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Liberate The Internationale
Category: Liberation | Target: The Internationale | Proposed by: United Massachusetts

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Noting the existing Security Council precedent set by SC #XXX, which justifies the use of liberations as a means to frustrate the propagators of hateful ideologies,

Firmly asserting that the brand of revolutionary communism espoused by the Internationale (and its military partners in The Red Fleet) is fundamentally hateful towards those who, among other things, hold religious faith or dissent against violent revolution as a means to attain social change,

Saddened by the manifestation of such hatred in the form of the violent actions of the Red Fleet, whose forces have involved themselves in the destruction of several capitalist regions and the raiding of those regions who merely desire peaceful coexistence,

Unsurprised that the present regime, whilst claiming to be democratic, has forcibly exiled countless individuals merely for raising opposition to communist rule, considering that the supression of free speech is a vital component of the communist ideology to which The Internationale's leadership subscribes,

Annoyed that the Internationale retains a positive global image by masquerading as the leading force of anti-fascism across these nation-states, despite espousing an ideology that is not far removed from fascism in nature,

Believing that through its trampling over the rights of regions, the Internationale, and, by extension, the rest of the militant left, has surrendered its right to protection from the Security Council,

Yearning, therefore, to punish The Internationale for its crimes against others, its crimes against its own citizens, and its hateful ideology,

The Security Council, by the advice and consent of the Delegates and member nations thereof, does hereby liberate the Internationale.

I only intend to propose this if "Liberate KAISERREICH" passes.

What a time to be alive. Welcome to the legislative revolution, the liberation wars have begun.

Sarakart wrote:What a time to be alive. Welcome to the legislative revolution, the liberation wars have begun.

Indeed. Welp that happens when condemn got the honour badge connotation.

Kurnugia wrote:

Sarakart wrote:What a time to be alive. Welcome to the legislative revolution, the liberation wars have begun.

Indeed. Welp that happens when condemn got the honour badge connotation.

Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.

United Massachusetts wrote:

Kurnugia wrote:Indeed. Welp that happens when condemn got the honour badge connotation.

Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.

And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Sarakart wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.

And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Alternatively, we could just not ride the slope at all. Liberate KAISERREICH is a horrible idea, and, if this is what it takes to set a negative precedent, so be it.

Sarakart wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.

And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Weeeee! Slides are fun!

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sarakart wrote:
And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Alternatively, we could just not ride the slope at all. Liberate KAISERREICH is a horrible idea, and, if this is what it takes to set a negative precedent, so be it.

There is precedent though

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sarakart wrote:
And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Alternatively, we could just not ride the slope at all. Liberate KAISERREICH is a horrible idea, and, if this is what it takes to set a negative precedent, so be it.

You haven't made any argument as to why the precedent is bad, beyond railing against it. I think it's a dynamic way to add freshness to the security council.

Not much, if I recall. Typically, liberations are for invaded, founderless regions (and it ought to stay that way).

This proposal does demonstrate why liberations as a tool for harm should not be done. However, I don't accept this slippery slope arguement.

All it demonstrates is that the legislative revolution is here. If UM wants to try it, he should go for it, he has my full support in principle if not for the actual liberation, because it shakes up the meta.

Sarakart wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Alternatively, we could just not ride the slope at all. Liberate KAISERREICH is a horrible idea, and, if this is what it takes to set a negative precedent, so be it.

You haven't made any argument as to why the precedent is bad, beyond railing against it. I think it's a dynamic way to add freshness to the security council.

Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

Most of the support against KAISERREICH is expressly on the basis of anti-fascism. Whether or not you agree with that classification of KAISERREICH, I don't see an indication of widespread support for a conservative purge.

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sarakart wrote:
You haven't made any argument as to why the precedent is bad, beyond railing against it. I think it's a dynamic way to add freshness to the security council.

Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

I don't see it coming though. Any reasonable evidence that the broader NS community would make this? Let us not forget, that this is primarily KR's making.

