[PROPOSAL] Condemn Islamic State

[Greater Cesnica]

It's like I'm talking to a cabbage.

Ok. Let's try that again.

You need an operative clause. That means your resolution needs to end with "Hereby Condemns Islamic State".

Have a look at literally any other passed condemnation. E.g. "Hereby Condemns The Black Hawks."

You should read the dictionary to know what a clause is and you should also read the rules to know that the very reason for the sentence should not end with your scheme (according to the rules)

Oh god, I give up.

[Greater Cesnica]

I give up. Have fun BBD

IKR

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

It is inherent to its own name: "Islamic State"; "Islam" etc. Not to speak of the real world under a fiction, one should also eliminate the glimpse of reality from the name of such a region.



You should wash your mouth and not swearing.

Am I swearing at you? No. It's perfectly acceptable to swear when talking about myself. Also, you didn't bother reading my whole message did you?

To swear: "to use profane oaths or language"

This proposal breaks so many articles, it will get shot down within 5 minutes of entering quorum. Assuming that WA Delegates are stupid enough to vote for it.

Come on, gentleman. Use your intellect instead of trying to impose your fascist exegesis.

[Wallenburg]

You refer to ISIL, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, and Da'esh, all names that the region Islamic State has not adopted. That makes these real life references. You refer to Al-Qaida (misspelled, by the way), which neither exists as a nation nor a region. That makes it a real life reference. You refer to terrible actions committed by terrorist groups, but none of these have been done by the region you target. That makes these real life references.

Of course yes. "Da'esh" is, by the way, is an acronym of the above, in Arabic, therefore it is not improper to use it as an entity known in reality.

Da'esh is an acronym of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, not Islamic State. It remains a real world reference for that reason.

On the other hand, and if you knew to read Arabic you would read it as "Al-Qa'ida" (https://translate.google.es/?hl=es#ar/e ... 8%AF%D8%A9), so you are who spelled it wrong.

I guess every news outlet that has ever covered Al Qaeda has misspelled it then.

The Islamic State is the State that acts justly terrorist acts in different countries of the world through representatives who so desire. They can immolate themselves, they can kill people and they can perform other types of acts. As they are related, the fiction in itself also unites them.

That makes less than no sense.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Of course yes. "Da'esh" is, by the way, is an acronym of the above, in Arabic, therefore it is not improper to use it as an entity known in reality.

Da'esh is an acronym of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, not Islamic State. It remains a real world reference for that reason.

On the other hand, and if you knew to read Arabic you would read it as "Al-Qa'ida" (https://translate.google.es/?hl=es#ar/e ... 8%AF%D8%A9), so you are who spelled it wrong.

I guess every news outlet that has ever covered Al Qaeda has misspelled it then.

The Islamic State is the State that acts justly terrorist acts in different countries of the world through representatives who so desire. They can immolate themselves, they can kill people and they can perform other types of acts. As they are related, the fiction in itself also unites them.

That makes less than no sense.

1. Yes of course. The author of the region was so original to ignore the real state. Incoherent.
2. If the news tells you to hit yourself in the head. Would you do it? You should just learn a bit of Arabic to understand that "Al-Qa'ida" is the best spell.
3. Your sentences also do not make sense,

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

North Eurkorea, under non-binding representation of The Communist Bloc through the popular will of its people and for the peace in the world to:

Nether you nor The Communist Bloc can condemn anyone, only the Security Council. R4(d) violation.

Reaffirm its commitment to sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of all States in accordance with the Charter of the World Assembly, to

Nobody cares - this is just waffle.

Reaffirm that terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to peace and security and that any acts of terrorism are criminal and unjustifiable regardless of their motivations, whenever, wherever, and by whomsoever committed, to

More filler.

Reaffirm that terrorism should not be associated with any religion, nationality, civilization or ethnic group, even if it has a theological basis, to

Oh more waffle. Nothing to do with the SC mate. And use of "Reaffirm" again.

