[DRAFT] Condemn Funkadelia

[Cheeksam]

The Security Council,
NOTING that Funkadelia is the current World Assembly Delegate and King of the Undead of Lazarus

ACKNOWLEDGING that while Funkadelia was elected the sovereign, they later abused their powers and dismissed or ejected many long time members of Lazarus,

SHOCKED at how Funkadelia covered up their actions by saying that other nations, including former delegates, were part of a 'secret resistance' that were planning to overthrow Funkadelia, and duped many residents into believing them,

DISMAYED that Funkadelia took the opportunity of this 'secret resistance' to replace the democratic Celestial Mandate, the constitution of Lazarus, with the Constitution of the Undead Dominion of Lazarus, which supported monarchy and placed Funkadelia in absolute power,

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that Funkadelia could turn turn Lazarus into a raider colony, considering their suspicious raider involvement, especially with Lone Wolves United, a region already condemned by this esteemed body:

• The two officers who weren't part of the 'secret resistance' were Killer Kitty and Scum, two nations 'coincidentally' controlled by two high-ranking officers in Lone Wolves United (LWU)
• Funkadelia's dispatch on No region was pinned right to the top of the World Factbook Entry of LWU, and Funkadelia has a puppet called Funkadelia Island in LWU
• Funkadelia recently disbanded The Founderless Regions Alliance, a defender alliance that benefited many founderless regions, and now it is easier for raiders to raid founderless regions, disrupting the international peace and goodwill in NationStates,

HOPING that by Condemning Funkadelia, more residents of Lazarus will choose to stop endorsing Funkadelia, ending the coup, and ending the disruption to international peace and goodwill,

HEREBY condemns Funkadelia

[Cheeksam]

i feel ignored

[Nogodia]

Do it it works.

[The North Polish Union]

Relax, the SC is one of the slowest-moving forums. People aren't going to respond immediately to proposals unless they're very radical.

I'm going to take a crack at this. It definitely would appear to be a decently-written proposal, especially since it looks like this is your first crack at writing one

The Security Council,
NOTING that Funkadelia is the current World Assembly Delegate and King of the Undead of Lazarus

ACKNOWLEDGING that while Funkadelia was elected the sovereign, they later abused their powers and dismissed or ejected many long time members of Lazarus,

SHOCKED at how Funkadelia covered up their actions by saying that other nations, including former delegates, were part of a 'secret resistance' that were planning to overthrow Funkdelia, and duped many residents into believing them,

You need to show that the ejected members of Lazarus were actually ejected unjustly (i.e. that they weren't planning a coup). The Undead Dominion has persuasive evidence-based arguments for why those ejected were planning a coup, and you need to provide counter evidence showing that this is not the case.

You also misspelled "Funkadelia" in the third clause, but that's an easy fix.

DISMAYED that Funkadelia took the opportunity of this 'secret resistance' to replace the democratic Celestial Mandate, the constitution of Lazarus, with the Constitution of the Undead Dominion of Lazarus, which supported monarchy and placed Funkadelia in absolute power,

This is one of the stronger arguments in your proposal. The Undead Dominion was voted in by a majority of those voting. If you want to argue against its legitimacy you have to show that the voting for the Undead Dominion was undemocratic and that had it been democratic the majority of voters would've opposed it.

You also need to either show that Funkadelia is using his absolute mandate in a condemnable way or that absolutist forms of regional government are inherently condemnable.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that Funkadelia could turn turn Lazarus into a raider colony, considering their suspicious raider involvement, especially with Lone Wolves United, a region already condemned by this esteemed body:

• The two officers who weren't part of the 'secret resistance' were Killer Kitty and Scum, two nations 'coincidentally' controlled by two high-ranking officers in Lone Wolves United (LWU)
• Funkadelia's dispatch on No region was pinned right to the top of the World Factbook Entry of LWU, and Funkadelia has a puppet called Funkadelia Island in LWU
• Funkadelia recently disbanded The Founderless Regions Alliance, a defender alliance that benefited many founderless regions, and now it is easier for raiders to raid founderless regions, disrupting the international peace and goodwill in NationStates,

Stylistically, why is 'coincidentally' is quotes?

LWU as a region may have been condemned, but Killer Kitty was commended (including for his actions in Lazarus) by the SC as Evil Wolf. Also, having a dispatch by a player pinned to a region's WFE is not necessarily a sign that that region and the dispatch author are colluding in any way.

