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[DEFEATED] Condemn The Black Hawks (by Union of Caplis)

Postby Tinhampton » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:02 am

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Condemn The Black Hawks
A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.
Category: Condemnation
Nominee (region): The Black Hawks
Proposed by: Union of Caplis

Recognizing, that the region of The Black Hawks is a hostile raiding region that has terrorized many regions for enjoyment;

Further Recognizing, that The Black Hawks have been condemned for their raids many times, such as in Security Council Resolution # 52 and Security Council Resolution # 217;

Observing, that the World Assembly has withdrawn condemnation of The Black Hawks as the region sees condemnations as rewards;

Further Observing, that a large number of regions have become victim to The Black Hawks since the withdrawing of the region's condemnation;

Concerned, that the raiding of regions has become a constant problem of the World Assembly;

Noting, that The Black Hawks have many puppet regions, such as Violet Irises, that have also been used to attack unsuspecting, vulnerable regions;

Addressing, the need for the World Assembly to take a hard stance against raiding by placing more condemnations upon the region;

Noting, that the The Black Hawks and their repeated, flagrant offenses against regions is impeding on the mission of the World Assembly to promote interregional peace and goodwill. This body must take a vigorous, conclusive, and full censure of this organization;

Therefore, be it resolved that the World Assembly Security Council condemns The Black Hawks for their terrorizing actions.


Presumably due to a mass-telegram campaign (see spoiler below), there were little over 14 hours between my becoming the second delegate to approve it at ~0010 GMT today and Lerica giving it Approval #104 (thus bringing it to quorum) at ~1430 GMT. All told, this proposal recieved 110 approvals. It does not appear that Caplis engaged in any sort of forum drafting whatsoever.
Delegates of the World Assembly,

In my region,Gae Sebn Semeb, we have been subject to many raids that have attempted to destabilize our government and destroy us. The most recent one was committed by The Black Hawks puppet region: Violet Irises. We survived, but I want to do have this distinguished body do more than just survive or deal with this attack on our freedoms. That is why I have submitted a proposal to the World Assembly Security Council to condemn The Black Hawks for their attacks. I ask the Delegates of the World Assembly to approve my proposal.

Here is my proposal of condemnation
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The Black Hawks have an entire history of disturbing the peace and goodwill of regions, which impedes on the official mission of the World Assembly. The most recent condemnation was repealed because of the raider organization seeing condemnations as rewards. Even if they do see them in this way, we must keep a strong stance against their action. Inaction will show that we are okay with their terrorizing actions.

WE MUST CONDEMN THE BLACK HAWKS
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:06 am

This seriously reached vote? Against. Its nothing but a badge of honor to raiders and TBH already has two.
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Postby The Stalker » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:12 am

Clearly they need three though, two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one.

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Postby The North Fort » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:24 am

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Postby Alkasia » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:27 am

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Postby Lindesia » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:30 am

Lenlyvit wrote:This seriously reached vote? Against. Its nothing but a badge of honor to raiders and TBH already has two.


So... what do these condemnations do? Anything? Are they just a means of basically telling a Region, "You've been a bad boy?" Is there a limit or some type of administrative action after a Region has been given a certain amount of condemnations or reprimands? Are they just allowed to keep going on with business and usual?

Perhaps there should be a proposition put before the Security Council mandating the number of warnings, condemnations or reprimands a region may acquire, before action is taken. What action? As an example: Three condemnations and your region is forfeit and closed down by the administrators. Currently, as you put it, a condemnation is nothing but a badge of honor. Perhaps if there were certain consequences associated with it, things might be a little different?

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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:34 am

Lindesia wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:This seriously reached vote? Against. Its nothing but a badge of honor to raiders and TBH already has two.


So... what do these condemnations do? Anything? Are they just a means of basically telling a Region, "You've been a bad boy?" Is there a limit or some type of administrative action after a Region has been given a certain amount of condemnations or reprimands? Are they just allowed to keep going on with business and usual?

