaty of Versailles. To say that these treaties, which openly acknowledge the fact that we got them to surrender, are equatable to an alliance is absurd.

[Morriband]

Actually, the region SCUT was originally founded by a puppet from TIO; if you look on their regional history page, TIO and "SCUT" had embassies for a time.

I do not believe that this changes the fact of SCUT's fascist nature. TIO had founded SCUT after the original founder of SCUT CTEd, as TIO and SCUT are essentially trying to grasp the most influence in fascist NS.

That's not true. We never had a capital region in our name. From our founding, up until about the end of September, we used Arcem as our capital. Now our capitol is here (As of September 24, 2017).

[Morriband]

This proposal primarily deals with the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, which is essentially the only long-lasting interregional organization of the NS fascists and far-right that has existed for quite some time. As their original region SCUT has been refounded by The MT Army, and The SCUT has been refounded by yours truly, they have been based in the region Arcem for some time. I would consider the successful Liberation of this organization to be the ultimate crackdown on small fascist and far-right regions on NationStates, especially as SCUT has a number of member regions who are part of it.

I will likely be turning out Liberate The Iron Order soon after this, as SCUT and TIO appear to be competitors for power in the fascist world, with Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH overlooking.

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Liberate Arcem
Proposed By: La Navasse

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The Security Council,

Understanding that Arcem is the principal and administrative region of the interregional organization of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, also known as SCUT,

Aggravated at the SCUT Emperor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Senate, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Emperor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich and Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and decievement to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

Hereby Liberates Arcem, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.

All underlined treaties can be seen here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... cut_region I have copied all of them to ensure that they are unchanged by SCUT if this comes to their attention.

Questions, comments, and concerns are welcome.

As previously stated, there are so many things wrong here. Let's go down the list:
- I previously addressed the capitol issue in another post.
- I'm not an "Emperor" I'm a Chancellor. I know that may trigger you, but calm down because it's a Star Wars reference (as in the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, which is what our RP is based on)
- As far as a "powerless senate" that's false. Go ahead and take a look at Article II of our Constitution. Just about every big thing we do gets put to a vote. That includes going to war, making alliances, and internal changes.
- Yes, those regions are trophies. But the FGGR and HRB did NOTHING to help us get those. Honestly our military is stronger than both of theirs.
- As for our relationships with the FGGR and HRB here's the truth:
-- We have a de jure treaty with the FGGR but in practice we don't have any relationship with them as we have not had contact in months. We have no ambassadors (at least none that are authorized). That is why they're not listed as an affiliate.
-- We do have an alliance with the HRB, though it's largely diplomatic. They essentially act as observers.
- Onto the fun part - The Iron Order. These treaties you're referencing, as I said before, are meant to humiliate TIO in a "Treaty of Versailles" fashion. They claim invincibility and supremacy, but we keep them as reminders that they have been defeated every time they engaged us.

Screenshots of a Conversation I had with Queen Yuno about this:

Here are the screenshots within the first screenshot: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404798244716019724/404860671067422721/MT_Army_BS_1.png?width=1442&height=670https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404798244716019724/404860673437204480/MT_Army_BS_2.png?width=1442&height=670 So you see, we were at one point aligned in a multilateral treaty with Kaiserreich. That proved to be a mistake, however, and by the time we voted to withdraw our alliance with the Yukki organization, it had been dissolved.

- Finally we get to the real reason why this is here. First off, this was never a verified SCUT operation so don't blame us for it. I never authorized it. Second, you're showing your petty nature because you're trying to get us labeled as "big scary fascists" so that we can get "liberated" by the WA and you can have revenge. Besides, Porcinea hasn't been active in the discord (which is where we conduct about 90% of our affairs) for a while.
- There's honestly not much I can say about our Manifesto. It's literally a FAQ guide for who we are, hence the title. To say that we're not exactly what we say we are - when you have had a total of an hour to interact with us, and the word of a disgruntled ex-member to go off of - you're not exactly getting the clearest picture.
- "Liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology" So we're Nazis now? Nazis? Godwin's Law, everyone.

Nice work, pal. You're basically false-flagging us because you're being petty and vindictive because someone in our ranks led an unauthorized mission - which, by the way, you didn't bring to my attention until months after the fact. Just so that everyone can see we have nothing to hide and what I said is all true, I invite everyone who reads this to our discord. You can use this link, it's set to not expire: https://discord.gg/QujCAmw. If you have any questions, comments, concerns, etc., DM me on discord or send me a telegram. I'm honestly getting sick of having to prove to everyone that we're not Nazis/Fascists just because we talk to people on all sides. People need to realize the world isn't all black and white.