Also, it is important to understand why Funkadelia disbanded the FRA. Your proposal would seen to imply that the disbanding was done as a part of some sort of conspiracy involving LWU in order to make raiding regions easier. Are you able to support that? Or if it is not your intention to imply that, is it possible to rework that clause so as to avoid such an implication? Additionally, to claim that the FRA "benefited many founderless regions" is debatable. There are many (including myself) who would argue that the FRA had a net negative effect on a number of founderless regions.

As a minor gripe, I personally dislike the use of the word "NationStates" in resolutions. I think it comes close to being a Rule 4(c) violation, but its been used in more resolutions than I care to count and its not as if you actually need to change that part of your resolution, its just a matter of my subjective stylistic preference.

BELIEVING that by Condemning Funkadelia, more residents of Lazarus will choose to stop endorsing FUnkadelia, ending the coup, and ending the diruption to international peace and goodwill,

HEREBY condemns Funkadelia

"Disruption" is misspelled and "Funkadelia" is miscapitalized.

I think it would be best to change "BELIEVING" to "HOPING" since with "BELIEVING" it appears you're making a semi-factual claim when, in reality, you cannot know whether the passage of this resolution would have that effect.

[Cheeksam]

Relax, the SC is one of the slowest-moving forums. People aren't going to respond immediately to proposals unless they're very radical.

I'm going to take a crack at this. It definitely would appear to be a decently-written proposal, especially since it looks like this is your first crack at writing one

The Security Council,
NOTING that Funkadelia is the current World Assembly Delegate and King of the Undead of Lazarus

ACKNOWLEDGING that while Funkadelia was elected the sovereign, they later abused their powers and dismissed or ejected many long time members of Lazarus,

SHOCKED at how Funkadelia covered up their actions by saying that other nations, including former delegates, were part of a 'secret resistance' that were planning to overthrow Funkdelia, and duped many residents into believing them,

You need to show that the ejected members of Lazarus were actually ejected unjustly (i.e. that they weren't planning a coup). The Undead Dominion has persuasive evidence-based arguments for why those ejected were planning a coup, and you need to provide counter evidence showing that this is not the case.

You also misspelled "Funkadelia" in the third clause, but that's an easy fix.

DISMAYED that Funkadelia took the opportunity of this 'secret resistance' to replace the democratic Celestial Mandate, the constitution of Lazarus, with the Constitution of the Undead Dominion of Lazarus, which supported monarchy and placed Funkadelia in absolute power,

This is one of the stronger arguments in your proposal. The Undead Dominion was voted in by a majority of those voting. If you want to argue against its legitimacy you have to show that the voting for the Undead Dominion was undemocratic and that had it been democratic the majority of voters would've opposed it.

You also need to either show that Funkadelia is using his absolute mandate in a condemnable way or that absolutist forms of regional government are inherently condemnable.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that Funkadelia could turn turn Lazarus into a raider colony, considering their suspicious raider involvement, especially with Lone Wolves United, a region already condemned by this esteemed body:

• The two officers who weren't part of the 'secret resistance' were Killer Kitty and Scum, two nations 'coincidentally' controlled by two high-ranking officers in Lone Wolves United (LWU)
• Funkadelia's dispatch on No region was pinned right to the top of the World Factbook Entry of LWU, and Funkadelia has a puppet called Funkadelia Island in LWU
• Funkadelia recently disbanded The Founderless Regions Alliance, a defender alliance that benefited many founderless regions, and now it is easier for raiders to raid founderless regions, disrupting the international peace and goodwill in NationStates,

Stylistically, why is 'coincidentally' is quotes?

LWU as a region may have been condemned, but Killer Kitty was commended (including for his actions in Lazarus) by the SC as Evil Wolf. Also, having a dispatch by a player pinned to a region's WFE is not necessarily a sign that that region and the dispatch author are colluding in any way.

Also, it is important to understand why Funkadelia disbanded the FRA. Your proposal would seen to imply that the disbanding was done as a part of some sort of conspiracy involving LWU in order to make raiding regions easier. Are you able to support that? Or if it is not your intention to imply that, is it possible to rework that clause so as to avoid such an implication? Additionally, to claim that the FRA "benefited many founderless regions" is debatable. There are many (including myself) who would argue that the FRA had a net negative effect on a number of founderless regions.

