[DEFEATED] Commend Auralia

[United Massachusetts]

This shall be submitted this weekend.

[Consular]

Given how many times this has been brought up and subsequently put down I'm sure it will be an interesting vote.

I'm not as opposed as I used to be.

[Wrapper]

Still have those "Disapproving" and "Believing" lines in there I see. Well, as promised, I'll support this as written.

Third clause, the phrase "among which include" is inherently redundant. Just use "including" in that instance. Same in the next clause, "among these twenty resolutions include". I'd use "among these twenty resolutions are".

[United Massachusetts]

This has been submitted.

[Tinhampton]

This has been submitted.

This has also been unsubmitted, apparently:

35 minutes ago: The Roman Catholic Commonwealth of United Massachusetts withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Commend Auralia".

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

This has been submitted.

This has also been unsubmitted, apparently:

35 minutes ago: The Roman Catholic Commonwealth of United Massachusetts withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Commend Auralia".

Weird. Why did you unsubmit it, UM?

[Alkasia]

I wasn't around for the self-commend fiasco, but as far as I can tell, that was years ago and should not negate the contributions the nominee has made to the community. Personally for this commendation, but XKI will decide how I vote as per usual.

[Cute Puppies]

OOC: The biggest issue I have with this commendation is Auralia's continued non-compliance with a handful of GA resolutions. His non-compliance mocks and undermines the World Assembly's authority. It's also ironic that one of the biggest reasons for his commendation in this proposal is for his GA authorship despite that.

[Tim-Opolis]

Other reasons against Auralia's commendation aside, I struggle to see the logic behind commending someone for their GA work if they refuse to comply with GA regulations.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Other reasons against Auralia's commendation aside, I struggle to see the logic behind commending someone for their GA work if they refuse to comply with GA regulations.

I was commended for my work in the GA and I literally rewrote the rules to allow acknowledging non-compliance in resolutions :/

[Tim-Opolis]

Other reasons against Auralia's commendation aside, I struggle to see the logic behind commending someone for their GA work if they refuse to comply with GA regulations.

I was commended for my work in the GA and I literally rewrote the rules to allow acknowledging non-compliance in resolutions :/

To be fair, Glen, I would have voted against your commendation on similar non-compliance grounds if that was the case. I don't pretend to actually care about the GA, but it just feels to me that someone commended for GA work should be compliant with the GA. If I'm way off the mark with this line of thinking, I'm happy to hear counter-points (assuming they're not just a bunch of NatSov rambling).

[New-Brussels]

I was commended for my work in the GA and I literally rewrote the rules to allow acknowledging non-compliance in resolutions :/

To be fair, Glen, I would have voted against your commendation on similar non-compliance grounds if that was the case. I don't pretend to actually care about the GA, but it just feels to me that someone commended for GA work should be compliant with the GA. If I'm way off the mark with this line of thinking, I'm happy to hear counter-points (assuming they're not just a bunch of NatSov rambling).

It's just because taking core NS gameplay into account in the WA is inherently castrating to the WA's own gameplay.

[Cute Puppies]

This has also been unsubmitted, apparently:

35 minutes ago: The Roman Catholic Commonwealth of United Massachusetts withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Commend Auralia".

Weird. Why did you unsubmit it, UM?

To resign from the WA, refound Lazarene Pilgrimage, and spam all Christian regions to start a communi- Christian revolution in Lazarus. Essentially UM wants to raid Lazarus and overthrow the existing authority to make Lazarous a christian minecraft server.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I was commended for my work in the GA and I literally rewrote the rules to allow acknowledging non-compliance in resolutions :/

To be fair, Glen, I would have voted against your commendation on similar non-compliance grounds if that was the case. I don't pretend to actually care about the GA, but it just feels to me that someone commended for GA work should be compliant with the GA. If I'm way off the mark with this line of thinking, I'm happy to hear counter-points (assuming they're not just a bunch of NatSov rambling).

Basically it boils down to whether you treat the GA as a roleplaying institution or not. I'm of the mind that non-compliance makes the GA more realistic. Not every UN Resolution is complied with by all member countries, for example. How that's dealt with is that non-complying states should suffer consequences diplomatically, and that depends entirely on their power/prestige in the institution. How it's been dealt with in the GA is people arguing back and forth on the premise of non-compliance being possible in the first place.

Auralia's noncompliance tends to stem from the roleplayed country being a highly conservative Christian country. If the real-world UN were to pass a resolution saying same-sex marriages have to be recognized, then Russia would almost certainly ignore it. If we're trying to roleplay with realism in the GA, then why wouldn't we accept the possibility of Auralia ignoring it?

The way I roleplayed Glen-Rhodes, being a social democracy, the country most likely was in violation of several pro-business/anti-regulation GA resolutions (like, say, National Economic Freedoms). I know there were some specific incidences where I announced Glen-Rhodes wouldn't comply with a resolution, and there were valid in-universe reasons why.

Non-compliance a la Gatesville (the WA is stupid and should be destroyed) is rightly laughed off as godmoding. But realistic noncompliance shouldn't be, and that's why it's allowed to be acknowledged in the GA roleplay universe. Those who object to noncompliance haven't really caught up and developed an in-universe way to combat it. Like I said, they usually just argue that it shouldn't be allowed under the OOC rules.

[Tinhampton]

Weird. Why did you unsubmit it, UM?

