[Re-drafting] Condemn Lazarus

[Old Hope]

Knowing Lazarus as a big, important region,

Shocked that the nation Funkadelia, misusing the trust of the nations that made them delegate, forcefully removed several nations from the region to remove dissent,

Enraged that the nation used its power of nation removal to force nations to make Aleister delegate, a nation with ties to the horrible raider region of Lone Wolves United, that specializes itself in destruction of other regions,

Horrified that Lazarus has been subverted and converted into a recruitment base by the evil, condemned raider puppetmasters from Lone Wolves United,

Encouraging every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus,

Encouraging every region to make efforts to end this subversion,

The Security Council condemns Lazarus.

Enraged that Lazarus, a region of great importance, has allowed itself to be subverted and to be converted into a recruitment base by the evil, condemned puppetmasters from Lone Wolves United

Encouraging every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encouraging every region to make efforts to end this subversion

The Security Council

Condemns Lazarus

[Lord Dominator]

No support, even if it wasn't terribly written

[Old Hope]

No support, even if it wasn't terribly written

This does not surprise me at all, because you are an agent of Lone Wolves United.

[Wrapper]

Let me get this straight. You want to condemn a region, because it got invaded?

[Lord Dominator]

No support, even if it wasn't terribly written

This does not surprise me at all, because you are an agent of Lone Wolves United.

False. I be an agent of TBH. I just enjoy what they've done to the place

[Old Hope]

Let me get this straight. You want to condemn a region, because it got invaded?

This is a long-term occupation intended to be permanent,that's why. LWU is already condemned. Lazarus is a GCR. A GCR being reduced to a permanent recruitment base for a raider organization is horrible, hence the condemnation.

[Wrapper]

Let me get this straight. You want to condemn a region, because it got invaded?

This is a long-term occupation intended to be permanent,that's why. LWU is already condemned. Lazarus is a GCR. A GCR being reduced to a permanent recruitment base for a raider organization is horrible, hence the condemnation.

Still not buying it. There are thousands of innocent nations in the region that had nothing to do with this. You want to take action, take action against the former leadership that helped make it happen, not the entire region.

[Old Hope]

This is a long-term occupation intended to be permanent,that's why. LWU is already condemned. Lazarus is a GCR. A GCR being reduced to a permanent recruitment base for a raider organization is horrible, hence the condemnation.

Still not buying it. There are thousands of innocent nations in the region that had nothing to do with this. You want to take action, take action against the former leadership that helped make it happen, not the entire region.

At the current state, every nation in Lazarus - who is not a sleeper overthrowing Lazarus - is, either due to inaction or being an active supporter, furthering the inacceptable recruitment base status. Every nation who willingly endorses the delegate is endorsing this unacceptable status.
Action against leadership is pointless. The only reliable action is a condemnation of Lazarus because everyone can see it and none of the LWU puppets can do anything against it(except proposing a repeal).

[Wrapper]

At the current state, every nation in Lazarus - who is not a sleeper overthrowing Lazarus - is, either due to inaction or being an active supporter, furthering the inacceptable recruitment base status.

Sorry, that just reeks of victim-blaming. No support.

[Aclion]

At the current state, every nation in Lazarus - who is not a sleeper overthrowing Lazarus - is, either due to inaction or being an active supporter, furthering the inacceptable recruitment base status.

Sorry, that just reeks of victim-blaming. No support.

The victims are all in TRR now.

[Wrapper]

Sorry, that just reeks of victim-blaming. No support.

The victims are all in TRR now.

All 5000 of them?

[Lord Dominator]

Sorry, that just reeks of victim-blaming. No support.

The victims are all in TRR now.

Or TSP, or assorted other regions

[Aclion]

The victims are all in TRR now.

All 5000 of them?

Any that were active regionally and supported Lazarus. There's a reason it was described as a purge.
Unless you saying that all 5000 have to be involved for it to count, but that would be a really weird stance to take when it only took a handful of users to convince the staff to censor lazarus's government during the coup.

[Willania Imperium]

Shit writing, confusing logic, and just plain stupid. Best to submit it to the furnace.

[Sarakart]

Enraged that Lazarus, a region of great importance, has allowed itself to be subverted and to be converted into a recruitment base by the evil, condemned puppetmasters from Lone Wolves United

The Security Council

Encourages every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encourages every region to make efforts to end this subversion

Condemns Lazarus

As with the other proposal, just go to the gameplay forum and complain about Lazarus, this isn't how the SC works. It's not a complaint board. It's a procedurally compliant complaint board.

[Old Hope]

As with the other proposal, just go to the gameplay forum and complain about Lazarus, this isn't how the SC works. It's not a complaint board. It's a procedurally compliant complaint board.

This is the most effective type of proposal to reach that goal.
It as been submitted.

[Blood Wine]

As with the other proposal, just go to the gameplay forum and complain about Lazarus, this isn't how the SC works. It's not a complaint board. It's a procedurally compliant complaint board.

This is the most effective type of proposal to reach that goal.
It as been submitted.

