[DEFEATED] Condemn The Order of the Grey Wardens

[Chires Sira]

You are going after the wrong target. The Red Fleet has a far more egregious history of invading innocent regions under guise of moral justice. Just because we used to have an embassy with Kaiserreich, they invaded our region without any warning.

I still don't understand what the big fuss about Kaiserreich is about. They are based on the German Empire, not the Nazis. Even if they were based on Nazis, that isn't an endorsement of their policies. I have roleplayed in the past using ideologies I disagreed with, that doesn't mean I was endorsing those ideologies.

Exactly. Trotskyist expansionists get no condemnation for some reason. I think these leftist raiders don't understand history and assume anything remotely related to pre-1950s Germany is Nazi.

[United kingdom oF chris]

I believe when the international law is seriously violated or a nation's sovereignty, we should respond in a very strong way, on that note i will vote against. so should you all.

[Tim-Opolis]

They have received a stern dressing down by King Westwind and since changed military commander.

Howdy,

Tim Stark, Warden-Commander in The Grey Wardens. I orchestrated the Warzone Europe hit. I assure you I'm very much still a Warden-Commander. This is F A K E N E W S

[Kurnugia]

You are going after the wrong target. The Red Fleet has a far more egregious history of invading innocent regions under guise of moral justice. Just because we used to have an embassy with Kaiserreich, they invaded our region without any warning.

I still don't understand what the big fuss about Kaiserreich is about. They are based on the German Empire, not the Nazis. Even if they were based on Nazis, that isn't an endorsement of their policies. I have roleplayed in the past using ideologies I disagreed with, that doesn't mean I was endorsing those ideologies.

Exactly. Trotskyist expansionists get no condemnation for some reason. I think these leftist raiders don't understand history and assume anything remotely related to pre-1950s Germany is Nazi.

Actually, they got commended.

[Wallenburg]

You are going after the wrong target. The Red Fleet has a far more egregious history of invading innocent regions under guise of moral justice. Just because we used to have an embassy with Kaiserreich, they invaded our region without any warning.

I was thinking something along these lines as well. I'd be down for a repeal of TRF's commendation.

[Nativista]

Harrison claps at a fly. Wiping it off his hands, he sits up straight. "Well, I can guarantee you all that, no matter what the proposal, no matter who votes for what, no matter how idiotic and redundant it may be, I'll bet my position as the Director of Miscellany that a repeal will be drafted almost immediately."

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Harrison claps at a fly. Wiping it off his hands, he sits up straight. "Well, I can guarantee you all that, no matter what the proposal, no matter who votes for what, no matter how idiotic and redundant it may be, I'll bet my position as the Director of Miscellany that a repeal will be drafted almost immediately."

Well in this case you'd lose. This proposal is not passing, so a repeal will not be required.

[Aclion]

Exactly. Trotskyist expansionists get no condemnation for some reason. I think these leftist raiders don't understand history and assume anything remotely related to pre-1950s Germany is Nazi.

Actually, they got commended.

Which is something that should be repealed, I'm on the fence on a condemnation but their commendation is a stain on all the commended regions.

[The Greater Libertalian Islands]

Outlined here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=825023

I decided to Abstain in condemning The Order of the Grey Wardens purely because I'm not well versed on the current state of international relations enough to make a decision, and a vote would purely be a coin flip on my half.

[Confederate Nations of Africa]

We stand here today voting on whether to condemn a nation/region based on a few raiders. I say let the raiders raid. The ones who should be condemned are the able defenders who sat aside and did nothing! What say you

[Kurnugia]

We stand here today voting on whether to condemn a nation/region based on a few raiders. I say let the raiders raid. The ones who should be condemned are the able defenders who sat aside and did nothing! What say you

Not a very good reasoning. You see the thing is defender need as many people as possible. This is because that the initiative is hugely on the raiders side. Meaning they have time to pile. Thus massivly increasing the need of personel and organisation.

In the spirit of your proposed condemnatiom every player in with a founder in their region also needs to be condemned. For they do not do their part in the defending.

[The Interstellar Federation]

I don't even get involved in R/D business but even I know this resolution is hilariously terrible.

[Drop Your Pants]

We stand here today voting on whether to condemn a nation/region based on a few raiders. I say let the raiders raid. The ones who should be condemned are the able defenders who sat aside and did nothing! What say you

Read the whole topic, The Grey Wardens are defenders (mostly).

[Roavin]

Not just mostly defenders - we are defenders, period.

[RiderSyl]

period.

Quite redundant.

I don't even get involved in R/D business but even I know this resolution is hilariously terrible.

The Security Council has always been hit with a lot of hilariously terrible resolutions. The difference lately is that they're making it to vote. I feel like I could try to Commend a random nation I've never spoken to before... let's say you, and as long as I put at least 2 minutes and 3 brain cells into it, it would reach quorum.

[Drop Your Pants]

Not just mostly defenders - we are defenders, period.

Don't make me pull out the Moral Defender Guide on you (If i can find it)

[Cerian Quilor]

We stand here today voting on whether to condemn a nation/region based on a few raiders. I say let the raiders raid. The ones who should be condemned are the able defenders who sat aside and did nothing! What say you

Not a very good reasoning. You see the thing is defender need as many people as possible. This is because that the initiative is hugely on the raiders side. Meaning they have time to pile. Thus massivly increasing the need of personel and organisation.

In the spirit of your proposed condemnatiom every player in with a founder in their region also needs to be condemned. For they do not do their part in the defending.

No. Foundered regions don't have some required 'part' in defending. It is not the affair of Kantrias to defend founderless regions with whom we have no relationship with.

[Kurnugia]

Not a very good reasoning. You see the thing is defender need as many people as possible. This is because that the initiative is hugely on the raiders side. Meaning they have time to pile. Thus massivly increasing the need of personel and organisation.

In the spirit of your proposed condemnatiom every player in with a founder in their region also needs to be condemned. For they do not do their part in the defending.

No. Foundered regions don't have some required 'part' in defending. It is not the affair of Kantrias to defend founderless regions with whom we have no relationship with.

I meant that it is funny to see some one who is not a defender wanting to condemn other regions for not protecting other regions.

[Tim-Opolis]

Not just mostly defenders - we are defenders, period.

Don't make me pull out the Moral Defender Guide on you (If i can find it)

I've done a very effective job of suppressing that sub-faction, don't you bring it back!

[Guy]

i laugh

also tim moralistfendas4lyf

[Cerian Quilor]

No. Foundered regions don't have some required 'part' in defending. It is not the affair of Kantrias to defend founderless regions with whom we have no relationship with.

I meant that it is funny to see some one who is not a defender wanting to condemn other regions for not protecting other regions.

Defenders voluntarily take up a charge. Thus, they should be at least critiqued if they aren't following through on that.

TGW, for all the reasons I don't like them, are at least defending and advancing defenderdom. But someone who doesn't defend can still go at self-professed defenders for not defending.

[Crystal Sword Founder]

You know the Grey Wardens are probably one of most organized defenders groups there are. As for this ridiculous proposal, it's trash. It sounds like a personal problem you have with them. As a member of several defender organizations, I've worked with them on a couple of occasions. Each time was professional, and successful. They didn't do anything stupid. The proposal will fail so I won't ramble about it.
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[Pergamon]

Veni Vidi Vici.

Some userites are powerless against the will of the Feeders.

I warned you. I told you.

[Cresenthia]

Veni Vidi Vici.

Some userites are powerless against the will of the Feeders.

I warned you. I told you.

To be honest, making quorum was success enough for me.

[Korallia]

You're not as good at changing the narrative as you think you are.