-Morriband

[Kyssers]

Aggravated at the SCUT Emperor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Senate, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Emperor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

There's so much wrong with this it's funny.
1. It's not called the Senate, rather the congress.
2. There is no "Emperor." Nowhere in the SCUT Manifesto will you see an "Emperor" strictly outlined.
4. The SCUT Manifesto is outdated, thereby making it an invalid source to cite in a WA proposal.
5. Nowhere in the SCUT Manifesto does it say the Congress is appointed. Ask anyone, you'll see we have elections for congress, and checks and balances all throughout the SCUT system.

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich and Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Saying we're fascist because of this because we have alliances with fascists is like saying during WWII the US was communist and fascist because it allied with the USSR. Also, the "Holy Reich and Bunicken" doesn't exist.

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Right, the enemy surrendering multiple times, then them breaking the treaty, causing us to make more treaties = working with The Iron Order.

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and decievement to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

You can't say anything about our "true fascist nature." Even those who have left SCUT will tell you that SCUT is a federal republican union of regions. Until join us, you have no right to comment on the inner workings of SCUT.

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

Ok, real piece of advice here, nowhere in the resolution does it address the "Nazi" aspect of the Commonwealth, which by the way, it does not have. If you accuse Bunicken of being "Nazi", read here. We have a JEWISH FOUNDED SCUT REGION for GOD'S SAKE.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.[/box]

Vacatio Libertas, you're a real babe, you know that?

If you're going to "Liberate Arcem", at least base it on fact.

[Divitalia]

*sigh*

Okay, maybe you all support these types of proposals, I can respect that. But seriously, all we’ve been doing as of late is Liberate Fascists.

[La Navasse]

*sigh*

Okay, maybe you all support these types of proposals, I can respect that. But seriously, all we’ve been doing as of late is Liberate Fascists.

Liberating fascists is indisputable, I believe.

Some edits have been made.

Though SCUT may have never been in the ownership of Morriband, it can be said with personal experience that Morriband repeatedly asked for ownership of the region with the leader of The MT Army, who denied.

[New Legland]

This proposal primarily deals with the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, which is essentially the only long-lasting interregional organization of the NS fascists and far-right that has existed for quite some time. As their original region SCUT has been refounded by The MT Army

SCUT and TIO appear to be competitors for power in the fascist world

This is so inaccurate it's laughable

[Morriband]

*sigh*

Okay, maybe you all support these types of proposals, I can respect that. But seriously, all we’ve been doing as of late is Liberate Fascists.

Liberating fascists is indisputable, I believe.

Some edits have been made.

Though SCUT may have never been in the ownership of Morriband, it can be said with personal experience that Morriband repeatedly asked for ownership of the region with the leader of The MT Army, who denied.

You, then, should be the first to be liberated, having collaborated with the only non-disputable major Nazi group on NS - Nazi Europa.

The True Nazi Collaborator
La Navasse - whether your account is true or not, the constant is that you collaborated with Nazi Europa for your own gain and had no issue doing it. Now that you have a gripe with SCUT, you're trying to label us as fascists to get some form of petty revenge.

[Lenlyvit]

Just Don't mind me, have some critiques. La Nav, you have the link to FGGR wrong. Its not Federation of Greater Germanic Republics, its Federation of Greater German Republics. Also, in the last year I've been on NS I've never heard FGGR referenced as Fascist, I believe rather that they are Imperialist/Monarchist. Can you supply evidence of them being Fascists, please? And another thing, I've also never heard SCUT being called Fascist. While I do not like SCUT, or most of the regions/nations in it, I thought they were expansionist. I get the Bunicken part, because I've heard them referenced as Fascist.

P.S. your second link to Bunicken is wrong too. And I don't see peace treaties as working with fascists :/. As it stands, I'm up in the air about the validity of this proposal.

[Langor Empire]

Interesting to say the least.

Aggravated at the SCUT Chancellor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Congress, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Chancellor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

'Fascist' or authoritarian? If authoritarianism is the issue then what we're seeing here is essentially a form of interventionism and ideological crusading, not something to support or be proud of.