Never gonna reach vote

[Kurnugia]

If anything they should be commended! They brought a bit of life in NSGP!

[Wrapper]

Encourages every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encourages every region to make efforts to end this subversion

This is borderline illegal. I'm not sure how other mods will rule, but according to Rule 3 a condemnation proposal can only condemn, it cannot do other things. There are recent C&Cs that state that the Security Council, "Encouraging interested parties to ensure the security etc." or "Encouraging other regions and communities to look to [the nominee] etc.", does hereby commend/condemn X, but this is stated a little differently. This is stated, with force of law, that the SC encourages nations to do something.

I'm going to leave this as legal for now, mostly because I expressed an opinion against this proposal, until someone else rules on it, but I suggest you withdraw it and reword it.

[Old Hope]

Encourages every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encourages every region to make efforts to end this subversion

This is borderline illegal. I'm not sure how other mods will rule, but according to Rule 3 a condemnation proposal can only condemn, it cannot do other things. There are recent C&Cs that state that the Security Council, "Encouraging interested parties to ensure the security etc." or "Encouraging other regions and communities to look to [the nominee] etc.", does hereby commend/condemn X, but this is stated a little differently. This is stated, with force of law, that the SC encourages nations to do something.

I'm going to leave this as legal for now, mostly because I expressed an opinion against this proposal, until someone else rules on it, but I suggest you withdraw it and reword it.

Commendations/Condemnation can only commend/condemn the nominee, Liberations can only liberate the targeted region, and Repeals can only repeal the targeted resolution. For example, your proposal cannot impose fines, sanctions or a boycott on a condemned nation.

I didn't write "The Security Council mandates all nations to remove endorsements"(because I know that this is illegal).
Recommendations do not impose anything mandatory.

There are recent C&Cs that state that the Security Council, "Encouraging interested parties to ensure the security etc." or "Encouraging other regions and communities to look to [the nominee] etc.", does hereby commend/condemn X, but this is stated a little differently. This is stated, with force of law, that the SC encourages nations to do something.

If they would the above clauses would have been illegal, because they have no less force of the law behind them.

[Wrapper]

Tell me if you see the difference between the following two proposals:

The Security Council:
Noting that apples are good for you;
Recommending everyone eats an apple a day to keep the doctor away;
Encouraging apple producers to produce more apples;
Hereby commends apples.

The Security Council:
Noting that apples are good for you;
Hereby recommends everyone eats an apple a day to keep the doctor away;
Encourages apple producers to produce more apples;
And commends apples.

To me it seems the second one does more than just commend while the first one does not; the "recommending" and "encouraging" in the first example are secondary to the SC's only official proclamation, which is to commend.

Maybe it's my GA background bleeding through, where "encourages" and "recommends" clauses carry the force of law, and like I said I've already stated a position here, so, I'll defer to other mods' rulings. In the meantime, as I said, I've remarked this as legal.

[Old Hope]

Tell me if you see the difference between the following two proposals:

The Security Council:
Noting that apples are good for you;
Recommending everyone eats an apple a day to keep the doctor away;
Encouraging apple producers to produce more apples;
Hereby commends apples.

The Security Council:
Noting that apples are good for you;
Hereby recommends everyone eats an apple a day to keep the doctor away;
Encourages apple producers to produce more apples;
And commends apples.

To me it seems the second one does more than just commend while the firstEnraged that Lazarus, a region of great importance, has allowed itself to be subverted and to be converted into a recruitment base by the evil, condemned puppetmasters from Lone Wolves United

The Security Council

Encourages every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encourages every region to make efforts to end this subversion

Condemns Lazarus one does not; the "recommending" and "encouraging" in the first example are secondary to the SC's only official proclamation, which is to commend.

Maybe it's my GA background bleeding through, where "encourages" and "recommends" clauses carry the force of law, and like I said I've already stated a position here, so, I'll defer to other mods' rulings. In the meantime, as I said, I've remarked this as legal.

Enraged that Lazarus, a region of great importance, has allowed itself to be subverted and to be converted into a recruitment base by the evil, condemned puppetmasters from Lone Wolves United

Encouraging every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encouraging every region to make efforts to end this subversion

The Security Council

Condemns Lazarus

Would this be legal in your eyes, then?

[Alkasia]

Obviously this wasn't given much thought by the author since it was submitted almost immediately in a badly written state. Next time, wait for others to give you pointers and help you make a proposal usable.


That being said, an SC condemnation would merely validate the LWU takeover of Lazarus. The nature of condemnations has changed, and this has been reiterated many times.

Against.

[Wrapper]

Enraged that Lazarus, a region of great importance, has allowed itself to be subverted and to be converted into a recruitment base by the evil, condemned puppetmasters from Lone Wolves United

Encouraging every nation of Lazarus not to endorse the puppetmasters of Lazarus

Encouraging every region to make efforts to end this subversion

The Security Council

Condemns Lazarus

Would this be legal in your eyes, then?

Yes. You've taken the active "encourages" clauses and made them passive, preambulatory clauses.

[Old Hope]

Removed and re-submitted with changes.