[Abandoned] Repeal Commend Yohannes

[Yohannes]

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After much thought and consideration, I have chosen to follow my heart. Since I have decided to open up and reveal myself since 2017 (dropping subtle hints here and there), I have thought about this for quite a wee while now. In the past, I had publicly opposed the commendation/condemnation of some National and International Roleplaying writers, because of grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. They were atrocious.

I value the importance of honesty and integrity. The Stalker, I would be grateful if you could arrange for the repeal of Security Council Resolution # 149 Commend Yohannes. The two principal reasons are as follows:

1. I’d like to apologise to Maltropia (I truly respect him), but the proposal contains bad grammar and poor writing style. It’s time for me to walk the talk. If Security Council Resolution # 149 was created for another N&I RP writer, I’d probably oppose it on that ground alone.

2. In-Character, the original proposal assumed that 2012 was the height of Yohannes in the NationStates National and International Roleplaying World. I’ll be honest: If In-Character (IC) Yohannes in 2019 somehow meets IC Yohannes in 2012, IC Yohannes 2019 would easily demolish IC Yohannes 2012—including all of IC Yohannes 2012’s allied countries/N&I RP writers—with one hand tied behind its back. Both Out-of-Character (OOC) and IC, Yohannes in N&I RP is at its absolute strongest now—not 2012.

The Stalker, would you be able to repeal Security Council Resolution # 149?

Edit: Thank you for the advice Apostate, Queen Yuno, Fauxia, The Stalker, Laeral, Shazbotdom, Lamoni, Maltropia, Libraria and Ausitoria, Fahran and Evil Dictators Happyland. I have decided that I will now abandon this thread. To Fahran, I never realised people recognised my fictional work that much. It made me realise that my words and actions carry resonance, and I must ensure that I contribute to making NationStates a better place by doing my (own) part (i.e. being a good example both in out of character action and judgment). Thank you so much for the wise words and suggestions.

Greetings to the regulars of the Security Council sub forum,

I would like to ask for someone very influential in Security Council sub forum (and community), or a long-standing Security Council campaigner to draft a "Repeal Commend Yohannes".

The purpose of a condemnation or a commendation for a NationStates roleplayer is to recognise her or his role (the player behind the nation being roleplayed in NationStates) as a role model in the broadly defined NationStates roleplaying community.

I have failed to be a role model through my arrogant attitude, politically incorrect comments, and argumentative out of character nature at times (long story short; if any possible author is interested, they can browse my forum posting history).

I have thus decided that I do not deserve a commendation and would be happy to have anyone be interested to work on a repeal of Security Council Resolution # 149 Commend Yohannes.

If any future author of a repeal draft/resolution would like evidence for my request/approval/permission, I urge them to link future World Assembly voters to this thread.

Thank you very much and I am sorry if this [sub forum] is not the right place for this kind of requests.

-E and Y

Edit: I will think it over. To Apostate, Queen Yuno, Fauxia, and The Stalker, thank you for the advice!

[Apostate]

Well done. But, just because you are rude and don’t fit in with the kool kids club does not mean you should throw away your badge.

Of course, I think it’s a silly badge anyways, so if you throw it at someone, make it good

Regardless, moral integrity is in short supply on this forum and in this game so, kudos!

[Queen Yuno]

It's a political simulator, you're bound to step on toes. Don't worry too much about having a Commend.

Just make reforms, since I don't know the full story, but iirc I heard great things about you from Lamoni and the other "controversial" but wise nation...Araraukar. Whatever's getting you flamey, just reread your posts and reword before hitting enter, but I'm sure you're well-appreciated in your community.

Well done. But, just because you are rude and don’t fit in with the kool kids club does not mean you should throw away your badge.

Of course, I think it’s a silly badge anyways, so if you throw it at someone, make it good

Regardless, moral integrity is in short supply on this forum and in this game so, kudos!

