[ON HOLD] Repeal "Liberate KAISERREICH"

[USS Monitor]

Except it's not.
KReich? Closeted Nazis.
Nazi Europa? Nazis...obviously.
Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

You cannot point to a single offensive liberation que that's used to target a non-Nazi region, because none exist.
So I'm telling you that you don't have to worry about offensive liberations being used to bully regions. I guarantee you that no attempt at liberating Pro Life, Catholic, or any other conservative region will gain support in quorum because this isn't about bullying anyone. It's about standing up to Nazism. And you, as someone who claimed he despised Nazis, should at least appreciate that.

And you know what? I'll go a step further. I will personally apologize to you and tell you that you were right if these offensive liberations are successfully used to bully conservative regions.

We're talking about the future, not the present you dense feederite.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Hemuraile]

Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

"Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis."
So, they are therefore Nazis? That doesn't make sense. Just because you are allied/defending/cooperating with someone doesn't mean you are that someone.

[wern]Warned for flaming[/wern]

Eek.

[Prydania]

We're talking about the future, not the present you dense feederite.

I've played this game long enough to know that if your argument is lacking if you have to use hypothetical "the sky is falling" predictions to make your point.

Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

"Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis."
So, they are therefore Nazis? That doesn't make sense. Just because you are allied/defending/cooperating with someone doesn't mean you are that someone.

They essentially became a Nazi outpost. Don't know what else to tell you.

Regardless, I'm not interested in your slippery slope arguments. I disagree with Forestavia vehemently but at least his argument is internally sound. It's steeped in principle that's consistent across the board.

All of this hand-wringing over something that might happen (with no signs that it will happen) is silly. No one's going to get an offensive liberation aimed at some conservative region that's not bothering anyone through quorum. Much less get it to pass a vote. So calm down and realize this is aimed at Nazis.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

You cannot point to a single offensive liberation que that's used to target a non-Nazi region, because none exist.

[Prydania]

Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

You cannot point to a single offensive liberation que that's used to target a non-Nazi region, because none exist.

You keep insisting Femdom Empire isn't a Nazi region. It very much is

[Central Asian Republics]

Look Central Asian Republics. “It’s just jokes!” doesn’t work when you’re laughing at the industrialized murder of millions of people. At that point you’re not making a joke. You’re just exposing yourself as an unpleasant human being.

Our ambassador has made no such statements regarding the Jews, it is ill-advised to slander an ambassador in a Security Council debate.

[Central Asian Republics]

You keep insisting Femdom Empire isn't a Nazi region. It very much is

Nazis don't tend to be female supremacists, how many twists and turns in your logic did it take for you to reach that baffling conclusion?

[The Australian Federal Republic]

You keep insisting Femdom Empire isn't a Nazi region. It very much is

Nazis don't tend to be female supremacists, how many twists and turns in your logic did it take for you to reach that baffling conclusion?

The conclusion for Femdom Empire being a Nazi region is that:
a) They allied with Nazi Europa among other Nazi regions.
b) They openly invited Nazi Europa to effectively annex the region.
c) Femdom Empire is presently an outpost for Nazi Europa, with it's natives moving onto Femdom State. Femdom State remains allied to Nazi Europa, and routinely performs military operations along side them.
I'm not saying whether this conclusion is correct, however they are clearly sympathetic to their cause.

[Blood Wine]

Don't bother.

It won't pass lol.

_{Thanks Timmy.}

Take the advice of two veterans

[Hemuraile]

_{Thanks Timmy.}

Take the advice of two veterans

It‘s worth a try.

[South Acren]

Total support

I doubt that KAISERREICH even used hate speech

[Cedoria]

The precedent that Nazis are bad and Nazi regions can be subject to action? I'm fine with that.

Again you show you have no idea what precedent is. That's fine. When the people of the world get tired of your witch-hunts and the pendulum swings the other way, you'll get it. Maybe.

That day won't ever come.

[Cedoria]

I said it was ONE kind of Communism

Stopped reading. All communism is communism.

I can tell you stopped reading. That was obvious from the drivel being typed. That does not mean you are right. The fact you persist in this line of thought when it's demonstrably wrong confirms my suspicion that you weren't interested in engaging in the first place. So why did you waste my time with telegrams begging me to debate you?

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

Stopped reading. All communism is communism.