Condemn terrorists and terrorist groups, in particular the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as Da’esh), Al-Qaida, and associated individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities, for ongoing and multiple criminal terrorist acts aimed at causing the deaths of innocent civilians and other victims, and greatly undermining stability. It is

All real world references and nothing to do with the nominated region.

Deeply concerned by the increasing number of victims, especially among civilians of diverse nationalities and beliefs, caused by terrorism motivated by intolerance or extremism in various regions of the world, reaffirming its profound solidarity with the victims of terrorism and their families, and stressing the importance of assisting victims of terrorism and providing them and their families with support to cope with their loss and grief. It is also:

Basically more bullshit than a field full of cows.

Gravely concerned that in some cases terrorists or terrorist groups, in particular ISIL, Al-Qaida, and associated individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities continue to profit from involvement in transnational organized crime, and expressing concern that terrorists benefit from transnational organized crime in some regions, including from the trafficking of arms, persons, drugs, and artifacts, and from the illicit trade in natural resources including gold and other precious metals and stones, minerals, wildlife, charcoal and oil, as well as from kidnapping for ransom and other crimes including extortion and bank robbery

What has any of this to do with the nominated region?

Is any of this getting through to you?

[Wallenburg]

Da'esh is an acronym of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, not Islamic State. It remains a real world reference for that reason.

I guess every news outlet that has ever covered Al Qaeda has misspelled it then.

That makes less than no sense.

1. Yes of course. The author of the region was so original to ignore the real state. Incoherent.

That is not what I said. I pointed out that using the word "Da'esh" is a real world reference because it is an acronym for "Islamic State in Iraq and Levant", which is not the name of the target region.

2. If the news tells you to hit yourself in the head. Would you do it?

What the hell is this supposed to mean? First, the news doesn't tell me to do so, so your wannabe analogy does not have any grounds in reality. Second, encouraging bad ideas does not mean you are incapable of correct spelling. Your response is nonsense.

You should just learn a bit of Arabic to understand that "Al-Qa'ida" is the best spell.

"The best spell"?

3. Your sentences also do not make sense,

Perhaps English is not your first language? I see no other reason why you would have difficulty understanding me.

[Greater Cesnica]

1. Yes of course. The author of the region was so original to ignore the real state. Incoherent.

That is not what I said. I pointed out that using the word "Da'esh" is a real world reference because it is an acronym for "Islamic State in Iraq and Levant", which is not the name of the target region.

2. If the news tells you to hit yourself in the head. Would you do it?

What the hell is this supposed to mean? First, the news doesn't tell me to do so, so your wannabe analogy does not have any grounds in reality. Second, encouraging bad ideas does not mean you are incapable of correct spelling. Your response is nonsense.

You should just learn a bit of Arabic to understand that "Al-Qa'ida" is the best spell.

"The best spell"?

3. Your sentences also do not make sense,

Perhaps English is not your first language? I see no other reason why you would have difficulty understanding me.

Oh English is a first language. I just feel that the "logic" portion of their brain seems to have gone comatose without him/her noticing.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

North Eurkorea, under non-binding representation of The Communist Bloc through the popular will of its people and for the peace in the world to:

Nether you nor The Communist Bloc can condemn anyone, only the Security Council. R4(d) violation.

Reaffirm its commitment to sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of all States in accordance with the Charter of the World Assembly, to

Nobody cares - this is just waffle.

Reaffirm that terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to peace and security and that any acts of terrorism are criminal and unjustifiable regardless of their motivations, whenever, wherever, and by whomsoever committed, to

More filler.

Reaffirm that terrorism should not be associated with any religion, nationality, civilization or ethnic group, even if it has a theological basis, to

Oh more waffle. Nothing to do with the SC mate. And use of "Reaffirm" again.

Condemn terrorists and terrorist groups, in particular the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as Da’esh), Al-Qaida, and associated individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities, for ongoing and multiple criminal terrorist acts aimed at causing the deaths of innocent civilians and other victims, and greatly undermining stability. It is

All real world references and nothing to do with the nominated region.