OK WEIRD, irrelevant but I have to post it: So I was just learning SAT vocabulary (I'm older than that age group, I just study words in my spare time) and I came across the word "Apostate", memorized it as my last word for today, and then instantly opened this thread and saw your name before I'd gone onto the next word. What are the odds, lol

[Fauxia]

Lots of people have been rude before and I’m pretty sure they are still commended, Yohannes. Everyone makes mistakes at some point. The fact that you made this thread may show exactly why you do deserve the commendation: remorse

[The Stalker]

Yea, I'd suggest you think it over.

But if you really still want one, that can easily be arranged.

[Fauxia]

Yea, I'd suggest you think it over.

But if you really still want one, that can easily be arranged.

That sounds ominous

[Laeral]

Your commendation was written for your in character activities. I've read the statement you made, and while it's certainly regrettable, you can;t stay on NationStates for years, participating at the level you have, without doing things you regret later on. Everyone makes mistakes like that in the heat of the moment; your misfortune is that it happened on NS instead of somewhere else. The commendation was for your various RP activities. You didn't undo your superb level of participation in NS just by writing some things you shouldn't have.

[Shazbotdom]

Hey now, you're not that much of a bad guy. We all have evil sides.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

Yea, I'd suggest you think it over.

But if you really still want one, that can easily be arranged.

That sounds ominous

Well I mean, Stalker is literally the NS embodiment of Lucifer.

[Lamoni]

I agree with everyone else here, Yohannes. You're showing remorse, which is not something that many people would publically do (with any ounce of sincerity). I don't think that we need to repeal your commendation for that, unless you really really want to.

[Maltropia]

Your commendation was written for your in character activities.

Well, the original author wrote it 'for in-character activities' but it was written because of out-of-character behaviour which made* Yohannes a role model, especially in the GE&T community. Obviously, the IC conditions on which the resolution was written and passed still stand, but if it's the case that Yoh's recent OOC conduct is so poor that it thoroughly undermines his current stature within the community, the commendation probably deserves another look.

However, as several people above have noted, a sincere apology goes a long way toward rectifying that. If this is the turning over of a new leaf, opening of a new chapter, buying of a new car etc. then there's no need to repeal what was a thoroughly well-deserved commendation and, in my opinion, a solid piece of writing.

Anyway, as I've always maintained - and this isn't to sling accusations, as I'd say this for anyone and any such thread - anyone who requests something in the SC doesn't deserve it, and I don't believe that this instance deserves an exception.

* 'made' in the past tense because I wrote this in 2012.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

I fully agree with the above posts (except the first two). I'd just like to add that in the interests of free debate, I see nothing wrong with people arguing with others and then changing their minds and arguing with themselves; indeed, it should be encouraged.

A person should not be defined by their past where they have distinguished their present from it.

[Fahran]

I met you a long time ago, Yohannes, almost back when I started playing NationStates. I was young, impressionable, and impetuous. My writing skills were meager; my political ideology unformed and punctuated by vague bigotries. To say it in a concise manner, I was a complete mess. You were something else altogether - confident, skillful, meticulous, artistic.

For a long time, I caught glimpses of your role-plays from afar. I was intrigued and impressed in equal measure, wholly enthralled by the immersive details of your well-wrought posts and overarching plot-lines. You, along with a few other prominent personages, motivated me to become a more exceptional writer and role-player, to dwell at length on my characterizations, my world building, and my stories. You, in some ways, taught me how to role-play, even without knowing it, just by happenstance and proximity. In my years on this website, I have yet to leave a tangible mark on the community as a whole, despite the wide girth of my acquaintance. I have yet to make anything concretely better by my presence. Eventually, to my unending excitement, I got to participate in a couple role-plays with you. Your behavior was always gentlemanly out-of-character and your in-character posts were as flawless as ever. My initial impression was correct.

