DRAFT: A resolution to condemn Frisbeeteria

[Pro Life-2017]

What do you guys think of the draft resolution below?:

Condemn Frisbeeteria

Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Pro Life-2017

A resolution to condemn The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria for the following reasons is hereby resolved:

A: The The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria has made its mission to impede the pro life work of The Federation of Pro-Life 2017.

B: The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria has done this by spreading lies and libelous stories about The Federation of Pro Life 2017.

C: The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria have abuse their power and respect in the community to degrade the standing of The Federation of Pro Life 2017, by spreading libelous story's, Frisbeeteria has abused his power as a respected member of the community. Frisbeeteria has influence, respect, and standing in the community, which he is using to degrade the standing of The Federation of Pro Life 2017, via spreading libelous story's.

Therefore, The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria is hereby condemned.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Ok, first off, wrong place. You want the Security Counsel. Second, one of the few things I know about its rule set is that a staff member cannot be commended/condemned for doing their job. Third, I'd say you don't have much standing in the first place.

[Willania Imperium]

What do you guys think of the proposed resolution below?:

A resolution to condemn The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria for the following reasons is hereby resolved:

A: The The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria has made its mission to impede the pro life work of The Federation of Pro-Life 2017.

B: The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria has done this by spreading lies and libelous stories about The Federation of Pro Life 2017 in the forums,

C: The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria have abuse their power and respect in the community to degrade the standing of The Federation of Pro Life 2017

Therefore, The Dizzy Flying Saucers of Doom of
Frisbeeteria is hereby condemned.

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Or here is the link: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1512868884

OOC: First off, this isn’t the right place to post it. This is the GA. This is not where we write proposals to condemn someone. That is a job for the SC.

Second, are you serious? Are you willing to take this grudge to new heights? Condemning someone over a petty grudge like this is childish. Just because you consider them to have insulted you doesn’t act as a logical reason to condemn them. And the mods have already told you your image wasn’t being damaged by Fris! Why continue with this?

Third, your reasons are absolutely mad! They all seem to have been stretched and twisted from reality! The mods told you Fris didn’t do what you claim, yet you hold onto that low as if they said nothing!

And fourth, you’ve submitted it without our review? Are you kidding me? These 3 reasons before will sink your submission before it even expires! Without peer review, you have left this mistakes go through and ruin your proposal without any hope of being successful. This was a big mistake.

Listen, give this up. It’s doomed to fail. Might as well jump ship before it crashes.

[Ransium]

Moved to the SC. I don’t think this is legal from an R1 and R2c from your third point.

[Milwalkiee]

Zopyros Pottio enters the room in a brisk pace.

"Alright. Let's get this over with. I've got more resolutions to look over."

"Sir, your next appointment isn't for 45 minutes," his advisor Jackie Numblie says.

"I don't care. Listen, this whole pro-life things is a really debatable subject, it really is, but this is the Security Council. We condemn, commend, and liberate. We don't argue over some nation's stance on an issue just because they don't agree with you. As far as I've seen, and heard from my colleague, Demetra Pachis, Frisbeeteria has done nothing wrong legally. They're allowed to have a different opinion from you, just as you are from me. Not to mention, Frisbeeteria is taking time out of their own schedule to help make sure there aren't a bunch of illegal stuff happening around here. Condemning them would be like saying that we need anarchy because moderation is pointless since they have an opinion," he pauses, looks out the window and proceeds,"That's about it. If you've got any more questions, contact my office. Now where's my coffee?!?"

[Wrapper]

Moved to the SC. I don’t think this is legal from an R1 and R2c from your third point.

That was my gut reaction on first reading, but that is not necessarily the case. If the author believes that Fris has abused his power as a moderator then the proposal is illegal under Rules 1 and 2c, and the proper way to address such abuse is to file a GHR with all the pertinent evidence. If the author believes that the nation of Frisbeeteria has abused its “power” in some other manor, e.g. pushing a particular agenda while an influential political power in its region or elsewhere, then the proposal would be legal.

So, to the author, please provide some evidence to back up your claim in clause C.

