[ON HOLD] Repeal "Liberate KAISERREICH"

[Lord Dominator]

The precedent that Nazis are bad and Nazi regions can be subject to action? I'm fine with that.

Again you show you have no idea what precedent is. That's fine. When the people of the world get tired of your witch-hunts and the pendulum swings the other way, you'll get it. Maybe.

The pendulum isn't swinging back on fascist & nazis, and those who knowingly harbor them.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

I said it was ONE kind of Communism

Stopped reading. All communism is communism.

[Prydania]

I said it was ONE kind of Communism

Stopped reading. All communism is communism.

You seem to have an intense hatred of communism.
And yet you can’t quite figure out why others despise Nazism and fascism.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

And yet you can’t quite figure out why others despise Nazism and fascism.

Stop putting words in my mouth, communist.

[Prydania]

I don’t believe for a second that saying “Germany should have tried harder to kill the Jews” is a coping mechanism for dealing with the fact that Germany killed millions of Jewish people.

Being edgy is a coping mechanism for being severely depressed.

“Being edgy” isn’t anything of the sort. It could mean a person is depressed or it could mean an adolescent (or emotionally stunted adult) is simply seeking attention. Teenagers have always done that sort of thing, but it’s only recently that it’s evolved into trivializing genocide. Which is behaviour ybah should absolutely be discouraged.

By kicking these already depressed players, you are perpetuating the cycle of violence.

There’s no cycle of violence here. Jews across Europe were persecuted and murdered en mass for no reason other than bigotry. Neo-Nazis and “ethnic nationalists” today espouse an ideology that advocates genocide.
So kindly stop with your false equivalencies, because people who stand up to Nazis are not the same as Nazis themselves.

Are you a Holocaust victim? Oh, you're not? Oh o, go signal on another platform, and stop ruining the Security Council with your drivel.

Go signal? That’s laughable. I may not be a Holocaust survivor, but enough of my family was. It was certainly impressed upon me early in the childhood the horrors they went through.

So kindly take your Nazi apologia and find some other site to spew your bs on. Is Stormfront still around? They’d probably be interested.

And yet you can’t quite figure out why others despise Nazism and fascism.

Stop putting words in my mouth, communist.

I didn’t put words in your mouth.
And I happen to be a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada, you Nazi.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

I didn’t put words in your mouth.

Very well. Stop attributing to me beliefs which I do not, nor have demonstrated to, hold.

And I happen to be a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada

Hey congratulations, everyone is really proud of you I'm sure.

you Nazi.

Well now you've just gone and hurt my feelings.

[Routcher]

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi: A Prydanian Delegate's Guide to Politics"

For a "Conservative" you sure do lack the value of free speech that defines the movement.

[Sarakart]

There's no such thing as a conservative movement. Conservatives are a diverse and sometimes incoherent grouping stretching across dozens of countries and philosophers. Many Conservative movements hardly cared for free speech as an absolute value, a deeply American idea.

[Routcher]

There's no such thing as a conservative movement. Conservatives are a diverse and sometimes incoherent grouping stretching across dozens of countries and philosophers. Many Conservative movements hardly cared for free speech as an absolute value, a deeply American idea.

I meant a conservative movement within Canada, that is very much against the witch hunt style of politics used by the current Prime Ministers and his lackies. Another point that makes me question the validity of his statement is that Mr. Canadian Antifa here is claiming to be in favor of small government while giving an already over-reaching international body the authority to over-reach even more in the form of weaponized liberations all because his feelings are hurt.

[Prydania]

For a "Conservative" you sure do lack the value of free speech that defines the movement.

I don't believe you're aware of what "One Nation Conservatism" or "Red Toryism" is.
I would suggest you brush up on you Edmund Burke before casting judgment on who is and isn't a "conservative."