In seven years, you've accomplished all that I believe every role-player, every NSer, should aspire to accomplish. You, more so than most, have toiled over and earned your commendation, both by in-character and out-of-character action. You have been a pillar of this community that we all love and enjoy when we're not eating our feelings on the couch and crying over a copy of Albert Camus's "The Myth of Sisyphus" because our boyfriend of three months dumped us. True story.

Your recent out-of-character actions may be worthy of criticism, but, by no means, do they erase all the good you have done or the enduring example you have set for every member of this community. Furthermore, your, albeit somewhat excessive, willingness to apologize and make amends for your rude or distasteful out-of-character behaviors demonstrates an earnest desire to do good and leave this community better than you found it. While I will not dispute your right to press for a repeal, I did wish to inform you that, in the event this repeal reaches quorum, I will oppose it with every ounce of vigor and passion I can muster and will work with my region's delegate to ensure that literally every single WA-aligned nation in my region votes against it and floods the Security Council with argumentation in attestation to your excellent character and virtuous achievements. I'll seek out every acquaintance I've made in my years of playing NationStates, every WA delegate who recalls my name with fondness, and ensure that they and their constituents vote against as well. I will bribe them with freshly-baked cheesecake if I have to and I'm an excellent baker.

By God, Yohannes, I assure you that, if this proposal ever comes to vote, it will not only lose, but that it will be so stupendous and egregious a loss that it will come to epitomize in resounding terms all those Security Council resolutions doomed for failure even before they attained quorum. So quit feeling sorry for yourself or hating yourself, which ever one it is. This esteemed (ha!) body has more important things to do than lead a pity party or a witch hunt.

You're great and I'm not going to let this happen. Absolutely not. Opposed, because I adore you and am apparently writing my Valentine's Day card late.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Greetings to the regulars of the Security Council sub forum,

I would like to ask for someone very influential in Security Council sub forum (and community), or a long-standing Security Council campaigner to draft a "Repeal Commend Yohannes".

The purpose of a condemnation or a commendation for a NationStates roleplayer is to recognise her or his role (the player behind the nation being roleplayed in NationStates) as a role model in the broadly defined NationStates roleplaying community.

I have failed to be a role model through my arrogant attitude, politically incorrect comments, and argumentative out of character nature at times (long story short; if any possible author is interested, they can browse my forum posting history).

I have thus decided that I do not deserve a commendation and would be happy to have anyone be interested to work on a repeal of Security Council Resolution # 149 Commend Yohannes.

If any future author of a repeal draft/resolution would like evidence for my request/approval/permission, I urge them to link future World Assembly voters to this thread.

Thank you very much and I am sorry if this [sub forum] is not the right place for this kind of requests.

-E and Y

Edit: I will think it over. To Apostate, Queen Yuno, Fauxia, and The Stalker, thank you for the advice!

Commendations are rare, and if you think you don't deserve them, put this nation on the back burner, activate a puppet, and keep that nation around as a monument to 'the Yohannes that once was'. Repealing a commendation is only done if the person in question has done something especially egregious, which you haven't. We all get angry sometimes, and political correctness isn't always essential.

(Besides, we have so many "liberate this non-passworded region, please" proposals that introducing this, especially if it reaches quorum, would just clutter up the place for no good reason.)

[Yohannes]

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After much thought and consideration, I have chosen to follow my heart. Since I have decided to open up and reveal myself since 2017 (dropping subtle hints here and there), I have thought about this for quite a wee while now. In the past, I had publicly opposed the commendation/condemnation of some National and International Roleplaying writers, because of grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. They were atrocious.

I value the importance of honesty and integrity. The Stalker, I would be grateful if you could arrange for the repeal of Security Council Resolution # 149 Commend Yohannes. The two principal reasons are as follows:

1. I’d like to apologise to Maltropia (I truly respect him), but the proposal contains bad grammar and poor writing style. It’s time for me to walk the talk. If Security Council Resolution # 149 was created for another N&I RP writer, I’d probably oppose it on that ground alone.