Perhaps there should be a proposition put before the Security Council mandating the number of warnings, condemnations or reprimands a region may acquire, before action is taken. What action? As an example: Three condemnations and your region is forfeit and closed down by the administrators. Currently, as you put it, a condemnation is nothing but a badge of honor. Perhaps if there were certain consequences associated with it, things might be a little different?

We've tried coming up with actions to go along with Condemnations, but none ever take. If you feel like it, go to the technical forum and search "SC" or "Security Council".
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Postby Union of Caplis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:39 am

I wrote this condemnation because of their raid of my region. While yes they do see these condemnations as a trophy, that does not mean we should not still show that we reject their actions. I understand that the condemnation are no more than a badge, but I must work with what I possess to express my concerns and dismay at this organization. I thank you all for your input and would appreciate anything else you would have to tell me on this subject.

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Postby Sacara » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:42 am

Union of Caplis wrote:I wrote this condemnation because of their raid of my region. While yes they do see these condemnations as a trophy, that does not mean we should not still show that we reject their actions. I understand that the condemnation are no more than a badge, but I must work with what I possess to express my concerns and dismay at this organization. I thank you all for your input and would appreciate anything else you would have to tell me on this subject.

I feel for you, I really do. However, I just can’t see a third condemnation of TBH passing the Security Council. Even though I am sympathetic towards defenders, in not sure a third is necessary. Three is too many.
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Postby Union of Caplis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:50 am

Sacara wrote:
Union of Caplis wrote:I wrote this condemnation because of their raid of my region. While yes they do see these condemnations as a trophy, that does not mean we should not still show that we reject their actions. I understand that the condemnation are no more than a badge, but I must work with what I possess to express my concerns and dismay at this organization. I thank you all for your input and would appreciate anything else you would have to tell me on this subject.

I feel for you, I really do. However, I just can’t see a third condemnation of TBH passing the Security Council. Even though I am sympathetic towards defenders, in not sure a third is necessary. Three is too many.

And I thank you for that. I feel that a third expresses this issue with emphasis that could possibly cause regions to work together more to stop this atrocity to freedoms.

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Postby SSRO » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:52 am

As part of a syndicate of nations that have had their regions occupied by TBH for years, and was somewhat influential in passing the second one, I feel obligated to support it. However, it has come to the point where this method of action is truly useless to everyone. TBH recognizes it as an award, and everyone worth a damn on this site knows that TBH are an aggressive nuisance. In recognition of both of these, I will remain neutral on this one, but suggest to others that it be denied.
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Postby Hessere » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:02 am

I wonder if you people realize that giving them more of these only heightens their stance (not that I'm opposed to it).
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Postby The United Reich of Germany » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:20 am

I'M OPPOSED TO THIS CONDEMNATION. ITS THE THIRD CONDEMNATION AND THE BLACK HAWKS ARE ONLY EXPANDING THEIR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE PACIFICALLY. THE FREEDOM ON THEIR REGION IS HIGH. AND THE RAIDS ARE ONLY A VENGEANCE BECAUSE YOUR REGION NOT JOINED IN THEIR SPHERE

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Postby Union of Caplis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:27 am

The United Reich of Germany wrote:I'M OPPOSED TO THIS CONDEMNATION. ITS THE THIRD CONDEMNATION AND THE BLACK HAWKS ARE ONLY EXPANDING THEIR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE PACIFICALLY. THE FREEDOM ON THEIR REGION IS HIGH. AND THE RAIDS ARE ONLY A VENGEANCE BECAUSE YOUR REGION NOT JOINED IN THEIR SPHERE

While you are entitled to your view, the members of the violated regions are opposed to this loss of OUR freedoms to govern ourselves. The World Assembly has expressed twice previously that The Black Hawks are a serious problem worth defeating.