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi: A Prydanian Delegate's Guide to Politics"

I don't believe I've ever said "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi. I did call Alcohol-Related Misconduct a Nazi in retaliation for him calling me a communist. Yet I don't see you too up in arms over that.
Funny.

There's no such thing as a conservative movement. Conservatives are a diverse and sometimes incoherent grouping stretching across dozens of countries and philosophers. Many Conservative movements hardly cared for free speech as an absolute value, a deeply American idea.

I meant a conservative movement within Canada, that is very much against the witch hunt style of politics used by the current Prime Ministers and his lackies.

I voted Conservative in 2015. I'd do it again, knowing the mess we have with Mr. Trudeu.
That being said? The Conservative Party of Canada is anti-Nazi. You're aware of this, right?

Another point that makes me question the validity of his statement is that Mr. Canadian Antifa here is claiming to be in favor of small government while giving an already over-reaching international body the authority to over-reach even more in the form of weaponized liberations all because his feelings are hurt.

This isn't a matter of big vs small government. Hell, read up on your John A. Macdonald to learn what the Canadian Conservative political tradition says about government size.
For me? This is a matter of being opposed to Nazism. And being opposed to Nazism is a conservative virtue.

Also you forgot the "u" in "favour."

Very well. Stop attributing to me beliefs which I do not, nor have demonstrated to, hold.

You called me a communist, despite a lack of evidence indicating I'm a communist. So why don't you look in the mirror and realize you're not innocent in this.

[Routcher]

Also you forgot the "u" in "favour."

The "u" is extra and pointless. I'll pass.

[La Navasse]

I wouldn't call the use of Liberations due to ideology and for unsavory regions to be misuse. These are Neoliberations - the new Liberations of today. You could stick to the SC fundamentals and the conventional Traditional Liberations, but I prefer and believe in Neolibs, especially looking at the recent trend of passed Neolibs.

[Routcher]

I wouldn't call the use of Liberations due to ideology and for unsavory regions to be misuse. These are Neoliberations - the new Liberations of today. You could stick to the SC fundamentals and the conventional Traditional Liberations, but I prefer and believe in Neolibs, especially looking at the recent trend of passed Neolibs.

And when you fall out of public favor, you may find yourself at the other end of these "Neolibs". It isn't about your targets. I'm no fan of Nazis, really. But, this is about precedent. Because once all these Nazi regions are out, then who's next? The Monarchists? After all, Kaiserreich is Monarchist, and as a Delegate of a Monarchist region, I find all of this witch-hunt style of world policing to be most troubling...

[Sarakart]

It isn't about "precedent", the SC is a mosh pit that's about convincing the most people possible to your side. Precedent suggests that you could sway people through some rules-based argument that doesn't exist. The reason why people are voting for this lib is not generally because of the precedent being something they like, it's because they dislike Nazis. If they don't push Communist libs to quorum, it's not because this is a precedent they don't like, it's because they don't dislike communists enough to do so.

[Hemuraile]

I wouldn't call the use of Liberations due to ideology and for unsavory regions to be misuse. These are Neoliberations - the new Liberations of today. You could stick to the SC fundamentals and the conventional Traditional Liberations, but I prefer and believe in Neolibs, especially looking at the recent trend of passed Neolibs.

And these "Neoliberations" don't value the freedom of thought. Even if ideologies are as disgusting and hated as Nazism, it isn't the right of the SC to crack down on ideologies and violate freedom of thought. Neoliberations or conventional/tradition Liberations, these are still liberations.

[La Navasse]

I wouldn't call the use of Liberations due to ideology and for unsavory regions to be misuse. These are Neoliberations - the new Liberations of today. You could stick to the SC fundamentals and the conventional Traditional Liberations, but I prefer and believe in Neolibs, especially looking at the recent trend of passed Neolibs.

And these "Neoliberations" don't value the freedom of thought. Even if ideologies are as disgusting and hated as Nazism, it isn't the right of the SC to crack down on ideologies and violate freedom of thought. Neoliberations or conventional/tradition Liberations, these are still liberations.