2. In-Character, the original proposal assumed that 2012 was the height of Yohannes in the NationStates National and International Roleplaying World. I’ll be honest: If In-Character (IC) Yohannes in 2019 somehow meets IC Yohannes in 2012, IC Yohannes 2019 would easily demolish IC Yohannes 2012—including all of IC Yohannes 2012’s allied countries/N&I RP writers—with one hand tied behind its back. Both Out-of-Character (OOC) and IC, Yohannes in N&I RP is at its absolute strongest now—not 2012.

The Stalker, would you be able to repeal Security Council Resolution # 149?

[Unibot III]

I would agree to do the repeal, but that would only be a thinly veiled attempt at sabotaging it altogether.

[Yohannes]

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I've just received a new telegram from the member of an influential Gameplay region. The (good) question was:

[ Removed to protect the person’s privacy ]
5 hours ago
Hey Yohannes!

Long time no talk. I just happened to read your thread about having your commendation repealed - do you mind if I ask in-depth (beyond the stuff on the forum) as to why that is so - especially why you've changed your mind?

Best regards,
[ Removed to protect the person’s privacy ]

My reply was:

Wired To → [ Removed to protect the person’s privacy ]
25 minutes ago
Hi [ Removed to protect the person’s privacy ]! The two principal reasons are as stated in the thread. Another reason is this: SC#149 Commend Yohannes was passed during the height of the Gameplay-Roleplay conflict (Liberate Haven drama). It was proposed to block a Gameplay-influenced SC proposal. I want a commendation based on community unity, not disunity

But, most importantly, it's about integrity. For instance, (and this is a good example), how can someone who couldn't difference differentiate between "it's and "its" (yes, surprisingly I've seen this happen many times before) or, say, doesn't know basic storytelling dialogue rules (e.g. "he said, she said") try to give other people advice on proper RP storytelling/writing? That would be the height of hypocrisy.

Recently, I helped someone from the Gameplay community (it makes me happy) with their Security Council proposal (draft) to commend a member of the NationStates community (current Security Council Resolution At Vote). I gave the author basic writing tips and helped the author with their proposal. Doing so made me realise that Security Council Resolution # 147 Commend Yohannes was a poor piece of writing; and it was hastily submitted for all the wrong reasons (i.e. to oppose Liberate Haven). It made me realise that I was a different person back then (Edit: If I could go back in time, I would say "no" to it)

I don't oppose commendation/condemnation of my In-Character N&I RP achievements on NationStates. But Security Council Resolution # 147 Commend Yohannes shouldn't have happened. With that said, I hereby invite any influential player from the Gameplay community to write a repeal of Commend Yohannes

[Weed]

I don't oppose commendation/condemnation of my In-Character N&I RP achievements on NationStates. But Security Council Resolution # 147 Commend Yohannes shouldn't have happened. With that said, I hereby invite any influential player from the Gameplay community to write a repeal of Commend Yohannes

Typically if someone comes to the WA and says that a resolution is poor quality and worth the eight days voting to repeal and replace there's a bit more meat to exactly why the original text is lacking. I can understand being dissatisfied with a bit of the background politics that isn't represented in the text, but to me it seems like that is under the bridge and what we are left with now is a nominee that is definitely deserving and the text. What is wrong with the text? Is there RP stuff omitted that shouldn't be? Is there stuff included that shouldn't? As a non-RPer reading it, I'm assuming all of the references in there (stock exchanges, armored vehicles, monetary policy, etc) are all aspects of your RPs that are in depth in ways that make you stand out as RPer. A quick look at your happenings and recent factbooks seems to indicate that's still true. I don't really see any poor grammar, there is a couple awkward word choices - but I often find I would use other words than authors. I don't really see anything glaring... Honestly, the text looks good to me. I suppose you could add a bit more details since the character limit (which this thing was right at) has been upped by 1500 characters in the years since this was voted on.