As a minor gripe, I personally dislike the use of the word "NationStates" in resolutions. I think it comes close to being a Rule 4(c) violation, but its been used in more resolutions than I care to count and its not as if you actually need to change that part of your resolution, its just a matter of my subjective stylistic preference.

BELIEVING that by Condemning Funkadelia, more residents of Lazarus will choose to stop endorsing FUnkadelia, ending the coup, and ending the diruption to international peace and goodwill,

HEREBY condemns Funkadelia

"Disruption" is misspelled and "Funkadelia" is miscapitalized.

I think it would be best to change "BELIEVING" to "HOPING" since with "BELIEVING" it appears you're making a semi-factual claim when, in reality, you cannot know whether the passage of this resolution would have that effect.

Noted all.

[The North Polish Union]

Noted all.

Somehow I'm not sure that's true, especially since you haven't even fixed the spelling mistakes I pointed out...

[Kylia Quilor]

Let's wait until the crisis actually resolves itself before we start condemning or commending people.

[Evil Wolf]

• Funkadelia recently disbanded The Founderless Regions Alliance, a defender alliance that benefited many founderless regions, and now it is easier for raiders to raid founderless regions, disrupting the international peace and goodwill in NationStates,

Based upon the logic of this proposal, Lone Wolves United would like to immediately claim credit for the downfall of the FRA.

Nobody argue.

[Tim-Opolis]

• Funkadelia recently disbanded The Founderless Regions Alliance, a defender alliance that benefited many founderless regions, and now it is easier for raiders to raid founderless regions, disrupting the international peace and goodwill in NationStates,

Based upon the logic of this proposal, Lone Wolves United would like to immediately claim credit for the downfall of the FRA.

Nobody argue.

I would argue, but I'm assuming this proposal is dead in the water.

[Cheeksam]

Based upon the logic of this proposal, Lone Wolves United would like to immediately claim credit for the downfall of the FRA.

Nobody argue.

I would argue, but I'm assuming this proposal is dead in the water.

Not like you haven't coupes a region before

[Cheeksam]

• Funkadelia recently disbanded The Founderless Regions Alliance, a defender alliance that benefited many founderless regions, and now it is easier for raiders to raid founderless regions, disrupting the international peace and goodwill in NationStates,

Based upon the logic of this proposal, Lone Wolves United would like to immediately claim credit for the downfall of the FRA.

Nobody argue.

Heh

[Fauxia]

Disbanding the FRA wasn't that recent, I don't think

[Honeydewistania]

Disbanding the FRA wasn't that recent, I don't think

Yes true.
However, Evil Wolf claims responsible, and FUnk probably did the coup once his power is stable.

[Evil Wolf]

Disbanding the FRA wasn't that recent, I don't think

Yes true.
However, Evil Wolf claims responsible, and FUnk probably did the coup once his power is stable.

Truly, based upon the claims of this Condemn. Lone Wolves United is one of the most powerful R/D organization in the game.

We apparently can topple entire sinkers all by ourselves and secretly infiltrate the highest levels of defender organizations without them knowing, forcing them to disband. You should really be more focused on writing LWU another Condemnation, since we are such an absolute threat.

As for Funk, I'm pretty sure dissolving the FRA should have earned him an Commendation. The Imperialists will probably agree with me.

[Kylia Quilor]

Yes true.
However, Evil Wolf claims responsible, and FUnk probably did the coup once his power is stable.

Truly, based upon the claims of this Condemn. Lone Wolves United is one of the most powerful R/D organization in the game.

We apparently can topple entire sinkers all by ourselves and secretly infiltrate the highest levels of defender organizations without them knowing, forcing them to disband. You should really be more focused on writing LWU another Condemnation, since we are such an absolute threat.

As for Funk, I'm pretty sure dissolving the FRA should have earned him an Commendation. The Imperialists will probably agree with me.

I suspect even Unibot "I hate it when FRA rangers fly the FRA Flag" III would approve of the dissolution of the FRA.

[Unibot III]

Truly, based upon the claims of this Condemn. Lone Wolves United is one of the most powerful R/D organization in the game.

We apparently can topple entire sinkers all by ourselves and secretly infiltrate the highest levels of defender organizations without them knowing, forcing them to disband. You should really be more focused on writing LWU another Condemnation, since we are such an absolute threat.

As for Funk, I'm pretty sure dissolving the FRA should have earned him an Commendation. The Imperialists will probably agree with me.