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Relations between Kaiserreich and Bunicken are complex in nature, last time I remember hearing about them was a crisis over the rise of a KR defector to a position of power in HRB; calling HRB and 'ally' of Kaiserreich appears to be an overstatement from an outsider's perspective.

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

I see no reason why a foreign entity, be it the WA, the East Pacific, the defender community, the anti-fascist movement or krn La Navasse himself, can claim the right to dictate which regions a sovereign power can and cannot ally with, especially when there is no clear reason for that other than ideological reasons which are inherently subjective.

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Flawed logic. The treaties indicate the SCUT's willingness to make peace and end wars, not 'work freely' with fascists, moreover, the fact it is a peace treaty demonstrates that a state of conflict exists between the fascist TIO and the SCUT, whose 'fascist' affiliation is pure speculation by the author of the resolution, and furthermore that the conflict continues despite said treaties.

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

'Fascist sympathizer' is yet another propaganda cliche utilized by certain circles within the NS community to antagonize regions they dislike. Even if we were to assume that Pigsty Steppes does indeed somehow sympathize with fascists, which they do not seem to do, seeing as their very WFE says they intend to exclude 'hate groups and sex offenders', which automatically includes fascism, the 'distress' expressed in the resolution is at an invasion, which is unverified as the Taijitu WFE index clearly shows no mention of SCUT, Pigsty Steppes, or any other affiliated regions; moreover I find it strange to accuse a region or organization of fascism simply because it invaded someone.

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and deceit to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

Organizations are free to advertise themselves as they please within the NS guidelines. There is no 'true fascist nature', and the accusation is based on a factually incorrect belief.

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

And begin an era of liberal tyranny, yes. Resolutions of this sort only further worsen the situation, as true fascists will only be convinced further that their beliefs are correct, not to mention that I see little difference between the 'fascist movement' and their opponents from their practical point of view; are not all fanatics the same?

Yet another weaponized liberation. Constant war mongering of this sort disrupts the functioning of the interregional community and leads to further conflict, and therefore needs to end. Naturally, the Conventium will oppose this and all future attempts by crusaders of all kinds to undermine interregional stability and militarize the world.

[Algermaine]

As a SCUT defector on moral standards, I will debunk most of these points.

Aggravated at the SCUT Emperor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Senate, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Emperor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

There's so much wrong with this it's funny.
1. It's not called the Senate, rather the congress.
2. There is no "Emperor." Nowhere in the SCUT Manifesto will you see an "Emperor" strictly outlined.
4. The SCUT Manifesto is outdated, thereby making it an invalid source to cite in a WA proposal.
5. Nowhere in the SCUT Manifesto does it say the Congress is appointed. Ask anyone, you'll see we have elections for congress, and checks and balances all throughout the SCUT system.

1. A senate is a group of equally proportioned representatives; because the 'congress' is still functioning under a regiment of representatives for every region due to the slow transition from the 'Empire' to the 'Republic', it is technically a senate. Moving the goal posts, nonetheless.
2. Which makes it even more concerning when, up until February, the leader of SCUT was given executive authority over all other elected offices under the reasoning of supervision; In reality, as I can attest to from experience and conversation with Morriband, he manages them almost all by himself. Keep in mind, his 'chancellory', nor the obsolete and incriminating title of 'emperor', is still not elected.
3. You skipped 3.
4. Speaking legally, there is no meaningful distinction when the Chancellory is held by the same person, with the same powers, and for the same purpose. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is undoubtedly a duck. This is moving the goal posts in a counter-intuitive manner.
5. I for one, have never seen an election take place. Ever. Even as I have observed from outside of the region, there has been no congressional change once-so-ever. And, as I touched on with 2, the Emperor is not elected, but presides over every single branch in case of an emergency, despite it being a multi-regional union (All dictatorships start with excessive emergency powers). There are no checks and balances if the power is vertical. However, while I will acknowledge that greater autonomy has been given to cabinet members (who I also have seen remain in office just as long as the emperor), the entire system is largely a skeleton administration. Approximately 7-10 people decide the entire organization's policy every day.

Source: I am (or rather was) the Social Media Division Director for SCUT, and former Spy and Foreign Agent for SCUT. They will obviously deny what I say on the basis that I eventually turned over information I thought was right to, and maybe even try to take the moral high-ground. They, naturally, have been accusing me of being a fascist myself by associating me with my false-flag operation in Break The Traitors, Protect Our Pride, where I used a newspaper as an independent spy in TIO to draw attention to the region and make it into a joke, more or less. But if they are to silence me through saying I was a "propagandist", why is it that they are so eager to draw away from how I was practically handed the authorship The Commonwealth Times'?

