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[Draft] Commend The Rejected Realms

Postby Hogwarts Pride » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:58 pm

Recongizing that The Rejected Realms has been instrumental in the betterment of the International community and is the Only non-rejection zone within the International Community.

Appaulding the work done by The Rejected Realms to aid in defending and liberating other regions from raiders via the Rejected Realms Army.

Honoring that The Rejected Realms has provided aid and refugee to countless nations that have been rejected from their native regions or have been victims of raider invasions.

Acknowledging that The Rejected Realms has developed its own highly structured culture and government and is an example of free and fair regional elections and government.

Stating that many nations that have been in The Rejected Realms have gone on to rise to prominence in many other regions due to The Rejected Realms providing lessons and opportunities to those nations.

Hereby commends The Rejected Realms in honor of their achievements and contributions to the International Community.
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Postby Ransium » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:16 pm

Your final clause violates R3 since you encourage the commendation of the region you don’t actually come out and commend it. Just change it to:

Hereby commends The Rejected Realms.

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Hogwarts Pride wrote:Recongizing that The Rejected Realms has been instrumental in the betterment of the International community and is the Only non-rejection zone within the International Community.

Appaulding the work done by The Rejected Realms to aid in defending and liberating other regions from raiders via the Rejected Realms Army.

Honoring that The Rejected Realms has provided aid and refugee to countless nations that have been rejected from their native regions or have been victims of raider invasions.

Acknowledging that The Rejected Realms has developed its own highly structured culture and government and is an example of free and fair regional elections and government.

Stating that many nations that have been in The Rejected Realms have gone on to rise to prominence in many other regions due to The Rejected Realms providing lessons and opportunities to those nations.

Hereby commends The Rejected Realms in honor of their achievements and contributions to the International Community.


Ambassador Amelia, though visibly disappointed by the bill, clears her throat and, in a respectful tone says "Though the Rejected Realms is a vast region and its community has been welcoming to newcomers with many of its members eagerly helping nations just starting out or needing some advice, I do not believe this reasoning is enough to give it a formal commendation."

She takes her quill and underlines third clause of the bill in a passive-aggressive manner, "And the clause 'honoring that The Rejected Realms has provided aid and refugee to countless nations that have been rejected from their native regions or have been victims of raider invasions,' is not necessarily true. In fact, to me, that is grossly over-exaggerating the Rejected Realms' membership. It could very well be the case that a nation joins the Rejected Realms because they were ejected from their former region after acting offensive to other members of the region or because they were a raider, traitor, or a troll."

"Unless you can give specific, commendable actions the region has made - not this vague nonsense - whether that be making strides to help other regions against raiders, or authoring World Assembly legislation that has proven to be vastly beneficial to others, I see no reason to support this proposal." In all capital letters, she writes OPPOSED onto her copy of the proposal before sliding it onto Hogwarts Pride's ambassador's desk.
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:57 pm

Ransium is right.

First things first: Rejects unite! Never let the bastards grind you down.

There's a lot that you cover with this commendation that you haven't:

  • The Rejected Realms Army (RRA) is the oldest extant army in NationStates - kicking ass and taking names since May 28 2003.
  • The region's newspaper, The Rejected Times is arguably the most established media outlet in NationStates.
  • TRR was a serious diplomatic player within two major organizations, the ADN and the FRA.
  • The Rejected Realms spent an inordinate amount of its diplomatic prowess giving Francos Spain, the middle finger - and we're pretty proud of that. When refugees came flooding in from the Pacific, the North Pacific, and Lazarus during the NPO's invasions, we've always tried to fill a role as a refuge for the disenfranchised.
  • The Rejected Realms Issue Committee has successfully authored and contributed a number of issues to NS.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:09 pm

Unibot III wrote:Ransium is right.

First things first: Rejects unite! Never let the bastards grind you down.

There's a lot that you cover with this commendation that you haven't:

  • The Rejected Realms Army (RRA) is the oldest extant army in NationStates - kicking ass and taking names since May 28 2003.


Sorry Unibot, I hate to shoot you down but this fact is wrong.

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The response to our old friend BeneTom and his query about TRR is that Texas and the TDF existed before The Rejected Realms were even a glint in Max's eye. As a matter of fact, TRR did not exist until Tuesday, April 29, 2003. We remember the day well. There is a News Item: Regional Control. Needless to say, they did not have an Army for quite some time.

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Postby Unibot III » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:31 pm

April 27, actually. Max was a couple of days late on the blog post.

No worries. I don't see any paper trail supporting TDF's existence prior to 2004 though, but I'll take Big Tex's word for it.

RRA is still dirt old.

(And tell the big man to respond to my tgs. :P)
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:38 pm

Unibot III wrote:April 27, actually. Max was a couple of days late on the blog post.

No worries. I don't see any paper trail supporting TDF's existence prior to 2004 though, but I'll take Big Tex's word for it.

RRA is still dirt old.

(And tell the big man to respond to my tgs. :P)

Lol, I will. As to the paper trail, Big Tex once said they had a forum before their current one but its been lost to the ether.
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:48 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
Unibot III wrote:April 27, actually. Max was a couple of days late on the blog post.

No worries. I don't see any paper trail supporting TDF's existence prior to 2004 though, but I'll take Big Tex's word for it.

RRA is still dirt old.

(And tell the big man to respond to my tgs. :P)

Lol, I will. As to the paper trail, Big Tex once said they had a forum before their current one but its been lost to the ether.


Oh, I didn't know that. Poor thing.
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Postby Aglrinia » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:01 pm

Hogwarts Pride wrote:Recongizing that The Rejected Realms has been instrumental in the betterment of the International community and is the Only non-rejection zone within the International Community.