I can tell you stopped reading. That was obvious from the drivel being typed. That does not mean you are right. The fact you persist in this line of thought when it's demonstrably wrong confirms my suspicion that you weren't interested in engaging in the first place. So why did you waste my time with telegrams begging me to debate you?

The phrase "demonstrably wrong" means that something has been demonstrated to be wrong. Regarding the "that wasn't real communism" argument, the exact opposite is true. All evidence points to the fact that communism has the same outcomes, namely: totalitarianism, abuse of human rights, mass slaughter, the attempted destruction of objective truth in legislature, and economic devastation. I don't recall "begging" you at all. I didn't intend to waste your time, precious as though it may be, but having allegedly done so I can't say that I care.

That being said, it was inevitable that engaging in dialogue with you would indeed be a waste of time for anyone. You'll just parrot your "that wasn't real communism" argument, and make up some absolute nonsense about some utopian communist ideal you've dreamed up in your subjective worldview because you've cut yourself off from objective reality like any true Marxist.

[Cedoria]

I can tell you stopped reading. That was obvious from the drivel being typed. That does not mean you are right. The fact you persist in this line of thought when it's demonstrably wrong confirms my suspicion that you weren't interested in engaging in the first place. So why did you waste my time with telegrams begging me to debate you?

The phrase "demonstrably wrong" means that something has been demonstrated to be wrong. Regarding the "that wasn't real communism" argument, the exact opposite is true. All evidence points to the fact that communism has the same outcomes, namely: totalitarianism, abuse of human rights, mass slaughter, the attempted destruction of objective truth in legislature, and economic devastation. I don't recall "begging" you at all. I didn't intend to waste your time, precious as though it may be, but having allegedly done so I can't say that I care.

That being said, it was inevitable that engaging in dialogue with you would indeed be a waste of time for anyone. You'll just parrot your "that wasn't real communism" argument, and make up some absolute nonsense about some utopian communist ideal you've dreamed up in your subjective worldview because you've cut yourself off from objective reality like any true Marxist.

Until you realise that you pulled that out of your posterior because I did not make a 'not real Communism' argument.

Which you would know if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, instead of rambling on. The mere fact that my own signature at the bottom of this very post explains that I am not a Marxist is a demonstration of the fact that you are not interested in facts, logic, or indeed hearing any other viewpoint. I suspected as much when you attempted to badger me into a telegram debate, now you have proven yourself looking for nothing more than an opportunity for egotistical grand-standing. If you don't remember begging me to debate you, you either are subject to a very poor memory, or are simply concocting a monster of a lie. I suspect the latter.

Everyone here is free to read what I wrote, without being subject to your misrepresentations of it. You've admitted you read none of it, and therefore understand none of it by definition. I will not waste my precious time by engaging with you further, or the time of people on this thread by arguing this when it is barely of relevance to the proposal. The posts will stay as proof that I did not say what you seem to think I said (which you would know, had you bothered to, you know, read them).

Good day.

[The Australian Federal Republic]

The phrase "demonstrably wrong" means that something has been demonstrated to be wrong. Regarding the "that wasn't real communism" argument, the exact opposite is true. All evidence points to the fact that communism has the same outcomes, namely: totalitarianism, abuse of human rights, mass slaughter, the attempted destruction of objective truth in legislature, and economic devastation. I don't recall "begging" you at all. I didn't intend to waste your time, precious as though it may be, but having allegedly done so I can't say that I care.

That being said, it was inevitable that engaging in dialogue with you would indeed be a waste of time for anyone. You'll just parrot your "that wasn't real communism" argument, and make up some absolute nonsense about some utopian communist ideal you've dreamed up in your subjective worldview because you've cut yourself off from objective reality like any true Marxist.

I find it interesting that you use the phrase 'parroting' since that is exactly what you're doing right now. To start with you've been straw-manning the 'no true communist' argument throughout the debate, and refuse to acknowledge that nobody on this thread has said that. Secondly the 'not real communism' argument has always been a false equivalency anyway. The reasoning to determine that the USSR and other 'supposed' communist states has never been arbitrary; The reasoning was based on their ideological deviations from Marxist doctrine. Keep in mind I am not refuting that any attempt to establish Communism will fail, there are a whole bunch of reasons it will. The point is: You're not making them.

