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The Security Council,

Noting that The MT Army is an antifascist invader organization, and one of the most historical ones.

Further Noting that The MT Army has successfully raided around 1,170 fascist regions in the past 7 years.

Even Further Noting that The MT Army has participated in many humongous raids against fascist regions, including the raid and refounding of Nazi Europe three years ago.

Recognizing the dedication from all of The MT Army's soldiers.

Appreciating the assistance The MT Army has provided to the world in it's fight against fascism.

Believing that The MT Army has succeeded in their fight against fascism, and will continue to do so.

Hereby commends The MT Army

Interesting as this may seem, there needs to be more detail.

Let's not

First of all thanks for drafting on the forum, so many don't. You've written a legal proposal, but there's no detail apart from the fact that they've raided lots of fascist regions.

So commendable as that may be it's not Commendable.

I'd consider supporting this proposal, but it needs to be more persuasive. It needs more or stronger reasons.

Yeah, I need some more detail. Can anyone co-author it with me?

You should do some research if you want this to pass. Or you could something more reasonable, like commending Funkadelia or condemning Roavin or something along those lines* (either of which is a better option than any commendation of MT Army).

Just flat out... no. The MT Army slanders many regions in the name of antifascism. Violently opposed. We will campaign against if necessary.

Kylia Quilor wrote:You should do some research if you want this to pass. Or you could something more reasonable, like commending Funkadelia or condemning Roavin or something along those lines* (either of which is a better option than any commendation of MT Army).

I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

Fauxia wrote:

Kylia Quilor wrote:You should do some research if you want this to pass. Or you could something more reasonable, like commending Funkadelia or condemning Roavin or something along those lines* (either of which is a better option than any commendation of MT Army).

I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

The poster probably got the words mixed up. Happens a lot, I get them confused as well.

1170 fascist regions? I didn't even realise NS had that many.

Flanderlion wrote:

Fauxia wrote:I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

The poster probably got the words mixed up. Happens a lot, I get them confused as well.

1170 fascist regions? I didn't even realise NS had that many.

"Fascist"

Flanderlion wrote:

Fauxia wrote:I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

The poster probably got the words mixed up. Happens a lot, I get them confused as well.

1170 fascist regions? I didn't even realise NS had that many.

Knowing that poster I think that was quite deliberate.

Yep, there is alot missing here for a good proposal that stands a chance of passing.
- Vippertooth33 had a spy nation for 11 years in NE
- They started back in 2003 (2004?), not only 7 years ago
- You should list several of their more notable involvements - URAP, NSIA, NE, etc.
- In general, Vipper writes mission updates on their RMB, so you can check there.

Can we all just collectively agree to not commend them and move on?

Kylia Quilor wrote:Can we all just collectively agree to not commend them and move on?

I'm not going to argue for or against a commendation (at least not now) - but if you want to string others along with that sentiment, you'll have to give at least one reason

Roavin wrote:

Kylia Quilor wrote:Can we all just collectively agree to not commend them and move on?

I'm not going to argue for or against a commendation (at least not now) - but if you want to string others along with that sentiment, you'll have to give at least one reason

Does it have to be a good one? Or can I just borrow from the TGW handbook of Inventing Bad Reasons?

Kylia Quilor wrote:

Roavin wrote:
I'm not going to argue for or against a commendation (at least not now) - but if you want to string others along with that sentiment, you'll have to give at least one reason

Does it have to be a good one? Or can I just borrow from the TGW handbook of Inventing Bad Reasons?

I'm not aware of such a handbook, to be honest. Wardens do have the Handbook of Inventing Reasons to Shitpost, but I doubt you meant that. You might have been thinking of the Handbook of Inventing Foreign Policy Objectives, but that's rather to be found somewhere in your neighborhood.

But more seriously - yes. For the sake of debate, why do you believe they should not deserve a commendation?

Roavin wrote:

Kylia Quilor wrote:Does it have to be a good one? Or can I just borrow from the TGW handbook of Inventing Bad Reasons?

I'm not aware of such a handbook, to be honest. Wardens do have the Handbook of Inventing Reasons to Shitpost, but I doubt you meant that. You might have been thinking of the Handbook of Inventing Foreign Policy Objectives, but that's rather to be found somewhere in your neighborhood.

But more seriously - yes. For the sake of debate, why do you believe they should not deserve a commendation?

Because we shouldn't reward sanctimonious self-righteousness? Because the next step if this passes is commending Antifa, and we all know that's seventeen different kinds of bad idea.

So they captured a lot of fascist regions. Whoopdeefucking doo. Leaving aside the fact that they have a very expansive definition of 'fascist', last time I checked, the SC doesn't commend people for a lot of piddly raids, else TBH deserves a commendation five times over for their many non-piddly raids.