At this point, at least to me, it looks like you are the person that understands why this resolution is insufficient. Why don't you write the repeal? I have about 250k stamps with no good use at the moment, I'll campaign for it if you submit it.

EDITED for clarity.

[British Hifax]

''...Yohannes in N&I RP is at its absolute strongest now...''

lol #doubts

[Yohannes]

I don't oppose commendation/condemnation of my In-Character N&I RP achievements on NationStates. But Security Council Resolution # 147 Commend Yohannes shouldn't have happened. With that said, I hereby invite any influential player from the Gameplay community to write a repeal of Commend Yohannes

Typically if someone comes to the WA and says that a resolution is poor quality and worth the eight days voting to repeal and replace there's a bit more meat to exactly why the original text is lacking. I can understand being dissatisfied with a bit of the background politics that isn't represented in the text, but to me it seems like that is under the bridge and what we are left with now is a nominee that is definitely deserving and the text. What is wrong with the text? Is there RP stuff omitted that shouldn't be? Is there stuff included that shouldn't? As a non-RPer reading it, I'm assuming all of the references in there (stock exchanges, armored vehicles, monetary policy, etc) are all aspects of your RPs that are in depth in ways that make you stand out as RPer. A quick look at your happenings and recent factbooks seems to indicate that's still true. I don't really see any poor grammar, there is a couple awkward word choices - but I often find I would use other words than authors. I don't really see anything glaring... Honestly, the text looks good to me. I suppose you could add a bit more details since the character limit (which this thing was right at) has been upped by 1500 characters in the years since this was voted on.

At this point, at least to me, it looks like you are the person that understands why this resolution is insufficient. Why don't you write the repeal? I have about 250k stamps with no good use at the moment, I'll campaign for it if you submit it.

EDITED for clarity.

Hi Topid! There are some glaring mistakes. The most obvious one was “wherin.” There’s no such thing as “wherin” in English—it should be “wherein.” Another one was “400 nations” and “one hundred nations.” One to nine (or ten, or twenty), depending on the style guide, should be spelled out, but above should be written as numerals. For some creative writing (e.g. storytelling, novel), you can actually do it both ways (spelling or number), but if you’re going to choose one style, you must stick to it.

That said, I received a telegram from someone from the Gameplay community whom I hold in high regard, asking me to abandon this. I couldn’t ignore his their pleading. Also, Maltropia (who has done so many things for the N&I RP community) is the author of this proposal. After I stepped down as II RP Mentor in 2012, I looked up to him, because I thought he would steer the Global Economics and Trade ship forward. To continue with this ... no matter how bad this piece of writing is, would be like ignoring his hard work and effort.

[ Edit: To (try to) not go off topic, I have moved this question to telegram. ]

Edit3: And no Topid, I was not planning for a replacement. I love writing on NationStates (N&I RP). A commendation/condemnation badge was not what I was looking for (and still is not my focus) when I started In-Character Yohannes in 2010

Edit4: For transparency purposes, I’ve decided to copy and paste the telegram here. But we’ve agreed not to explore this further in this thread (so we will stay on topic)

Wired To → Weed
57 minutes ago
Hi Topid! I admire your works (Gameplay), and I understand that you’re a non-RPer. Please allow me to explain the reasons (historical RP community context) behind my decision to consider this repeal. Have you ever heard of Automagfreek, Lyras, Praetonia, or Questers?

The ✌ Minarchy ✌ of Weed
39 minutes ago
Yes to the first two, no to the second.

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Wired To → Weed
4 minutes ago
Long story short. They were the ones running the show (N&I RP). For many reasons (some, rule breaking related; others, inactivity; others, In-Character and Out-of-Character they were overtaken by other player/nation), slowly the list became one: Lyras as the hegemon. Yes, there were many N&I RP communities, but for official NationStates forum Lyras was the absolute (Out-of-Character and In-Character) hegemon by the start of the new forum period (2009). That is, he may not interact with some other players/countries, but if he did end up participate OOC or IC in your thread, you know that he will be able to influence it (OOC or IC), one way or another.