[Algermaine]

I'd also like to point out that I, though I do vehemently disagree with SCUT's continued existence, it is not necessarily fascist, but it certainly does not free it up from all other charges levied against it. It (sometimes more so than others), has been involved and conducted shady affairs in the past and may very well be continuing them. Accountability must be held to some degree.

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Liberating fascists is indisputable, I believe.

Some edits have been made.

Though SCUT may have never been in the ownership of Morriband, it can be said with personal experience that Morriband repeatedly asked for ownership of the region with the leader of The MT Army, who denied.

You, then, should be the first to be liberated, having collaborated with the only non-disputable major Nazi group on NS - Nazi Europa.

The True Nazi Collaborator
La Navasse - whether your account is true or not, the constant is that you collaborated with Nazi Europa for your own gain and had no issue doing it. Now that you have a gripe with SCUT, you're trying to label us as fascists to get some form of petty revenge.

Discrediting the opposition is a notorious propaganda tactic. Whataboutism does not further any conversation, it only excuses the thing we were discussing, Nazi Sympathies. Furthermore, it is more than clear that you, (I'm not going to point out the mainstream SCUT brigade of your cabinet members you brought in to bring in your narrative by force rather than leave it to an open, honest discussion, but I am just saying I see a lot of familiar faces), are distorting the facts of any sort of relationship between Nazi Europa, just as you claim La Navasse is doing to you. This dispatch almost seems like something TIO Propaganda Minister BS would have written in the War of the Words. You are better than this.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You really do want to get your proposal count up, don't you?

[Algermaine]

You really do want to get your proposal count up, don't you?

I would upvote this so fast, if I could.

There should be something a cool down on these sorts of things, right? I do admire how many of these hit the floor near immediately, but there is a point where we reach an excess.

[Renegalle]

The naivety in the drafting of this resolution is astonishing.

I represent the region Force, a former member of the SCUT (Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories). More information about them can be found here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=780957

Now...

The SCUT lacks all elements of nazism, fascism, and the likes. This is a ridiculous proposal, completely based upon rumour and not at all upon fact. If you've looked into the history of the SCUT and The Iron Order; you'll notice that not only have numerous wars been fought between them, but much of the publications by these two were targeting each other's ideology. As a former member of the SCUT and high ranking officer, I saw what happened day to day. Virtually every major action within the organization was brought to vote before the Commonwealth Congress. The more minor decisions would see the Chancellor ask his Cabinet for advice.

On the topic of having an embassy with TIO; an embassy simply means that two regions are willing to be diplomatic. It doesn't denote any sort of alliance and is simply for diplomacy. If embassies were for this, then one could say that the democratic government of The North Pacific supported the monarchist government of Lazarus which isn't the case.

The various treaties between the two organizations have been for the purpose of ending war and hostility between each other, but have nothing to do with cooperation. If you have ever taken the slightest inquiry into the SCUT's Constitution, you would see that their government was created on the sole base of democracy.

What can be found from this is that La Navasse clearly hasn't done their research.

[Viscondy]

This proposal primarily deals with the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, which is essentially the only long-lasting interregional organization of the NS fascists and far-right that has existed for quite some time. As their original region SCUT has been refounded by The MT Army, and The SCUT has been refounded by yours truly, they have been based in the region Arcem for some time. I would consider the successful Liberation of this organization to be the ultimate crackdown on small fascist and far-right regions on NationStates, especially as SCUT has a number of member regions who are part of it.

I will likely be turning out Liberate The Iron Order soon after this, as SCUT and TIO appear to be competitors for power in the fascist world, with Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH overlooking.

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Liberate Arcem
Proposed By: La Navasse

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The Security Council,

Understanding that Arcem is the principal and administrative region of the interregional organization of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, also known as SCUT,

Aggravated at the SCUT Chancellor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Congress, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Chancellor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and deceit to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

Hereby Liberates Arcem, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.

All underlined treaties can be seen here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... cut_region I have copied all of them to ensure that they are unchanged by SCUT if this comes to their attention.

Questions, comments, and concerns are welcome.