I suspect even Unibot "I hate it when FRA rangers fly the FRA Flag" III would approve of the dissolution of the FRA.

No matter all the good and bad things I've done in this f-king game, I'm still going to go down as the guy who bitched about the FRA's flags. ARRRRGH.



I was sad to see their dissolution. Make no mistake, I was deeply frustrated with the FRA's politics at one time, but I developed a wider perspective on the organization as I matured in the game. We always had a similar set of values in-game - and as I stepped away from the UDL's leadership, there was less opportunity for mutual mistrust to arise.

I don't recall any run-ins as TRR leader with the FRA and I was a supporter of TRR's continued role in the FRA. Contrary to the imperialist talking points on the subject, I've never got the sense that the FRA was out to the control TRR, it was always a mutually supportive relationship. Practically speaking, the FRA Rangers helped to support the RRA and we helped to bolster the FRA's political standing.

[Kylia Quilor]

I suspect even Unibot "I hate it when FRA rangers fly the FRA Flag" III would approve of the dissolution of the FRA.

No matter all the good and bad things I've done in this f-king game, I'm still going to go down as the guy who bitched about the FRA's flags. ARRRRGH.

Duh

:P

I was sad to see their dissolution. Make no mistake, I was deeply frustrated with the FRA's politics at one time, but I developed a wider perspective on the organization as I matured in the game. We always had a similar set of values in-game - and as I stepped away from the UDL's leadership, there was less opportunity for mutual mistrust to arise.

I don't recall any run-ins as TRR leader with the FRA and I was a supporter of TRR's continued role in the FRA. Contrary to the imperialist talking points on the subject, I've never got the sense that the FRA was out to the control TRR, it was always a mutually supportive relationship. Practically speaking, the FRA Rangers helped to support the RRA and we helped to bolster the FRA's political standing.

I stand corrected. But I thought it was the evil TRR elitres that controled the FRA, which was why you wanted to give the rangers votes?

[Unibot III]

I stand corrected. But I thought it was the evil TRR elitres that controled the FRA, which was why you wanted to give the rangers votes?

TRR was a very different region in that early part of 2011. TRR had just, essentially, been inherited by the Empire (Biyah, Dali, Wham and co.) via Nai - after seven years of Kandarin rule. He passed his account to a foreign entity and FRA was dealing with the consequences. TRR also picked up a sizable pocket of invaders sensing the political winds shifting.

To my frustration, some of the old guard in the FRA seemed to be operating on the assumption that TRR was still a reasonable partner in the coalition; that is to say, that a serious political transition hadn't occurred. The hash of wildcards and the usual suspects - CrazySedge, Empire, LWU, JAL and Ex-Euro - that was 2011's TRR, harbored quite literally nothing but ill-will (or at best, general bemusement) towards the FRA and was working to undermine it.

The irony of the Devonitians fallout is that the Empire played their hand and lost. We're a liberal constitutional democracy (and yes, defender) because they failed then.

[Kylia Quilor]

Yes, but even worse, TRR isn't in a bitchfight with TGW. Very depressing to those of us who grew up in Gameplay in the days of Unibot FRAUDL.

[Unibot III]

Yes, but even worse, TRR isn't in a bitchfight with TGW. Very depressing to those of us who grew up in Gameplay in the days of Unibot FRAUDL.

Haha, FRUDL had nothing on Unibot-Grub bitchfests. Those were classics. I can't honestly muster much more than a chuckle in response to this:

I hope that the true defenders in the UDL will break off from the hollow entity that is the UDL and start a true defending group that will actually have some standards and a moral compass.

In closing, I no longer consider the UDL a defending group and urge all nations and regions to distance themselves from a group that is knowingly riddled with invaders. Boot Unibot and try to clean up the utter mess he has made.

Grub
Founder - 10000 Islands/TITO

At that time, that "hollow entity" could muster forty liberators on the double.

People think things between TGW and 10KI would be all honky-dory without an ego like mine or Sedge's, but they have no idea what ridiculousness the UDL and pre-UDL FRA faced with TITO. You could never be "pure" enough for TITO. I can't imagine what relations would have been like between today's defenders and Grub's 10KI. Would he have self-combusted? Who knows.

In the meantime, I'm hoping to develop some standards and a moral compass...

[Kylia Quilor]

In the meantime, I'm hoping to develop some standards and a moral compass...

Well, keep trying. Nothing's impossible, Unibot.