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Postby McChimp » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:29 am

The Black Hawks' evil is limited only by the number of condemnation badges that can be fitted into a screen's width.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:32 am

Union of Caplis wrote:
The United Reich of Germany wrote:I'M OPPOSED TO THIS CONDEMNATION. ITS THE THIRD CONDEMNATION AND THE BLACK HAWKS ARE ONLY EXPANDING THEIR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE PACIFICALLY. THE FREEDOM ON THEIR REGION IS HIGH. AND THE RAIDS ARE ONLY A VENGEANCE BECAUSE YOUR REGION NOT JOINED IN THEIR SPHERE

While you are entitled to your view, the members of the violated regions are opposed to this loss of OUR freedoms to govern ourselves. The World Assembly has expressed twice previously that The Black Hawks are a serious problem worth defeating.

Look. I get where you're coming from. I'm a defender, always have been always will be. I detest raiding and destroying innocent communities. But, you're an executive founder of your region. Even if TBH hit you in a tag raid, like they did, it has zero lasting effect because you as an executive founder have absolute control in your region. Just turn all powers off on your WA delegate and leave it with WA only. Then raiders can't do anything at all.
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Postby McChimp » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:33 am

Lenlyvit wrote:Look. I get where you're coming from. I'm a defender, always have been always will be. I detest raiding and destroying innocent communities.


he's right, this is exactly what the black hawks do. They are evil and we need to condemn them.
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Postby Union of Caplis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:35 am

Lenlyvit wrote:
Union of Caplis wrote:While you are entitled to your view, the members of the violated regions are opposed to this loss of OUR freedoms to govern ourselves. The World Assembly has expressed twice previously that The Black Hawks are a serious problem worth defeating.

Look. I get where you're coming from. I'm a defender, always have been always will be. I detest raiding and destroying innocent communities. But, you're an executive founder of your region. Even if TBH hit you in a tag raid, like they did, it has zero lasting effect because you as an executive founder have absolute control in your region. Just turn all powers off on your WA delegate and leave it with WA only. Then raiders can't do anything at all.

I did this not only for my region but other regions who are not able to save themselves.

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Postby Agadar » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:45 am

Tinhampton wrote:Observing, that the World Assembly has withdrawn condemnation of The Black Hawks as the region sees condemnations as rewards;


You explicitly claim they see condemnations as rewards, and yet your brilliant idea is to condemn them? Quality proposal, mate.
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Postby Union of Caplis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:56 am

Agadar wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Observing, that the World Assembly has withdrawn condemnation of The Black Hawks as the region sees condemnations as rewards;


You explicitly claim they see condemnations as rewards, and yet your brilliant idea is to condemn them? Quality proposal, mate.

Well if you read further, you would see that I had stated that this is a statement of an opposing stance that should override how the region sees the condemnation.

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Postby Jakker » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:58 am

The Stalker wrote:Clearly they need three though, two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one.


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Postby American Eastern States » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:02 am

Against.

Condemnations do nothing and they are prideful of them. If you want to hurt them, vote to liberate the region's they raided.
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Postby Agadar » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:05 am

Union of Caplis wrote:
Agadar wrote:
You explicitly claim they see condemnations as rewards, and yet your brilliant idea is to condemn them? Quality proposal, mate.

Well if you read further, you would see that I had stated that this is a statement of an opposing stance that should override how the region sees the condemnation.


You're trying to reward the Black Hawks by condemning them, no matter how meta you're trying to go here to cover that up. You're actively working in their favor. That is an indisputable fact. The only result of this condemnation passing would be a few happy Black Hawks. That is counter-productive, even in comparison to previous SC resolutions.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:11 am

If you want to stop the blackhawks, the best thing to do would be to organize with your region to create puppet states, and then start adding them if it appears you are getting raided. Also, quickly ban any unknown country if they seem to be acting suspiciously in your region. Puppet states often have certain characteristics that set them apart from normal nations. It's like preventing illness. If worst comes to worst, certain regions may need to password protect themselves and have certain initiation rites to let in new members.
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Postby The United Reich of Germany » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:13 am

Agadar wrote:You're trying to reward the Black Hawks by condemning them, no matter how meta you're trying to go here to cover that up. You're actively working in their favor. That is an indisputable fact. The only result of this condemnation passing would be a few happy Black Hawks. That is counter-productive, even in comparison to previous SC resolutions.

This is are enough motives to vote against. To vote against the Black Hawks laughs.

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