Deeply concerned by the increasing number of victims, especially among civilians of diverse nationalities and beliefs, caused by terrorism motivated by intolerance or extremism in various regions of the world, reaffirming its profound solidarity with the victims of terrorism and their families, and stressing the importance of assisting victims of terrorism and providing them and their families with support to cope with their loss and grief. It is also:

Basically more bullshit than a field full of cows.

Gravely concerned that in some cases terrorists or terrorist groups, in particular ISIL, Al-Qaida, and associated individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities continue to profit from involvement in transnational organized crime, and expressing concern that terrorists benefit from transnational organized crime in some regions, including from the trafficking of arms, persons, drugs, and artifacts, and from the illicit trade in natural resources including gold and other precious metals and stones, minerals, wildlife, charcoal and oil, as well as from kidnapping for ransom and other crimes including extortion and bank robbery

What has any of this to do with the nominated region?

Is any of this getting through to you?

1. It is a condemn proposal. A proposal is a desire for, so it is condemned from the very moment of the proposal, which must be ratified by the nations.
2. If you do not care, it is your own problem, not ours.
3. Yes, "Islamic State", the name of a pacifist country, out of the head of a naive person of noble heart.
4. Islam belongs to the real world, so, in role-play, its theoretical-practical aspect is condemned. Thus, the name is Islamic State, and Islam can be condemned as a state ideology that goes against world peace.

That is not what I said. I pointed out that using the word "Da'esh" is a real world reference because it is an acronym for "Islamic State in Iraq and Levant", which is not the name of the target region.

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It is the same by the way. And the author of that region thought about it and created it with that function. As it was said: the media often use "Islamic State" and not all the acronym.

What the hell is this supposed to mean? First, the news doesn't tell me to do so, so your wannabe analogy does not have any grounds in reality. Second, encouraging bad ideas does not mean you are incapable of correct spelling. Your response is nonsense.

Al-Qa-'ida, or Al-Qaeeda, or Al-Qáida. Not my problem if its written or transcripted wrongly.

Perhaps English is not your first language? I see no other reason why you would have difficulty understanding me.

I understand what you say, but I do not understand the sense of it.

[Kaboomlandia]

Okay. I'll give it a go.

The major, major, MAJOR problem with this proposal, and the #1 reason why it cannot be submitted at all without being removed by the moderators, is because the proposal mentions events that have happened in the real world.

You cannot mention "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" because it does not exist anywhere in the game by that name. You cannot mention "Al-Qaeda" (screw it, this is the name I call it by) because it does not exist anywhere in the game at all. You cannot mention any of the atrocities that the real ISIL has done because the region of Islamic State has not committed any of them.

And you have to write your proposal from a neutral perspective of the World Assembly, and you're still missing an operative clause such as "Hereby condemns blahblahland" or something along those lines.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Okay. I'll give it a go.

The major, major, MAJOR problem with this proposal, and the #1 reason why it cannot be submitted at all without being removed by the moderators, is because the proposal mentions events that have happened in the real world.

You cannot mention "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" because it does not exist anywhere in the game by that name. You cannot mention "Al-Qaeda" (screw it, this is the name I call it by) because it does not exist anywhere in the game at all. You cannot mention any of the atrocities that the real ISIL has done because the region of Islamic State has not committed any of them.

And you have to write your proposal from a neutral perspective of the World Assembly, and you're still missing an operative clause such as "Hereby condemns blahblahland" or something along those lines.

1. Fiction takes initiative from reality, without having a direct connection with it.
2. Islamic State and ISIL, and ISIS are the same by the way. in order for your argument to be consistent, regions with real country names should also be banned. There is no ambiguity when analyzing that the creator of such a region was inspired by an event of reality; I, did the same.
3. I can mention Al-Qa'ida because by itself as I can mention K. Marx. if I talk about The Communist Bloc, but without alluding to a reality that already occurred.
4. If you read properly, a sentence, even in the middle of the text, can never be a neutral. The text itself is the most partial.
5. The rules, as I said, do not speak of a damning conclusion.