The SC has the right to determine whether there are certain regions in need of preemptive action. If the democratic process allows such to happen, then it should happen - that's the way how democracy goes, doesn't it?

[Hemuraile]

The SC has the right to determine whether there are certain regions in need of preemptive action. If the democratic process allows such to happen, then it should happen - that's the way how democracy goes, doesn't it?

At the expense of free thought? One's rights end where other's rights begin.

[La Navasse]

The SC has the right to determine whether there are certain regions in need of preemptive action. If the democratic process allows such to happen, then it should happen - that's the way how democracy goes, doesn't it?

At the expense of free thought? One's rights end where other's rights begin.

Such is the nature of democracy.

[Routcher]

At the expense of free thought? One's rights end where other's rights begin.

Such is the nature of democracy.

Pfft. Democracy is a useful tool until the masses are convinced that *you* are the danger.

[Sarakart]

There are no masses here, you'd need to convince the GCRs and their delegates before much else

[Routcher]

There are no masses here, you'd need to convince the GCRs and their delegates before much else

Aaaand, given their number, I think it'd be safe to call them the "masses".

Unwashed, feederite masses, but masses all the same.

[Prydania]

Such is the nature of democracy.

Pfft. Democracy is a useful tool until the masses are convinced that *you* are the danger.

I have yet to see these "neo liberations" used against any region that's not a Nazi region. Save for the joke lib of TEP, which the TEP Delegate approved in quorum.

This "well you won't be laughing when this is turned around on you" mentality doesn't have much to it, because there's no way in hell the SC is ever going to suddenly be pro-Nazi.

[Alcohol-Related Misconduct]

This "well you won't be laughing when this is turned around on you" mentality doesn't have much to it, because there's no way in hell the SC is ever going to suddenly be pro-Nazi.

Yeah I don't think anyone holds that mentality. I think that people are worried that there'll a tyrannical majority abusing liberations to bully regions they don't like, mostly because that's basically already happening.

[Prydania]

This "well you won't be laughing when this is turned around on you" mentality doesn't have much to it, because there's no way in hell the SC is ever going to suddenly be pro-Nazi.

Yeah I don't think anyone holds that mentality. I think that people are worried that there'll a tyrannical majority abusing liberations to bully regions they don't like, mostly because that's basically already happening.

Except it's not.
KReich? Closeted Nazis.
Nazi Europa? Nazis...obviously.
Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

You cannot point to a single offensive liberation que that's used to target a non-Nazi region, because none exist.
So I'm telling you that you don't have to worry about offensive liberations being used to bully regions. I guarantee you that no attempt at liberating Pro Life, Catholic, or any other conservative region will gain support in quorum because this isn't about bullying anyone. It's about standing up to Nazism. And you, as someone who claimed he despised Nazis, should at least appreciate that.

And you know what? I'll go a step further. I will personally apologize to you and tell you that you were right if these offensive liberations are successfully used to bully conservative regions.

[Routcher]

Yeah I don't think anyone holds that mentality. I think that people are worried that there'll a tyrannical majority abusing liberations to bully regions they don't like, mostly because that's basically already happening.

Except it's not.
KReich? Closeted Nazis.
Nazi Europa? Nazis...obviously.
Femdom Empire? Allied with Nazis.

You cannot point to a single offensive liberation que that's used to target a non-Nazi region, because none exist.
So I'm telling you that you don't have to worry about offensive liberations being used to bully regions. I guarantee you that no attempt at liberating Pro Life, Catholic, or any other conservative region will gain support in quorum because this isn't about bullying anyone. It's about standing up to Nazism. And you, as someone who claimed he despised Nazis, should at least appreciate that.

And you know what? I'll go a step further. I will personally apologize to you and tell you that you were right if these offensive liberations are successfully used to bully conservative regions.

We're talking about the future, not the present you dense feederite.