[Pro Life-2017]

I have just withdrawn this proposal from the Security Council, because further drafting in this forum is required.

I have made some changes in line with your guys suggestions. Please check out the new draft.

Thank you guys for all the feedback.

[Kenmoria]

"The reasons for this commendation are, quite frankly, utterly unjustifiable. This is below the Keshiland delegation's quality. It also almost definitely breaches at least one of the august body's rules. Onto the actual statements of this proposal: firstly, clause A means nothing as far as I'm concerned. Frisbeertia has opposed many bad drafts, not just yours. Clause B is even worse as it is factually incorrect in many levels. Please list at least one libellous story about you. Finally, clause C doesn't have any real meaning as the federation never had any community standing to begin with, something this proposal certainly isn't helping, ambassador."

(OOC edit: the improved version of clause C is definitely illegal as it directly references his standing as a monitor. Just put 'community standing' and be done with it. Also, the above paragraph is purely IC and I wouldn't say half the things I said there in real life.)

[Pro Life-2017]

"The reasons for this commendation are, quite frankly, utterly unjustifiable. This is below the Keshiland delegation's quality. It also almost definitely breaches at least one of the august body's rules. Onto the actual statements of this proposal: firstly, clause A means nothing as far as I'm concerned. Frisbeertia has opposed many bad drafts, not just yours. Clause B is even worse as it is factually incorrect in many levels. Please list at least one libellous story about you. Finally, clause C doesn't have any real meaning as the federation never had any community standing to begin with, something this proposal certainly isn't helping, ambassador."

(OOC edit: the improved version of clause C is definitely illegal as it directly references his standing as a monitor. Just put 'community standing' and be done with it. Also, the above paragraph is purely IC and I wouldn't say half the things I said there in real life.)

I just edited clause C, check it out

[Kenmoria]

"The reasons for this commendation are, quite frankly, utterly unjustifiable. This is below the Keshiland delegation's quality. It also almost definitely breaches at least one of the august body's rules. Onto the actual statements of this proposal: firstly, clause A means nothing as far as I'm concerned. Frisbeertia has opposed many bad drafts, not just yours. Clause B is even worse as it is factually incorrect in many levels. Please list at least one libellous story about you. Finally, clause C doesn't have any real meaning as the federation never had any community standing to begin with, something this proposal certainly isn't helping, ambassador."

(OOC edit: the improved version of clause C is definitely illegal as it directly references his standing as a monitor. Just put 'community standing' and be done with it. Also, the above paragraph is purely IC and I wouldn't say half the things I said there in real life.)

I just edited clause C, check it out

(OOC: now it is legal, though it still will never garner more that one approval.)

[Moronist Decisions]

Vehemently against. I don't get what is so deserving of a condemnation here, like the other posters. A one-on-one spat is not appropriate for WA action

Also, clause B violates rule 4(d) ("below is the post I am referencing")

[Ransium]

Vehemently against. I don't get what is so deserving of a condemnation here, like the other posters. A one-on-one spat is not appropriate for WA action

Also, clause B violates rule 4(d) ("below is the post I am referencing")

I agree clause b now violates 4d, in particular the use of “post.” Make into something that could also describe things occurring in a physical forum.

[Wrapper]

“Forums” in this context, where it clearly can only refer to the NS forums, is also illegal. Also, this now likely violates Rule 1, as the post you’re referring to was made with the authority of a Moderator.

[Milwalkiee]

Zopyros Pottio charges in, with a stack of papers in his right hand.

"Alright. Jackie! How much time do we have!"

"About 15 minutes, sir." His assistant replies.

"Make it 5. One for each point I'm about to make.
1. Referencing the forums is illegal, as previously stated
2. Quoting a post that was simply a manifesto of what Fisbeeteria's views are and twisting it is just rude, not to mention illegal
3. Claiming Frisbeeteria is abusing his power just by posting on the forums his views, which I repeat, he is allowed to do, is not a solid claim for a condemnation
4. There is not much solid evidence that Frisbeeteria is abusing their power, so it would be virtually impossible to get passed since there is no structure to the argument
And finally, 5. The entire argument is just a personal defense of beliefs and condemning someone because of strife caused by the legal ability to have your own views on a subject. How long was that?"

