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Postby Roavin » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:44 am

My first foray into actual SC writing. Be gentle :P

An OOC note: The "natural disaster" I'm referring to in the "Recalling" paragraph refers to a game glitch in 2003. In the South Pacific, The Xyz Affair displaced (if historical records are correct) Goddessness as UN Delegate despite the latter having the most endorsements, and then took to taking advantage of that. [nation]Killer Monkeys[nation] then quit the game for a while because of that kerfuffle and took the original forums that they hosted with it. It was primarily Tsu along with a few others that then pieced together what they could to recreate the Charter.

The Security Council,

Believing that Tsunamy, a nation founded in the earliest days of the South Pacific, has gone beyond the call of duty in their phenomenal service to their home region,

Recalling a natural disaster in 2003 that facilitated a coup d'etat of the newly formed Coalition of the South Pacific by The Xyz Affair and the resulting dissolution of the Coalition's primogenital Delegate nation Killer Monkeys, a crisis through which Tsunamy valiantly led restoration efforts by seeking foreign assistance through diplomacy, establishing a new regional forum, and salvaging the Coalition's Charter that had previously been stored in Killer Monkeys' jurisdiction,

Further recalling Tsunamy's subsequent roles in defeating coup d'etat attempts of the Coalition by Milograd in 2013, in which Tsunamy tirelessly engaged fellow nations to garner support, and by Hileville in 2016, in which Tsunamy was materially involved in negotiations and, following the failure of the attempt, was entrusted by the region to lead a special Cabinet overseeing reconciliation efforts and a Great Council,

Impressed by the varied positions, both elected and appointed, that Tsunamy has held with distinction in the Coalition of the South Pacific, including Minister of Intelligence, Member of the Council for State Security, Member of the Council on Regional Security, Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Vice President, Special Advisor to the Cabinet, Chair of the Assembly, Editor-in-Chief of South Pacific Independent News and later the Pacific Independent News Network, and most notably the World Assembly Delegate, holding that position a total of three times for a combined 777 days,

Highlighting that Tsunamy has played a key role in security, both of the Coalition itself as well as the nations contained therein, starting with their role as Minister of Intelligence in 2004 and continuing to this day as tenured member of the Council on Regional Security,

Noting further that the regional forums of the Coalition have been supervised by Tsunamy for most of the Coalition's existence (from 2003 to 2012 as well as from 2014 onwards),

In awe of Tsunamy's relentless drive for grassroots democratic involvement of all nations in the South Pacific, the fruits of which are seen most notably in the innovative Local Council, now a core component of South Pacifican democracy, which encourages and allows all nations in the South Pacific to contribute to their governance without requiring membership on the regional forums,

Deeply convinced that their advice to up-and-coming nations, their pragmatic approaches to problem-solving, and their conviction in reaching decisions through consensus, have significantly shaped South Pacifican culture in immeasurably positive ways,

Grateful that a nation with such an astounding record of service to their region continues to be an inspiration to other nations both in the South Pacific and abroad,

Hereby Commends Tsunamy.


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Believing that Tsunamy, a nation founded in the earliest days of the South Pacific, has gone beyond the call of duty in their phenomenal service to their home region,

Recalling a natural disaster in 2003 that facilitated a coup d'etat of the newly formed Coalition of the South Pacific by The Xyz Affair and the resulting dissolution of the Coalition's primogenital Delegate nation Killer Monkeys, a crisis through which Tsunamy valiantly led restoration efforts by seeking foreign assistance through diplomacy, establishing a new regional forum, and salvaging the Coalition's Charter that had previously been stored in Killer Monkeys' jurisdiction,

Further recalling Tsunamy's subsequent roles in defeating coup d'etat attempts of the Coalition by Milograd in 2013, in which Tsunamy tirelessly engaged fellow nations to garner support, and by Hileville in 2016, in which Tsunamy was materially involved in negotiations and, following the failure of the attempt, was entrusted by the region to lead a special Cabinet overseeing reconciliation efforts and a Great Council,

Impressed by the varied positions, both elected and appointed, that Tsunamy has held with distinction in the Coalition of the South Pacific, including Minister of Intelligence, Member of the Council for State Security, Member of the Council on Regional Security, Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Vice President, Special Advisor to the Cabinet, Chair of the Assembly, Editor-in-Chief of South Pacific Independent News and later the Pacific Independent News Network, and most notably the World Assembly Delegate, holding that position a total of three times for a combined 777 days,