Anyway If you want to continue to debate this, please redirect your arguments to a thread in general. This SC thread is not the place for your particular ideological squabbles.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

Marxist-Leninism (the type of Communism I suspect you were referring to), is only one particular strain of Communist ideology, and not one I and many other Socialists subscribe to.

I said it was ONE kind of Communism

one specific type of Socialist

Falsely trying to assert there are multiple "kinds" of communism and that some are "bad" and some are "good". The truth is simply that communism is communism. All communism is essentially Marxist- communal ownership of all capital. In practice, this community is a nation state, despite your false claim that communism is "stateless" which only shows that you are breaking from objective reality.

Did Catalonia lead to mass atrocities? Not until it was destroyed by Francoist fascists

Thank you for cherry picking one obscure example of a short-lived communist society, which wasn't even a nation, existed decades ago, and still collapsed and failed. Nice work.

it was Hitler's ideology that started a global war that left millions dead, not Stalin's regime

Riiiight. Maybe you should educate yourself. Stat with "The Gulag Archipelago.

I await your next reality-break with bated breath.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

Anyway If you want to continue to debate this, please redirect your arguments to a thread in general. This SC thread is not the place for your particular ideological squabbles.

Oh I tried to redirect it. Cedoria got very mad at me for that. I think Cedoria is still mad about it, in fact.

[The Australian Federal Republic]

Anyway If you want to continue to debate this, please redirect your arguments to a thread in general. This SC thread is not the place for your particular ideological squabbles.

Oh I tried to redirect it. Cedoria got very mad at me for that. I think Cedoria is still mad about it, in fact.

I don't see any evidence of that; however my guess the request was via telegram. Either way, it matters not: if Cedoria has issue with it, that is their problem: not yours. So please redirect the topic, if Cedoria is annoyed about it, it only shows their character floors.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

I don't see any evidence of that; however my guess the request was via telegram. Either way, it matters not: if Cedoria has issue with it, that is their problem: not yours. So please redirect the topic, if Cedoria is annoyed about it, it only shows their character floors.

How about you read the thread and stop trying to play the role of mediator/moderator that no one asked you to?

[The Australian Federal Republic]

How about you read the thread and stop trying to play the role of mediator/moderator that no one asked you to?

I have read the thread; and have seen you continually act hostile to any person that disagrees with you, debates will go far better if you don't approach them with this kind of hostility.

[Hemuraile]

How did we just transition from KR to aspects of communism?

[Hessere]

This... won't even come to pass, even if it reaches quorum.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

I have read the thread; and have seen you continually act hostile to any person that disagrees with you, debates will go far better if you don't approach them with this kind of hostility.

Thankyou for the unasked advice. Now kindly butt out.

How did we just transition from KR to aspects of communism?

Well my initial point was that KR was liberated because it was allegedly harbouring Nazis. I was saying that communist-themed regions could be harbouring Stalinists and thus should be liberated, since Stalin's regime was one that was also fascist, racist, anti-semitic, and directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people. But instead of acknowledging this fact, I have been pestered by people who would rather deny the truth, tar-pit me with senseless arguments, and inform me in a very long-winded way that they don't think I'm being "nice" enough (see above).

[The Australian Federal Republic]

Thankyou for the unasked advice. Now kindly butt out.

Given you're the one disrupting the thread with irrelevant points about Communism, and refuse move onto another thread: No I will not 'kindly butt out'. Either get on topic, or move to another thread.

Now back on the topic of Repeal "Liberate KAISERRICH", the main points FOR the repeal are:
1) KAISERRICH may harbor Nazis, but is not a Nazi organization, which has been refuted on the basis that their iconography is based on Nazi iconography with the swastikas removed and and independent investigation of their off-site Discord chat where antisemitic and Nazi humor was preventable.
2) 'Weaponized' liberations are a bastardization of their purpose and meaning, which has been refuted on the basis that SC proposals are as SC proposals do.
3) Playing ideology police is a violation of the WA charter thing, which has been refuted on the basis that it doen't hold weight in the SC.
4) Weaponizing liberations against Nazi is a slippery slope that may lead to 'Weaponized' liberations being used against other regions, which has been refuted on the basis that only Nazis receive unanimous enough condemnation to allow for such liberations to reach quorum or pass.