[Radicalania]

Whilst I certainly believe in condemning IS, can I throw it out there and inform you (and everyone else) that you've not been asked to represent TCB in this matter, and are therefore in breach of an internal Executive Order which prohibits you from doing this.

Please remove that clause sharpish. Cheers!
Martyn Kiryu
Acting Premier of TCB

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Whilst I certainly believe in condemning IS, can I throw it out there and inform you (and everyone else) that you've not been asked to represent TCB in this matter, and are therefore in breach of an Executive Order which prohibits you from doing this.

Please remove that clause sharpis.

Hello, comrade;

That's why I said: " under non-binding representation", because, being a member of the communist bloc, he already makes me a representative of him, although without any power (that is, non-binding)

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Whilst I certainly believe in condemning IS, can I throw it out there and inform you (and everyone else) that you've not been asked to represent TCB in this matter, and are therefore in breach of an Executive Order which prohibits you from doing this.

Please remove that clause sharpis.

Hello, comrade;

That's why I said: " under non-binding representation", because, being a member of the communist bloc, it already makes me a representative of it, although without any power (that is, non-binding)

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Mis-targeted, illegal proposal. The Real target is The Islamic State in Iraq and The Levant, but it is already under control of TBR Ghost Division for the Glory of Almighty Raideron, only Real God this game recognizes.

The founder will CTE soon, tho. Password of the region is 'ISIL'.

What a bonehead author. Read the rules!

- Cora -

I read them perfectly.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Okay, so Getting Help Request sent to Moderation for the removal of this proposal.

If the author is right and there's nothing wrong with it, it will stay. If everyone else is right then it will be removed.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Okay, so Getting Help Request sent to Moderation for the removal of this proposal.

If the author is right and there's nothing wrong with it, it will stay. If everyone else is right then it will be removed.

That's not the problem. The problem is based on the imposition of ideas without a debate, without an exegesis and whose maxim, at the end of the debate, is "reporting to moderation" without using a greater argument than threat of authority. The moderator will do what he/she has to do, what concerns me is the impartiality of his decision and the pressure that is made by external and biased opinions.

[Wallenburg]

Okay, so Getting Help Request sent to Moderation for the removal of this proposal.

If the author is right and there's nothing wrong with it, it will stay. If everyone else is right then it will be removed.

That's not the problem. The problem is based on the imposition of ideas without a debate, without an exegesis and whose maxim, at the end of the debate, is "reporting to moderation" without using a greater argument than threat of authority. The moderator will do what he/she has to do, what concerns me is the impartiality of his decision and the pressure that is made by external and biased opinions.

There's no point in debate when you didn't bother to draft your proposal.

[Thermodolia]

Okay, so Getting Help Request sent to Moderation for the removal of this proposal.

If the author is right and there's nothing wrong with it, it will stay. If everyone else is right then it will be removed.

That's not the problem. The problem is based on the imposition of ideas without a debate, without an exegesis and whose maxim, at the end of the debate, is "reporting to moderation" without using a greater argument than threat of authority. The moderator will do what he/she has to do, what concerns me is the impartiality of his decision and the pressure that is made by external and biased opinions.

We had a debate you chose not to listen

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

That's not the problem. The problem is based on the imposition of ideas without a debate, without an exegesis and whose maxim, at the end of the debate, is "reporting to moderation" without using a greater argument than threat of authority. The moderator will do what he/she has to do, what concerns me is the impartiality of his decision and the pressure that is made by external and biased opinions.

There's no point in debate when you didn't bother to draft your proposal.

My proposal is a proposal of condemnation to the Islamic State, such is the meaning and the matrix of the proposal.

North Eurkorea. I'm sure that most people here understand very well the point you're trying to make (most of them probably agree with it wholeheartedly), but how you try do it is against several rules of NS Security council.

Then the rules must be nuanced, because ontologically there is no contradiction between my proposals and the rules except your association of reality with my fiction, irrelevant.