You’re accentuating something that they were never given a choice in. You might as well be giving them a participation award.

Hogwarts Pride wrote:Honoring that The Rejected Realms has provided aid and refugee to countless nations that have been rejected from their native regions or have been victims of raider invasions.

Acknowledging that The Rejected Realms has developed its own highly structured culture and government and is an example of free and fair regional elections and government.

Stating that many nations that have been in The Rejected Realms have gone on to rise to prominence in many other regions due to The Rejected Realms providing lessons and opportunities to those nations.

Hereby commends The Rejected Realms in honor of their achievements and contributions to the International Community.


Have you tried to join the Rejected Realms as an outsider? Their discord might as well be a gated community, I was banned by an administrator for not so much as saying a word. The administrator lied to me put on a facade and acted like they weren’t an administrator then went about their business. While after attempting to use a Rejected Realms forum account created in 2014 which made zero posts I had less rights logged in on the forum then I did logged out.

If they truly believe in rehabilitation they should welcome everyone and stand by the fact that the Rejected Realms is an ejection and banjection free zone and not discriminate based on history. If you’re looking for a game created region to commend, commend The East Pacific. It’s the most welcoming game created region on the site and helps incorporate its members into the game. The Rejected Realms has somehow managed to become an elitist community, and has lost site of the fact that it’s literally composed of the Rejected.

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Also you misspelled Recognizing and Applauding.
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Postby The Grand Puffle Republic » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:14 pm

I believe The Rejected Realms has a difficult role in NS, and they have handled this quite wonderfully. I support their commendation, however, this commendation needs some more drafting.
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Postby Nightkill » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:47 pm

A TRR commendation was tried before and failed, largely I think due to it possibly attracting everyone to commend every GCR. I think >_<
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:36 pm

This seems to have been submitted. I'm not against commending TRR, but this commendation doesn't have enough information in it.
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Postby He Qixin » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:53 pm

OOC: Not a bad draft you got there... lemme analyze.

Hogwarts Pride wrote:Recongizing that The Rejected Realms has been instrumental in the betterment of the International community and is the Only non-rejection zone within the International Community.


"Recongizing" should be "Recognizing". Also, I don't see why you should capitalize "only".

Hogwarts Pride wrote:Appaulding the work done by The Rejected Realms to aid in defending and liberating other regions from raiders via the Rejected Realms Army.


Again, "Appaulding" should be "Applauding". Be careful of such a mistake for future proposals, because there's a rule which states that proposals must be written in clear English.

Hogwarts Pride wrote:Honoring that The Rejected Realms has provided aid and refugee to countless nations that have been rejected from their native regions or have been victims of raider invasions.

Acknowledging that The Rejected Realms has developed its own highly structured culture and government and is an example of free and fair regional elections and government.

Stating that many nations that have been in The Rejected Realms have gone on to rise to prominence in many other regions due to The Rejected Realms providing lessons and opportunities to those nations.

Didn't see any mistakes there. Good job!

Hogwarts Pride wrote:Hereby commends The Rejected Realms in honor of their achievements and contributions to the International Community.


As stated by Ransium, this clause violates Rule 3 since it does not actually commend The Rejected Realms due to the extra information; in other words, it is like this clause has no operative clause. Just state"Hereby commends The Rejected Realms".

All in all, not a bad proposal. However, I'd suggest withdrawing this proposal and address the feedback given by me and other posters of this thread. This needs more drafting, and though a TRR Commendation has been tried and failed before, I'm not against this commendation. However, just because of that, if you want to commend TRR, you need to write down more information so that your argument would be stronger and make people convinced that TRR has really done something that should be recognized via commendation and change most of their votes to "For" instead.
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Postby Ransium » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:17 pm

Actually it’s R3 compliant as it’s clearly only commending the region. Remember that legal does not mean it’ll pass though.

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Lenlyvit wrote:This seems to have been submitted. I'm not against commending TRR, but this commendation doesn't have enough information in it.

I share this sentiment.
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Postby He Qixin 2 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:05 pm

Ransium wrote:Actually it’s R3 compliant as it’s clearly only commending the region.

Oh okay

Ransium wrote:Remember that legal does not mean it’ll pass though.

yeah
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This was submitted... why?
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Fauxia wrote:This was submitted... why?


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Postby He Qixin » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:50 pm

Fauxia wrote:This was submitted... why?

idk

but i asked them to withdraw it because there are a few mistakes in it already.
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Postby He Qixin » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:34 am

OOC: Since this proposal is unlikely to achieve quorum, I'd again suggest you to withdraw the proposal and address the feedback given by all posters in this thread, including me.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:44 pm

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Hogwarts Pride wrote:Recongizing that The Rejected Realms has been instrumental in the betterment of the International community and is the Only non-rejection zone within the International Community.


"Recongizing" should be "Recognizing". Also, I don't see why you should capitalize "only".


Well, at least it’s not ‘regognizing,’ right?

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Postby Trumpsupporter » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:58 am

Sound like it needs work

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Postby Kshrlmnt » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:58 am

First: "Applauding".

I don't say TRR might not be worth a commendation, but if it is it should be the community for what they've done with it, and not for the game mechanics that make it TRR. Not ejecting people and not being able to eject people are two different things.

There is potential historical and organizational reason to commend, but the thing that personally strikes me is that, beyond the "yadda yadda old defenders", it's been a rare place on-site where people on both sides of the R&D game can get together (albeit OOC) relatively peacefully.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:14 am

I'm all for commending my homeland, however this draft needs more meat on it.
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