While much has already been said, I wish to mention that a fascist organisation would in fact have no reason to attract non-fascists into their ranks, considering that the true nature of the members and structure of the organisation would soon become apparent.

The congress has objective power over all areas of policy and the representatives are not appointed by the emperor (The Chancellor again since January) at any level. SCUT has high-ranking members from across the political spectrum, and if you must have a concrete example I can refer to my political debate posts in some other uninvolved region to affirm that the Vice-Chancellor is not an authoritarian.

[Tigslarlowducken]

This proposal primarily deals with the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, which is essentially the only long-lasting interregional organization of the NS fascists and far-right that has existed for quite some time. As their original region SCUT has been refounded by The MT Army, and The SCUT has been refounded by yours truly, they have been based in the region Arcem for some time. I would consider the successful Liberation of this organization to be the ultimate crackdown on small fascist and far-right regions on NationStates, especially as SCUT has a number of member regions who are part of it.

I will likely be turning out Liberate The Iron Order soon after this, as SCUT and TIO appear to be competitors for power in the fascist world, with Nazi Europa and KAISERREICH overlooking.

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Liberate Arcem
Proposed By: La Navasse

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The Security Council,

Understanding that Arcem is the principal and administrative region of the interregional organization of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories, also known as SCUT,

Aggravated at the SCUT Chancellor Morriband’s miserable attempt at disproving their fascist nature by referencing a powerless Congress, whose Senators are de facto appointed by the Chancellor, in their SCUT Manifesto;

Disturbed by the SCUT’s numerous Holding and Outpost regions, essentially trophy regions, which it possesses with the help of fascist regions, most notably Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, both of which are KAISERREICH allies;

Disgusted by the SCUT’s formal treaties with the fascist regions Federation of Greater Germanic Republics and The Holy Reich of Bunicken, namely Treaty of Alliance: FGGR & SCUT and Treaty of Alliance: HRB & SCUT, respectively;

Horrified by the SCUT’s negotiations to create not one, not two, but three peace treaties with The Iron Order, a notorious fascist region, which are Peace Treaty Between The SCUT & The Iron Order, SCUT & TIO Post-Nuclear Peace Treaty, and Capitulation of The Iron Order, which indicate their willingness to freely work with fascists;

Distressed at an invasion by the SCUT, led by member region & fascist sympathizer Pigsty Steppes, of The Anti Slavikian Alliance from late October 2017 to early December 2017, whose repurposing by SCUT was only averted by the turncoat Anderite/Vacatio Libertas;

Denouncing the SCUT’s claim that it is a “federal republican union of regions” in their SCUT Manifesto as trickery and deceit to gain more members and to conceal their true fascist nature;

Believing that liberating Arcem will serve as a warning to current and future fascist and Nazi regions from further practicing their ideology;

Hereby Liberates Arcem, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commonwealth of United Territories.

Co-Authored with Vacatio Libertas.

All underlined treaties can be seen here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... cut_region I have copied all of them to ensure that they are unchanged by SCUT if this comes to their attention.

Questions, comments, and concerns are welcome.

SCUT is not, and never has been, fascist.

[La Navasse]

Although the opposition to this proposal may be outspoken, readers of this conversation should not be misinformed by those from SCUT or SCUT-related regions, and should seek out information from entirely unbiased sources, of which the dispatches preserved under the nation SCUT Region would help.

Additionally, though the battle between SCUT and its many enemies may be portrayed as an ideological battle, this does not exempt SCUT itself from being fascist, especially considering the system of governance and actions that the organization has done. I leave the final opinion to the reader to decide.

Just Don't mind me, have some critiques. La Nav, you have the link to FGGR wrong. Its not Federation of Greater Germanic Republics, its Federation of Greater German Republics. Also, in the last year I've been on NS I've never heard FGGR referenced as Fascist, I believe rather that they are Imperialist/Monarchist. Can you supply evidence of them being Fascists, please? And another thing, I've also never heard SCUT being called Fascist. While I do not like SCUT, or most of the regions/nations in it, I thought they were expansionist. I get the Bunicken part, because I've heard them referenced as Fascist.

P.S. your second link to Bunicken is wrong too. And I don't see peace treaties as working with fascists :/. As it stands, I'm up in the air about the validity of this proposal.

