[DRAFT] Condemn Keshiland

[Odinburgh]

I wouldn't support this at all. That be said I never had any dealings with Keshiland. Therefore he if has argument to make though not a good one in current legislation of his that is at vote should go back to drawing board and make a better case for it with better outlined details. That's just my words of wisdom and logic to Keshiland.

[Paquador]

Is there a way of putting forward a proposal to check if it is 'legal' without having to submit it to the board and delegate votes? Or is there a way to do it here?

[Ransium]

I don't understand how you can seriously consider submitting a resolution condemning someone more or less for refusing to listen to experienced players and submitting resolutions they shouldn't when so many experienced players are begging YOU not to submit this. I mean the target was rude about not listening and your are not being rude, but how can you not see the irony?

[Paquador]

I don't understand how you can seriously consider submitting a resolution condemning someone more or less for refusing to listen to experienced players and submitting resolutions they shouldn't when so many experienced players are begging YOU not to submit this. I mean the target was rude about not listening and your are not being rude, but how can you not see the irony?

I have not said I'm submitting this, I have stated that I've listened to the views and been impacted by some statements by experienced members of the WA especially in regards to how condemnations work and their previous use. I have outlined this, or at least I believed I had, in earlier posts, you may not have seen.

As I said then and say no I am heartened by the discussion this has generated around the purpose of condemnations, how to address the issue of someone acting as Keshiland does and in giving me experience in drafting SC proposal and the rules around it.

I hope no one views this as a waste of time but I admit that this was drafted at a time when I was extremely annoyed by the actions of Keshiland and began a process I hoped would highlight to them how to go about proposal writing and how to draft and take on board feedback.

Thank you for your post. It has been noted.

[Ransium]

I didn't see your earlier post.

How about this Commendations / condemnations are timeless and should not be based on the moment. Why don't you wait 2-3 weeks and see if you still think this resolution is a good idea before submitting. This sort of drafting period is not extroidinarly long for most SC legislation.

[Paquador]

I didn't see your earlier post.

How about this Commendations / condemnations are timeless and should not be based on the moment. Why don't you wait 2-3 weeks and see if you still think this resolution is a good idea before submitting. This sort of drafting period is not extroidinarly long for most SC legislation.

Again this was raised by other people and I have stated I am waiting. Don't worry. If there's one thing I've learnt after my first few days of WA activity it's that proposals need to time to age and ferment. And that the WA is a slow process!

[Ransium]

Thank you. Sorry for not reading the thread throughly. I'm still against this, but I hope you pick a target I can support in the future.

[Paquador]

Thank you. Sorry for not reading the thread throughly. I'm still against this, but I hope you pick a target I can support in the future.

Cheers, much appreciated and hey it might be handy for me to state it again so there's no bother done!

[Consular]

Hate to break it to you but there are a number of Condemned nations who continued to write both GA and SC proposals and get them passed after they were Condemned.

Your argument doesn't stack up.

Then how do you propose we punish Keshiland for his behavior?

We don't. We just ignore him.

Benji allowed himself an exasperated sigh

Why are we even debating this.

[Cedoria]

Opposed. Whilst I understand the irritance against this particular nation, giving out a Condemnation would be a signal to every tin-pot glory hound that there are Condemnations to be had by repeatedly submitting junk proposals and irritating the bejeebus out of every player on the GA Forums..

That said, I appreciate it's intent and am glad to see it's author is responding in a much more constructive way to criticism than the object of this debate. It's pleasing to see and speaks much better of their future prospects as a part of this organisation then the object of this proposal.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Hate to break it to you but there are a number of Condemned nations who continued to write both GA and SC proposals and get them passed after they were Condemned.

Your argument doesn't stack up.

Then how do you propose we punish Keshiland for his behavior?

How about we defeat his repeal 9-to-1? Is that honestly not enough?