Noting further that Tsunamy has played a key role in security, both of the Coalition itself as well as the nations contained therein, starting with their role as Minister of Intelligence in 2004 and continuing to this day as tenured member of the Council on Regional Security,

Affirming that Tsunamy has administered the regional forums of the Coalition for most of its existence (from 2003 to 2012 as well as from 2014 onwards),

Fascinated by Tsunamy's relentless drive for grassroots democratic involvement of all nations in the South Pacific, the fruits of which are seen most notably in the innovative Local Council, now a core component of South Pacifican democracy, which encourages and allows all nations in the South Pacific to contribute to their governance without requiring membership on the regional forums,

Deeply convinced that their mentorship to newer nations, their pragmatic approaches to problem-solving, and their conviction in reaching decisions through consensus, have significantly shaped South Pacifican culture in immeasurably positive ways,

Amazed that a nation with such an astounding record of service to their region has escaped recognition of this body for so long,

Hereby Commends Tsunamy.
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Postby Ransium » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:09 am

I think this looks pretty good overall and is an impressive first attempt at drafting a resolution. A quibble I have is this:

Deeply convinced that their mentorship to newer nations,


Comes a bit close to discussing nations as individuals not nations. Mentorship is a word almost always applied between two people, not nations.
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Postby Roavin » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:55 pm

Thanks! There is precedent for "mentor" in Commendations, but the argumentation is logical so I'd be happy to use a different word here. Breaking out the Thesaurus, would "advising" or something like that work better, you think?
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Postby Ransium » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply it was illegal, just a bit silly IC. "Advising" or "assistance" or "aid" all seem like better alternatives in this context.
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:17 pm

What's he done outside of TSP, tho?
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Postby Ransium » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:20 pm

I see one precedent maybe in Commend Drasnia:

"Appreciating the mentorship Drasnia has shown to nations desiring to advocate for their own issues;"

At least I'm consistently inconsistent.

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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:01 pm

Kylia Quilor wrote:What's he done outside of TSP, tho?

I'd agree that this is the greatest argument against voting for the proposal. Perhaps an argument could be made that Tsu's efforts in fighting hostile regimes in TSP has lead to greater international stability? Either that or double down on their strong commitment to TSP and argue that such loyalty and effort at the regional level is an admirable trait that the SC should encourage its members to mirror. I'm sure there is also precedent for Commendations for nations that are known specifically for their efforts in one region (A slanted Black Stripe off the top of my head).

This is a very well written draft, Roavin. I'm surprised you never let on, to me at least, that you were working on this. There is only one spot that I may like to see changed:

Affirming that Tsunamy has administered the regional forums of the Coalition for most of its existence (from 2003 to 2012 as well as from 2014 onwards),

I'd like to see this become more IC, if possible. In Commend Wop, I worded a similar situation as "Respecting the toil the people of Wopruthien went through in hosting . . .". I'm sure its no big deal, but I personally like a little IC flavoring in my SC.
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Postby Jakker » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:33 pm

TSP can reward Tsu individually if they believe he has done a lot for the region. In my opinion, to be recognized by the SC, you should have an impact to the larger NS world. So that needs to be better conveyed.

I recognize that SC has recognized similar players and I'm not a fan of those either.
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:28 pm

Aye, aye!

With regards to nominees in the past that have been commended for the roles exclusive to one region - among them, ASBS, Fudgetopia, Flemingovia, Kandarin - I think they're some of the most worthy nominees we've had in the Security Council and Tsunamy is no exception. When you're contributing to a region as large as a GCR for as long as Tsunamy has, with such a passion for its community, you're contributing to the game itself.

I have fond memories working in cabinet with Tsunamy at the helm. The resolution's right too, to focus on Tsunamy's drive for grassroots democracy; I remember that as a distinct concern of his. We got to work at the Great Council squeaking out all the compromises we could to bring about the Local Council, but behind that convention (ever present, even) was the delegate's will, an understanding that Tsunamy wasn't going to back down. Opening up TSP's democracy to all residents was something he felt strongly about. Without Tsunamy, there would have been no real possible pathway for democratic reform, he had to be on board for it to work.

With this past coup also - perhaps, TSP's darkest hour - I think Tsunamy will come to be remembered as the Coalition's guardian angel.
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Postby Roavin » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:50 am

Woo! Many, many thanks for the comments, positive and negative!