FGGR actively supported and fought against CAIN during the conflict regarding Femdom Empire - this resolution would likely be based on the precedent that Liberate Femdom would set on FGGR being fascist. Additionally, having peace treaties with fascists implies, at the very least, fascist sympathy. It is more likely based on previous evidence that the SCUT is comprised of full-blown fascists, whether they call themselves so or not.

[New Legland]

Although the opposition to this proposal may be outspoken, readers of this conversation should not be misinformed by those from SCUT or SCUT-related regions, and should seek out information from entirely unbiased sources, of which the dispatches preserved under the nation SCUT Region would help.

Additionally, though the battle between SCUT and its many enemies may be portrayed as an ideological battle, this does not exempt SCUT itself from being fascist, especially considering the system of governance and actions that the organization has done. I leave the final opinion to the reader to decide.

Just Don't mind me, have some critiques. La Nav, you have the link to FGGR wrong. Its not Federation of Greater Germanic Republics, its Federation of Greater German Republics. Also, in the last year I've been on NS I've never heard FGGR referenced as Fascist, I believe rather that they are Imperialist/Monarchist. Can you supply evidence of them being Fascists, please? And another thing, I've also never heard SCUT being called Fascist. While I do not like SCUT, or most of the regions/nations in it, I thought they were expansionist. I get the Bunicken part, because I've heard them referenced as Fascist.

P.S. your second link to Bunicken is wrong too. And I don't see peace treaties as working with fascists :/. As it stands, I'm up in the air about the validity of this proposal.

FGGR actively supported and fought against CAIN during the conflict regarding Femdom Empire - this resolution would likely be based on the precedent that Liberate Femdom would set on FGGR being fascist. Additionally, having peace treaties with fascists implies, at the very least, fascist sympathy. It is more likely based on previous evidence that the SCUT is comprised of full-blown fascists, whether they call themselves so or not.

So, if we have peace treaties with fascist regions, we're automatically fascist? This is the sort of half-assed logic I see in extremists like The Red Fleet.

Also, pointing out incorrect information in this rush-job is not bias. I'd rather get information from SCUT members or SCUT-related regions than information from someone who obviously doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Morriband]

Although the opposition to this proposal may be outspoken, readers of this conversation should not be misinformed by those from SCUT or SCUT-related regions, and should seek out information from entirely unbiased sources, of which the dispatches preserved under the nation SCUT Region would help.

Additionally, though the battle between SCUT and its many enemies may be portrayed as an ideological battle, this does not exempt SCUT itself from being fascist, especially considering the system of governance and actions that the organization has done. I leave the final opinion to the reader to decide.

Just Don't mind me, have some critiques. La Nav, you have the link to FGGR wrong. Its not Federation of Greater Germanic Republics, its Federation of Greater German Republics. Also, in the last year I've been on NS I've never heard FGGR referenced as Fascist, I believe rather that they are Imperialist/Monarchist. Can you supply evidence of them being Fascists, please? And another thing, I've also never heard SCUT being called Fascist. While I do not like SCUT, or most of the regions/nations in it, I thought they were expansionist. I get the Bunicken part, because I've heard them referenced as Fascist.

P.S. your second link to Bunicken is wrong too. And I don't see peace treaties as working with fascists :/. As it stands, I'm up in the air about the validity of this proposal.

FGGR actively supported and fought against CAIN during the conflict regarding Femdom Empire - this resolution would likely be based on the precedent that Liberate Femdom would set on FGGR being fascist. Additionally, having peace treaties with fascists implies, at the very least, fascist sympathy. It is more likely based on previous evidence that the SCUT is comprised of full-blown fascists, whether they call themselves so or not.

You realize that you are basically the only one here that agrees with this draft, right? It doesn't matter what FGGR did, in all ways but that dispatch, we've severed ties with them - as I said before, they have not been in contact with us for months. They don't even have a presence on our discord server. As for your point on the peace treaties implying "fascist sympathy", you're showing that you're grasping at straws now. A surrender document that humiliates The Iron Order and breaks the ego bubbles of Hispanyo and his followers is in no way a sign of fascist sympathy. By your logic, The Soviets, Americans, British, & French are all Nazi Sympathizers because they accepted the Third Reich's Surrender.

You've become a McCarthyist.

[La Navasse]

The peace treaty is the only counterargument you appear to have, and NS is not the RL - we wage eternal war against fascists on NS. However, I will consider changing that.

I can say that Vacatio Libertas has served as a valuable insider source of SCUT since he left, and allows me the authentic primary sources for my proposal.