[PASSED] Commend Tsunamy

[Jakker]

Is there some kind of new rule in place where if you didn't do enough in multiple regions, you aren't worthy of a commendation? Because if so that's a new one on me. Sure, multiple regions means more exposure, but that doesn't negate their body of work if they happened to do it mostly in just one region. A commendation's a commendation.

I'll read this over again, but it has my full support.

My point had nothing to do with players having to do achievements in multiple regions. I actually am all for players who have dedicated themselves to one region. With that said, there are a ton of players who have done a lot for their regions. Simply providing a lot of service to your region being commendable would mean that dozens upon dozens of nations should be commended. So I just feel a little iffy about that.

I also don't buy the argument that just because a player has done a lot for a GCR means more than a player who has done a lot for a UCR. (Not an argument that you were making, Todd, but it was the vibe I got from others). I am not opposed to this proposal necessarily. It just feels more like a bunch of region-specific accomplishments that TSP should recognize on their own. Or maybe it's just the vibe I get that if this all happened in a UCR, would people care? Just working through my feelings is all. There are a lot of resolutions that are similar so maybe that's just the way the SC is

[Kylia Quilor]

Or maybe it's just the vibe I get that if this all happened in a UCR, would people care?

I absolutely think this is the case here.

[Todd McCloud]

Or maybe it's just the vibe I get that if this all happened in a UCR, would people care?

I absolutely think this is the case here.

Give it a shot. Let's draft up a SC resolution for a worthy userite and see what totals one gets. I honestly think these days it's how the big regions vote and how well this is distributed prior to vote, so let's give it a fighting chance.

[Todd McCloud]

Is there some kind of new rule in place where if you didn't do enough in multiple regions, you aren't worthy of a commendation? Because if so that's a new one on me. Sure, multiple regions means more exposure, but that doesn't negate their body of work if they happened to do it mostly in just one region. A commendation's a commendation.

I'll read this over again, but it has my full support.

My point had nothing to do with players having to do achievements in multiple regions. I actually am all for players who have dedicated themselves to one region. With that said, there are a ton of players who have done a lot for their regions. Simply providing a lot of service to your region being commendable would mean that dozens upon dozens of nations should be commended. So I just feel a little iffy about that.

I also don't buy the argument that just because a player has done a lot for a GCR means more than a player who has done a lot for a UCR. (Not an argument that you were making, Todd, but it was the vibe I got from others). I am not opposed to this proposal necessarily. It just feels more like a bunch of region-specific accomplishments that TSP should recognize on their own. Or maybe it's just the vibe I get that if this all happened in a UCR, would people care? Just working through my feelings is all. There are a lot of resolutions that are similar so maybe that's just the way the SC is

I wasn't responding particularly to your post, just general sentiments I heard in the thread. We have had at least one nation commended solely for their accomplishments in one solitary region.

I share your sentiments in the second paragraph, to a point. Commendations shouldn't be about exposure, but should instead be about honestly doing good work in the game, be it just a region or all over the place. Sure one can go into specifics about quality or quantity, but that is not specifically correlated to exposure. We just need to make sure that these commendations are written well in such a manner that someone who is not in their region understands that what they did is good and meaningful.

I am still of the belief that there are plenty of nations worthy of a commendation, even though these things fail from time to time, and it's usually due to two reasons: they've made a few enemies along the way who happen to be very persuasive / powerful, or the commendation itself isn't written that well. The author has to kind of be a salesperson to sell the idea to an average nation that this nation is meaningful, that they have done good work, and that they are more than worthy of a commendation.

[Cormactopia Prime]

This isn't really a commendation of Tsunamy. It's an implicit commendation of the Coalition of the South Pacific.

I couldn't be more strongly against.

[Roland Prime]

This isn't really a commendation of Tsunamy. It's an implicit commendation of the Coalition of the South Pacific.

I couldn't be more strongly against.

That's where you're wrong, Cormac. Speaking as a TSP legislator, I know that many more people than tsu help make our region great. This proposal merely illustrates what TSU did to help the coalition, not how great said coalition is in general.

[Roavin]

This isn't really a commendation of Tsunamy. It's an implicit commendation of the Coalition of the South Pacific.

I couldn't be more strongly against.

The intent is absolutely to Commend Tsunamy, not praise TSP (though praiseworthy things about TSP may be mentioned if they were initiated or facilitated by Tsu, of course). Can you point me toward specifics in the text where the rhetoric goes beyond the intended scope?

[Escade]

So glad to see the second draft and fully support! Tsunamy is absolutely one of those good people who deserve commendation for their contributions to not only a community but several generations of players.

[Lethen]

Chop chop kids, let's commend me.

[Naifon]

I no Ice that every reference to the target nation contains a link to said nation's page. I don't know if that is a figment of the drafting process, but I would leave it out of the final copy.

Other than that, good work!

[Kylia Quilor]

Chop chop kids, let's commend me.

I'm slowly begining to work on it Lethen.

[Ambrella]

While I tend to agree with the idea that broader achievements are more commendable, I know firsthand what a fair and level-headed player Tsu is, and how valuable that has been to TSP over the years. His constant dedication is certainly outstanding, and I lean toward supporting this.

[Wabbitslayah]

I support, Roavin.

[Roavin]

Thanks for the support!

I've drafted a campaign TG and have enough stamps on my main, so I'm ready to go, just waiting for the perfect time to do it.

[Roavin]

Submitted and campaign TG sent. Now I wait.

[Oresland]

The arguments here have me undecided. Firstly, I don't know who is Tsunamy, but the same thing has happened with other nations or region where I'm left like "Who is that/Who are they?" On the other side, the SC has commended unknown nations from big regions, and only become known by many once they're commendation or condemnation is at vote. So those are my two cents.

[Fauxia]

Please update this to say “submitted”

[Escade]

Really hoping this works out and would be lovely

[Mallorea and Riva]

What exactly did Tsu do in 2013 to push me/Milo/JAL out?

[Roavin]

Please update this to say “submitted”

Ah yes, you're right - done!

What exactly did Tsu do in 2013 to push me/Milo/JAL out?

As the commendation says, rallied peeps. Not as significant as in 2003 or 2016 , granted, but notable nonetheless.

[Escade]

What exactly did Tsu do in 2013 to push me/Milo/JAL out?

He explained the situation in a calm way over TGs and was open to communication and recruited people to the cause. Like myself and others >:)

[Mallorea and Riva]

What exactly did Tsu do in 2013 to push me/Milo/JAL out?

He explained the situation in a calm way over TGs and was open to communication and recruited people to the cause. Like myself and others >:)

That's kinda nebulous. I don't recall you being too calm at the time

[Escade]

He explained the situation in a calm way over TGs and was open to communication and recruited people to the cause. Like myself and others >:)

That's kinda nebulous. I don't recall you being too calm at the time

Tsunamy, the subject of this commendation, was calm, trustworthy, a stalwart person to rally around. I mean it made the difference between giving up after being banjected and making new puppets and staying in the region and fighting.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: Was there a reason why you felt it necessary to include the flag every time that you mentioned Tsunamy by name?

[Drasnia]

OOC: Was there a reason why you felt it necessary to include the flag every time that you mentioned Tsunamy by name?

I'm guessing it was unintentional. They probably just used the [nation] tag (instead of [nation=noflag] or not linking every time) without even thinking about it.