We had a debate you chose not to listen

A debate can not be made if the parts of the debate do not listen (to read, better said) and refute the postulates of each one. Therefore, this phrase is inconsistent.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

Ahaa I see, you speak about The Islamic State that exist in real life in The NationStates.

Here ---> The Islamic State

Currently under control of Fenda group. THE region is trophy, and much more suitable target for your condemnation.

NS WA-SC have no authority over ISIL, any states, terrorists, ideology, religion whatever beyond the game.

That is ontological fact, also coded to the WA-SC rules.

If you take metagame perspective in The NS-Security Council, you go the woods straight away. No proposal of yours will be ever accepted, unless the rules themselves are changed.

Different regions. I mean this one: https://www.nationstates.net/region=islamic_state.

Bla, bla, bla.

[Lost Gem]

just to throw in some words:
"is like talking to cabbage" and so on..
are you seriously describing someone here?
some moderation is needed, seems to be, not only for the proposal itself.

relating to this: i think it would be a good idea but has no chance here..

to op: but i doubt, your theoretical thinking is logical, but it isnt following the rules word by word. despite some english motherlanguage speaking grammar na***, who seem to lack interest into international gameplay, i say thank you for teaching us in arabic.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

just to throw in some words:
"is like talking to cabbage" and so on..
are you seriously describing someone here?
some moderation is needed, seems to be, not only for the proposal itself.

relating to this: i think it would be a good idea but has no chance here..

to op: but i doubt, your theoretical thinking is logical, but it isnt following the rules word by word. despite some english motherlanguage speaking grammar na***, who seem to lack interest into international gameplay, i say thank you for teaching us in arabic.

You're welcome.

[North Eurkorea (Ancient)]

From there: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8809

There are four rules for Security Council proposals:

1. You cannot commend or condemn members of the site staff (Moderators, Administrators, Issues Editors, Roleplay Mentors etc.) for actions taken as part of their role.

2. Proposals must contain a unique and relevant argument.
That means:
(a) Don't plagiarise - that will get you expelled from the WA.
(b) Don't duplicate. Nations that have already been Commended/Condemned for a certain set of actions can't be Commended or Condemned again for that set of actions. Equally, Liberations cannot duplicate any existing ones for that region.
(c) Don't use proposals to raise issues that should be dealt with elsewhere, such as rules violations and technical suggestions.
(d) Repeals should address the contents of the resolution they're repealing, and not by just stating the reverse of the arguments given in the resolution.
3. Your proposal must contain an operative clause stating what the proposal actually does, e.g. commends, condemns, liberates, or repeals. Commendations/Condemnation can only commend/condemn the nominee, Liberations can only liberate the targeted region, and Repeals can only repeal the targeted resolution. For example, your proposal cannot impose fines, sanctions or a boycott on a condemned nation.

4. Your proposal must read as representing the opinion of the World Assembly, and as targeting a Nation or Region.
This means:
(a) You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates.
(b) You must refer to nations as nations, not as the player behind them. This includes the use of pronouns such as "he" or "she" as opposed to "they".
(c) You cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game.
(d) Your proposal must be written from the perspective of the World Assembly.

Read the rules again and re-try with better proposal, hopefully after extensive discussions... or You can start your own ontological (metagame) thread about the topic in General Discussion Forums: Here -> viewforum.php?f=20

Islamic State has done nothing that warrant WA-SC condemnation.

No metagame involved. The presence of real entities for matters of fiction carries with it also real ideological entities that can also be used in fiction. The actual use of "Islamic State" as a region (and as a denomination of a virtual sultanate) can also respond to interrelated acts between reality and fiction. Thus, for example, proposing a condemnation of the fascist regions for their racist politics is something that happened in reality but at the same time, by taking the name "fascist" creates a relationship between realities, fictional and the own. In short, it is the association between identity (of the thing) and what it represents (ideology). That's why have a Communist bloc, christians unions and weed-lovers associations.

[Crazy girl]

Removed the proposal. That's the second one today. You do best to look at other proposals, draft here and take in advice from the regulars and familiarise yourself with the rules properly.