To resign from the WA, refound Lazarene Pilgrimage, and spam all Christian regions to start a communi- Christian revolution in Lazarus. Essentially UM wants to raid Lazarus and overthrow the existing authority to make Lazarous a christian minecraft server.

Fake News^TM. Lazarene Pilgrimage was created on the wee hours of Tuesday (BST); Commend Auralia was removed from the floor on Sunday. Besides, I believe that Liberate TEP was still at vote despite Failigarchy's resigning from the WA shortly after submission.

[Lenlyvit]

To resign from the WA, refound Lazarene Pilgrimage, and spam all Christian regions to start a communi- Christian revolution in Lazarus. Essentially UM wants to raid Lazarus and overthrow the existing authority to make Lazarous a christian minecraft server.

Fake News^TM. Lazarene Pilgrimage was created on the wee hours of Tuesday (BST); Commend Auralia was removed from the floor on Sunday. Besides, I believe that Liberate TEP was still at vote despite Failigarchy's resigning from the WA shortly after submission.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=30379903

Edit 1:
4/23/2018, 8:30:43 PM EDT: United Massachusetts resigned from the World Assembly.

4/23/2018, 8:58:34 PM EDT: Lazarene Pilgrimage was admitted to the World Assembly.
4/23/2018, 8:33:24 PM EDT: Lazarene Pilgrimage applied to join the World Assembly.

Edit 2: A resolution will stay on the floor, and stay submitted, even if the author resigns WA.

[Tinhampton]

Fake News^TM. Lazarene Pilgrimage was created on the wee hours of Tuesday (BST); Commend Auralia was removed from the floor on Sunday. Besides, I believe that Liberate TEP was still at vote despite Failigarchy's resigning from the WA shortly after submission.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=30379903

Edit 1:
4/23/2018, 8:30:43 PM EDT: United Massachusetts resigned from the World Assembly.

4/23/2018, 8:58:34 PM EDT: Lazarene Pilgrimage was admitted to the World Assembly.
4/23/2018, 8:33:24 PM EDT: Lazarene Pilgrimage applied to join the World Assembly.

Edit 2: A resolution will stay on the floor, and stay submitted, even if the author resigns WA.

I don't deny the reality of the Pilgrimage WAmmigration. It is just that it seems unlikely that the Pilgrimage is the real reason for the withdrawal of this proposal.

[United Massachusetts]

I can confirm that Pilgrimage was not the reason for withdrawing the proposal. It was because I doubted it would reach quorum.

Weird. Why did you unsubmit it, UM?

To resign from the WA, refound Lazarene Pilgrimage, and spam all Christian regions to start a communi- Christian revolution in Lazarus. Essentially UM wants to raid Lazarus and overthrow the existing authority to make Lazarous a christian minecraft server.

This is kind of hilarious. Yes, I'm making a play for establishing a Christian Lazarus. But I'd hardly say that my proposed state is "communi-" anything, nor does Lazarus have an "existing" authority to overthrow. It's literally anarchy.

[Sciongrad]

Other reasons against Auralia's commendation aside, I struggle to see the logic behind commending someone for their GA work if they refuse to comply with GA regulations.

I never really understood the logic of this argument. First of all, Auralia wouldn't be the first GA player to be recognized for their contributions to the GA despite failing to comply fully with all of its resolution in-character. He wouldn't even be the second. Glen-Rhodes and Kenny are two excellent GA players that roleplayed some level of IC non-compliance and have both been commended. But more fundamentally, I don't even know why IC non-compliance should disqualify someone from recognition for their contributions to the GA. It seems to me that it is typically the players that know very little about the GA who chime in once in a while to describe IC non-compliance as some type of cardinal sin. It really isn't. Several GA resolutions contemplate the possibility of non-compliance. GenSec precedent recognizes the possibility of IC non-compliance. IC non-compliance is not heterodox. The only issue with IC non-compliance is that the majority of players that practice it do so lazily. Auralia's approach to non-compliance is as thorough and meticulous as either Glen-Rhodes or Kenny. If you dislike Auralia's political views, say so, and vote against a commendation on those grounds. Don't hold him to standards that don't and shouldn't exist.

[Tinhampton]

Snipstiano Ronaldo

I believe that Kenny was actually the target of the first national Condemnation. You make very good points regardless, as is expected from a GenSeccer.

[Discoveria]

Dissapproving of the Auralian attempt to self-commend, an unfortunate lapse in the judgement of the typically upright Auralian delegation, for which they have apologized,

Believing, however, that one mistake ought not to drown out the achievements of one of this Assembly's most prolific authors,

I see these lines are present to secure the support of some players. I'd suggest that they shouldn't be the last clauses in the resolution, which makes it read like a backhanded compliment.

Regarding role-played noncompliance, which I'd suggest has always been one of the creative avenues open to GA players as a form of protest against badly written resolutions etc., the Utopian Commonwealth has always held that certain Auralian positions wouldn't be legitimate RP positions since we all assume that WA enforcement is effective. So with that in mind, Auralia isn't really noncompliant on those issues despite their claims to the contrary.

[United Massachusetts]

bump

[Fauxia]

Still support this

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

I am supporting this. Aurelia should be commended for authoring multiple resolution that help our world

[Lord Dominator]

Support, never seen a decent reason to oppose