"3 minutes sir," Jackie says

"Good. That was quick. Now why's there so little coffee now a days?" Zopyros says on his way out of the room.

[Fauxia]

Is branding allowed in the SC?

[Frisbeeteria]

Pro Life-2017, are you still going on and on about that one post a couple weeks ago? I could easily rebut this silliness point by point, but I'll let the other players and mods tear this apart.

The best thing you could do at this point would be to engage in discussing your proposals instead of blaming the guy who pointed out your bad habits. Most of your threads have nothing more than the original post and a copypasta "thanks for your feedback" post several weeks later. Instead of "declaring war" (yes, I saw that too) and trying for a clearly illegal condemnation, you could be defending your ideologies and working on proposals.

You're wasting everyone's time with this nonsense. Go back to the General Assembly and pick one (yes, just one) of your proposals to resuscitate. Work on that for a change.

[Fauxia]

Pro Life-2017, are you still going on and on about that one post a couple weeks ago? I could easily rebut this silliness point by point, but I'll let the other players and mods tear this apart.

The best thing you could do at this point would be to engage in discussing your proposals instead of blaming the guy who pointed out your bad habits. Most of your threads have nothing more than the original post and a copypasta "thanks for your feedback" post several weeks later. Instead of "declaring war" (yes, I saw that too) and trying for a clearly illegal condemnation, you could be defending your ideologies and working on proposals.

You're wasting everyone's time with this nonsense. Go back to the General Assembly and pick one (yes, just one) of your proposals to resuscitate. Work on that for a change.

He’s gonna say you’re afraid of this, Fris

[Frisbeeteria]

He’s gonna say you’re afraid of this, Fris

Oh yes, I'm huddled in my man-cave in my Mom's basement, trembling in fear. Because that's what neckbeard moderators do, isn't it?

No, I'm simply not going to indulge this player's fantasies. I've given them good advice, which is what moderators are supposed to do. They can follow it, or they can continue to bloviate until they break enough rules to get other moderators to hand out warnings. As an involved party, I will (per NS Moderation rules) recuse myself from any rulings. I can still hand out advice, though.

[Willania Imperium]

OOC: It's still crap. Not only has it been deemed illegal by multiple nations, it still hasn't addressed my objections to it. Are you still willing to hold onto this childish "grudge" of yours over a lie? This is still bloody childish, no matter how much you improve it. You're still using this as your own way to get back at Fris, and that is not appropriate. Condemning someone over a little thing like this is just stupid and childish. Not only that, but the means do not justify the end. Condemning Fris over this grudge is something a little kid would do! And you've twisted it into some sort of mass campaign against you by Fris and an absolute abuse of its power! This is just idiotic and the idea is mad!

Listen, this is making me sick. Give this up before the last shreds of respect fall off when you continue this crap.

[Blood Wine]

Listen, this is making me sick. Give this up before the last shreds of respect fall off when you continue this crap.

Aaand there goes the last shred of respect

[Willania Imperium]

Listen, this is making me sick. Give this up before the last shreds of respect fall off when you continue this crap.

Aaand there goes the last shred of respect

Well, you've done it. You had to do it. You had to not only burn off any sense of logic in this situation, but burn off all respect with this act. Well, I can say to you this: you’ve crossed the Rubicon, and there’s no going back.

[Jar Wattinree]

It also breaks the site rules too. Cannot condemn or commend mods (or other staff) for their modly actions.

[Ransium]

I think the currently submitted draft is legal. It is vague enough that I can easily take it to mean Fris’s influence as a respected member of the WA community. Illustrative of this, “Condemn Invincten” uses near identical wording to discuss a non-staff members actions.

[Abhichandra]

I think the currently submitted draft is legal. It is vague enough that I can easily take it to mean Fris’s influence as a respected member of the WA community.

It uses the word "his" which is a 4(b) violation

Frisbeeteria has abused his power as a respected member of the community.

[Ransium]

Oh, good call. I was just looking at it from an R1 perspective. The shifting nature of the illegalities in the draft are hard to track.