Generally, while not really being a "SC regular" by any stretch, I enjoy more the proposals that creatively use IC language to describe things of a rather OOC nature. So on both Ransium's point regarding mentorship and BT's point regarding the "Affirming" clause, I'll absolutely try to find more flowery IC ways to express those. "Aid", if set in the sentence properly, seems to me like the best alternative to "mentorship" right now (but I'm still thinking and not in a hurry on this at all). Regarding the forums, I like the "hosting" language BT used in "Commend Wop" though that can also be a technical term, so I may spend some time with a thesaurus there.

Regarding work outside of TSP: No, Tsu hasn't done much outside of TSP, and I suppose it's a judgement call whether one would consider work in just one region commendable across the World Assembly. I can respect Jakker's view that he doesn't like those on principle, though I personally disagree — not only because of precedent, but also because this would mean that the World Assembly therefore implicily punishes loyalty while rewarding cosmopolitanism. I really like BT's suggestion that I could double down to argue that such loyalty and determination is so admirable that the SC encourages its members to mirror that - I'll bring that into the next draft in some fashion!

Thanks again for the comments. I'm almost tempted to write the next draft now, this is exciting :P
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Postby Altmoras » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:59 am

Kylia Quilor wrote:What's he done outside of TSP, tho?


What have 1 Infinite Loop and A Slanted Black Stripe done outside of TEP?
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Roavin wrote: I can respect Jakker's view that he doesn't like those on principle, though I personally disagree — not only because of precedent, but also because this would mean that the World Assembly therefore implicily punishes loyalty while rewarding cosmopolitanism.


My point is not that someone needs to be involved in other regions, but simply that there should to be an argument that they have made an impact to the larger NS community in some way. So I'd just like to see regional accomplishments being tied into a holistic impact. That makes a proposal stronger to me.
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Postby Roavin » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:07 am

Fair enough. I'll have to take a look at that aspect. Obviously, an argument can be made for "butterfly effect" (for example, suppose Tsu hadn't impressed LadyRebels during the Xyz affair coup, would Alpha c, together with LadyRebels, then have couped TSP in the name of ACC, which would have consequences over the August Revolution aftermath in TP because of ADN shenanigans and whatnot, etc.?), though I'll see if I can find something a bit more, uh, intentional :P. Would you consider the mentorship Tsu has provided to a variety of nations born in the South Pacific that then went on to do great things there and elsewhere as fitting that mantle? Either way, I'll surely find something cogent. The dude's been at it since 2003, and while I've done alot of research for this already, I'm sure that between 14 years of content spread about a bunch of forums and partially corrupted due to forum crashes, there are many things I've missed.
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Postby Roavin » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:38 am

With comments from here and South Pacificans, I present Draft v2!

Note that regarding the issue that Jakker/Kylia/BT/etc. raised, I took the "double down on the dedication" route rather than tying it to the greater world of NationStates. I had experimented with the other approach but couldn't come up with something that didn't sound inherently cheesy and/or forced.

The Security Council,

Believing that Tsunamy, a nation founded in the earliest days of the South Pacific, has gone beyond the call of duty in their phenomenal service to their home region,

Recalling a natural disaster in 2003 that facilitated a coup d'etat of the newly formed Coalition of the South Pacific by The Xyz Affair and the resulting dissolution of the Coalition's primogenital Delegate nation Killer Monkeys, a crisis through which Tsunamy valiantly led restoration efforts by seeking foreign assistance through diplomacy, establishing a new regional forum, and salvaging the Coalition's Charter that had previously been stored in Killer Monkeys' jurisdiction,

Further recalling Tsunamy's subsequent roles in defeating coup d'etat attempts of the Coalition by Milograd in 2013, in which Tsunamy tirelessly engaged fellow nations to garner support, and by Hileville in 2016, in which Tsunamy was materially involved in negotiations and, following the failure of the attempt, was entrusted by the region to lead a special Cabinet overseeing reconciliation efforts and a Great Council,

Impressed by the varied positions, both elected and appointed, that Tsunamy has held with distinction in the Coalition of the South Pacific, including Minister of Intelligence, Member of the Council for State Security, Member of the Council on Regional Security, Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Vice President, Special Advisor to the Cabinet, Chair of the Assembly, Editor-in-Chief of South Pacific Independent News and later the Pacific Independent News Network, and most notably the World Assembly Delegate, holding that position a total of three times for a combined 777 days,

Highlighting that Tsunamy has played a key role in security, both of the Coalition itself as well as the nations contained therein, starting with their role as Minister of Intelligence in 2004 and continuing to this day as tenured member of the Council on Regional Security,