Long story short, just like real-life history, the Lyran Peace finally came to an end. It was gradual (decline started in mid 2012), but his OOC and IC fall from (hegemon) position was rapid in 2014; and by late 2014, you have no existing hegemon to maintain OOC or IC "order." That was why you've got some Mentors (who were originally simply community greeters, not there to tell people how to write, etc.) trying to push ideological guides (there's nothing wrong with this,by the way) to fill the vacuum left by Lyras and others representing his style of OOC and IC worldbuilding/RP. Ancient regions such as Greater Dienstad and Gholgoth slowly lost their hegemonic positions around this time also. There were many criticisms and respects were lost (loss of credibility due to the rise of realism, intelligent individuals realising many things were wrong, etc.)

I seized the initiative in 2014 to accept my faults and changed my style of RPing. I also stick to abiding the rules of NationStates. Some moments were heated, but I love NationStates and I'd always respect Moderator decisions (unlike some previous IC hegemons who became arrogant due to their community influence). It was hard but in the end it paid off. 2013-2016 was probably my lowest OOC and IC point on NationStates, but now because of my willingness to accept change and adapt, IC Yohannes is now the sole hegemon. This may be subjective, but tell any of the prominent RPers to declare war on me (any of the commended/condemned ones, or any of the RP Mentors). Tell them to challenge me (In-Character by declaring war, or Out-of-Character). No one will, and they know why.

When Lyras was hegemon, he failed to do what was right ... things which I myself did when I was riding his wave (I benefitted from my association with him both OOC and IC). Now that I am the undisputed sole hegemon in open-world N&I RP (and to an extent, OOC closed-world N&I RP, where some closed-world regions look at my In-Character writings closely to see any mistakes/learn from what I'm doing to see if they can incorporate some similar things for their closed-world nations, etc.), I want to make sure that I'm not making the same mistakes Lyras did make. I have to be transparent with the communities of N&I RP. I have to lead by examples. Repealing a seriously flawed resolution (which had benefitted me) would be one way of doing it. To show that I do walk the talk (and I actually believe and I will do so because I believe in integrity)

Lyras' role as hegemon started in 2008/2009 and ended 2012-2013. Just like real-life examples, history will repeat itself. In-Character (and Out-of-Character) Yohannes' role as hegemon -- a "Yohannesian Peace", similar to Pax Britannica -- will also end, from seeing Lyras' (or before that, Automagfreek's/Praetonia's/Questers') example, probably 3-4 years (2019-2022). I can make a lasting impression. A "Yohannesian Peace" will not be the same as a Lyran Peace before it, or AMF/Questers/Praetonia peace before it. During my role as hegemon, I will make sure that I won't interfere in other open-world RP communities' fun and try to influence their stuff. I won't try to push "my way of writing" or "this way of worldbuilding" or "stratocracy is realistic" or "Parliament is proper." I'm not here to tell people to go open-world or closed-world. I love watching other players writing on NationStates. I love to read other people's threads (to have a wee laugh, for the funny/spammy ones) or to learn from them or see their points of view for the interesting ones). In-Character, I'm concentrating only on trade and commerce, and military only to protect my trade interests (and foreign investments) in real-life players' countries out there. I won't contribute to OOC drama about wars, realism this, fantasy that, etc. (as had happened many times during Lyran Peace, Automagfreek Peace, Praetonia/Questers Peace, etc.). My role as hegemon will see peace and harmony, both OOC and IC, unless certain people want to create problems and try to oppose me (unfairly by using many alternate accounts or other dodgy methods, like what a certain person did back in 2011), both OOC and IC

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[WayNeacTia]

Hey man, if you don't want the commend then you should repeal it. Support.