There we go, there's an argument against! And now somebody can reply why those are not piddly or why MT Army did more than just piddly raids etc.etc.etc.

I do disagree that this is a slippery slope towards commending Antifa, and even if that comes up, I doubt that'll get past the big GCR Delegates in any configuration.

Kylia Quilor wrote:last time I checked, the SC doesn't commend people for a lot of piddly raids, else TBH deserves a commendation five times over for their many non-piddly raids.

They did get two though

Roavin wrote:There we go, there's an argument against! And now somebody can reply why those are not piddly or why MT Army did more than just piddly raids etc.etc.etc.

I do disagree that this is a slippery slope towards commending Antifa, and even if that comes up, I doubt that'll get past the big GCR Delegates in any configuration.

Kylia Quilor wrote:last time I checked, the SC doesn't commend people for a lot of piddly raids, else TBH deserves a commendation five times over for their many non-piddly raids.

They did get two though

TBH got condemned. I'd be all for condemning MT Army



There we go, there's an argument against! And now somebody can reply why those are not piddly or why MT Army did more than just piddly raids etc.etc.etc.

Kudos for you turning my own words against me, fwiw,

Marilyn Manson wrote:The Security Council,

Noting that The MT Army is an antifascist invader organization, and one of the most historical ones.

Further Noting that The MT Army has successfully raided around 1,170 fascist regions in the past 7 years.

Even Further Noting that The MT Army has participated in many humongous raids against fascist regions, including the raid and refounding of Nazi Europe three years ago.

Recognizing the dedication from all of The MT Army's soldiers.

Appreciating the assistance The MT Army has provided to the world in it's fight against fascism.

Believing that The MT Army has succeeded in their fight against fascism, and will continue to do so.

Hereby commends The MT Army

You have to explain why we should commend them for raiding fascist regions. Because raiding regions is usually condemnation material.

Cheeksam wrote:

Marilyn Manson wrote:The Security Council,

Noting that The MT Army is an antifascist invader organization, and one of the most historical ones.

Further Noting that The MT Army has successfully raided around 1,170 fascist regions in the past 7 years.

Even Further Noting that The MT Army has participated in many humongous raids against fascist regions, including the raid and refounding of Nazi Europe three years ago.

Recognizing the dedication from all of The MT Army's soldiers.

Appreciating the assistance The MT Army has provided to the world in it's fight against fascism.

Believing that The MT Army has succeeded in their fight against fascism, and will continue to do so.

Hereby commends The MT Army

You have to explain why we should commend them for raiding fascist regions. Because raiding regions is usually condemnation material.

That's not entirely true. Sure, raiding may prove to be annoying. But it is allowed by the creator and supported in some cases. It's a case-by-case situation.

Willania Imperium wrote:

Cheeksam wrote:You have to explain why we should commend them for raiding fascist regions. Because raiding regions is usually condemnation material.

That's not entirely true. Sure, raiding may prove to be annoying. But it is allowed by the creator and supported in some cases. It's a case-by-case situation.

Of course it is allowed. But the innocent natives are being pushed out of their region. TBH got condemned TWICE! for raiding. It's just that why is raiding fascist regions makes it commendable when raiding others is condemned?

Cheeksam wrote:

Willania Imperium wrote:
That's not entirely true. Sure, raiding may prove to be annoying. But it is allowed by the creator and supported in some cases. It's a case-by-case situation.

Of course it is allowed. But the innocent natives are being pushed out of their region. TBH got condemned TWICE! for raiding. It's just that why is raiding fascist regions makes it commendable when raiding others is condemned?

Well, it's because they are fascist. All those other regions were raided for no real justification that is valid. Saying "Just for fun" or "Collecting medals" isn't completely valid. However, there is a valid reason for raiding fascist regions. It's to stop the an ideology; namely, fascism. Their works to stop and curve the tide of concentrated fascism within NS is something commendable as it it works to stop this ideology from spreading.

Willania Imperium wrote:

Cheeksam wrote:Of course it is allowed. But the innocent natives are being pushed out of their region. TBH got condemned TWICE! for raiding. It's just that why is raiding fascist regions makes it commendable when raiding others is condemned?

Well, it's because they are fascist. All those other regions were raided for no real justification that is valid. Saying "Just for fun" or "Collecting medals" isn't completely valid. However, there is a valid reason for raiding fascist regions. It's to stop the an ideology; namely, fascism. Their works to stop and curve the tide of concentrated fascism within NS is something commendable as it it works to stop this ideology from spreading.

Yeah, they are imperialists. Imperialism is frowned upon. We should condemn them for forcefully trying to destroy and ideology in NS when all ideologies should be accepted.