Noting further that the regional forums of the Coalition have been supervised by Tsunamy for most of the Coalition's existence (from 2003 to 2012 as well as from 2014 onwards),

In awe of Tsunamy's relentless drive for grassroots democratic involvement of all nations in the South Pacific, the fruits of which are seen most notably in the innovative Local Council, now a core component of South Pacifican democracy, which encourages and allows all nations in the South Pacific to contribute to their governance without requiring membership on the regional forums,

Deeply convinced that their advice to up-and-coming nations, their pragmatic approaches to problem-solving, and their conviction in reaching decisions through consensus, have significantly shaped South Pacifican culture in immeasurably positive ways,

Grateful that a nation with such an astounding record of service to their region continues to be an inspiration to other nations both in the South Pacific and abroad,

Hereby Commends Tsunamy.
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I think I broadly disagree with Jakker. If the achievements are significant enough, it is fine that they relate to only one region. And as others have noted we've already got precedent on that.

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Consular wrote:I think I broadly disagree with Jakker. If the achievements are significant enough, it is fine that they relate to only one region. And as others have noted we've already got precedent on that.
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:59 am

Unibot III wrote:Aye, aye!

With regards to nominees in the past that have been commended for the roles exclusive to one region - among them, ASBS, Fudgetopia, Flemingovia, Kandarin - I think they're some of the most worthy nominees we've had in the Security Council and Tsunamy is no exception. When you're contributing to a region as large as a GCR for as long as Tsunamy has, with such a passion for its community, you're contributing to the game itself.
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No, you're contributing to one GCR. I know the GCRs like to think of themselves as the center of the world, but they're really not and they don't need more fuel for their collective egos.

The precedent exists, unfortunately, but I wasn't very fond of those either. The Commendations and Condemnations of the Security Council are about matters that concern all of NationStates, not one region. I mean, a commendation of TSP makes more sense than a commendation of Tsunamy, no matter how wonderfully devoted he is to TSP.

Roavin wrote:Note that regarding the issue that Jakker/Kylia/BT/etc. raised, I took the "double down on the dedication" route rather than tying it to the greater world of NationStates. I had experimented with the other approach but couldn't come up with something that didn't sound inherently cheesy and/or forced.


If you can't find something beyond TSP for him, then maybe he doesn't deserve the commendation?

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Europeia isn't your average UCR or even your above average UCR, but if someone tried to commend say, Lethen, for his many contributions and long service to Europeia, lots of people would be like 'who?'. I mean, I've heard the name Tsunamy, but I have no idea what he's done or who he is, because he's only been relevant in TSP, and most people outside of Europeia would be like that with Lethen, or maybe not even the name. But if Tsunamy deserves commendation, so does Lethen, and frankly, (and I expect hate faces for this) so does Onder - his work in and on behalf of TNI, the LKE and Europeia, collectively, is hugely impressive, as is his long record of success. But I'm pretty sure the SC wouldn't pass a commendation of either Lethen or Onder (Commend Lethen would probably have an easier chance than Commend Onder, tbf).

But because Tsunamy is from a GCR... well, obviously he deserves it just because.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:55 pm

Tsunamy is beyond deserving for a commendation by the standards and precedents clearly established by the SC. I can't think of many others in GP more worthy.
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:49 pm

Okay, clearly I need to get to work on writing Commend Lethen then, if this passes.
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Postby Consular » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:50 pm

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Postby Unibot III » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:18 pm

Kylia Quilor wrote:Okay, clearly I need to get to work on writing Commend Lethen then, if this passes.


Am I supposed to be demurred by "Commend Lethen"? It sounds like a good idea to me...
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Kylia Quilor wrote:Okay, clearly I need to get to work on writing Commend Lethen then, if this passes.


Am I supposed to be demurred by "Commend Lethen"? It sounds like a good idea to me...

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Postby Todd McCloud » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:29 am

Is there some kind of new rule in place where if you didn't do enough in multiple regions, you aren't worthy of a commendation? Because if so that's a new one on me. Sure, multiple regions means more exposure, but that doesn't negate their body of work if they happened to do it mostly in just one region. A commendation's a commendation.

I'll read this over again, but it has my full support.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:40 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:Is there some kind of new rule in place where if you didn't do enough in multiple regions, you aren't worthy of a commendation? Because if so that's a new one on me. Sure, multiple regions means more exposure, but that doesn't negate their body of work if they happened to do it mostly in just one region. A commendation's a commendation.

I'll read this over again, but it has my full support.



I fully agree, Todd.

This also has my support.
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