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sarakart wrote:
You haven't made any argument as to why the precedent is bad, beyond railing against it. I think it's a dynamic way to add freshness to the security council.

Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

I agree! I personally think that the "antifascist" front are false leftists who are threatening democracy across NS. I actually wrote a manifesto about it. I also implore democratic nations in the WA to oppose the "antifascists" and their sympathizers, such as TRF, North Korea, and the aforementioned Internationale.

Kurnugia wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

I don't see it coming though. Any reasonable evidence that the broader NS community would make this? Let us not forget, that this is primarily KR's making.

Misley railing against Libertatem and placing RTL on their super-top-secret raiding targets list.
Tim publicly saying he wanted Right to Life to CTE.

Again, the list goes on. Even if it won't be done directly, many people in positions of power across NS will try to use this to gain major concessions from the right-wing. And they can do so because I'd bet you that a liberation of Right to Life would pass right now, with widespread support from the lemmings and with support from several GP elites.

Sarakart wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Frankly, I'm opposed to Liberate KAISERREICH. This is primarily designed to make a point--this whole liberate to destroy thing is a slippery slope.

And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Sounds like a good idea to me

Lord Dominator wrote:

Sarakart wrote:
And we are going to ride this slope down to the bottom.

Sounds like a good idea to me

Yes. Chaos is good!

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sarakart wrote:
You haven't made any argument as to why the precedent is bad, beyond railing against it. I think it's a dynamic way to add freshness to the security council.

Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

I like how you describe yourself as a left-winger, yet you refer to it as a tool to destroy the right...using terms that accurately describe your own region.

Kurnugia wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:Sounds like a good idea to me

Yes. Chaos is good!

Tis true
Let us burn the world so we may dance in the flames!

Living in Sin wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

I like how you describe yourself as a left-winger, yet you refer to it as a tool to destroy the right...using terms that accurately describe your own region.

why do you care? are you an antifa sympathizer?

United Massachusetts wrote:

Kurnugia wrote:I don't see it coming though. Any reasonable evidence that the broader NS community would make this? Let us not forget, that this is primarily KR's making.

Misley railing against Libertatem and placing RTL on their super-top-secret raiding targets list.
Tim publicly saying he wanted Right to Life to CTE.

Again, the list goes on. Even if it won't be done directly, many people in positions of power across NS will try to use this to gain major concessions from the right-wing. And they can do so because I'd bet you that a liberation of Right to Life would pass right now, with widespread support from the lemmings and with support from several GP elites.

KR is a very special case though. So I remain sceptical.

Kurnugia wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Misley railing against Libertatem and placing RTL on their super-top-secret raiding targets list.
Tim publicly saying he wanted Right to Life to CTE.

Again, the list goes on. Even if it won't be done directly, many people in positions of power across NS will try to use this to gain major concessions from the right-wing. And they can do so because I'd bet you that a liberation of Right to Life would pass right now, with widespread support from the lemmings and with support from several GP elites.

KR is a very special case though. So I remain sceptical.

That's where it always starts. Remember when CAIN labelled Right to Life a Nazi collaborator?

Living in Sin wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Liberate KAISERREICH will invariably become, at some point, Liberate Right to Life. Or, Liberate Catholic. Or, Liberate The League of Conservative Nations. Liberate Libertatem

The list goes on. This is going to be used as the tool to destroy the right on NationStates, and, as a left-winger, I don't like it one bit.

I like how you describe yourself as a left-winger, yet you refer to it as a tool to destroy the right...using terms that accurately describe your own region.

I fail to understand your point.

West Leas Oros wrote:

Living in Sin wrote:
I like how you describe yourself as a left-winger, yet you refer to it as a tool to destroy the right...using terms that accurately describe your own region.

why do you care? are you an antifa sympathizer?

You say that like it's a particular condemnation. MT Army is antifa and it got commended.

Sarakart wrote:

West Leas Oros wrote:why do you care? are you an antifa sympathizer?

You say that like it's a particular condemnation. MT Army is antifa and it got commended.

I know. And it was undeserved.
proof:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=957276