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Postby The Democratic Kingdom » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:36 pm

what is "SC?"
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Postby Abhichandra » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:37 pm

The Democratic Kingdom wrote:what is "SC?"


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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:39 am

What will be the future of the SC Rules Discussion thread?
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:33 am

I'm inclined to leave it be (open) as it's better suited to in-depth rules discussions, while this is more of a short question and answer thread.

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So what happens if your Region gets Condemned?

Postby German Wehrmacht » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:35 pm

Just curious.
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Postby Drasnia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:22 pm

The region gets a badge on the region page. That's it.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:47 pm

German Wehrmacht wrote:Just curious.

Merged into the Q/A thread.
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Postby German Wehrmacht » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:50 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
German Wehrmacht wrote:Just curious.

Merged into the Q/A thread.


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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:52 pm

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Mallorea and Riva wrote:Merged into the Q/A thread.


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No problem. The above answer is correct from a mechanics perspective. It's no different from a nation being condemned, like mine is. You get the badge that links to the resolution. Any social/political consequences that result are purely up to the players.
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Postby North Yo » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:03 am

Is it possible to have both a condemnation/commendation and a liberation?

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:25 am

North Yo wrote:Is it possible to have both a condemnation/commendation and a liberation?

Yes. As long as the rules are followed, you can have as many badges as the voters want you to.
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Postby Abhichandra » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:35 am

So I'm a little confused. The GA is IC, but is the SC OOC? (Should c/c's be written in IC or OOC)?

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:38 am

Abhichandra wrote:So I'm a little confused. The GA is IC, but is the SC OOC? (Should c/c's be written in IC or OOC)?

Yeah this is a confusing bit. SC resolutions are written from an IC perspective per Rule 4. The debates, however, are almost always OOC. The question is whether they really are OOC, or if our gameplay personas are our "IC" way of playing the game. So there are three different potential levels to look at it (or more), totally OOC, IC per Rule 4, and IC per gameplay.

tl;dr see Rule 4.
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Postby Unibot III » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:14 am

The IC/OOC distinction is not exactly specific enough...

If we're talking about drafting and drafting discussions, culturally the GA is divided over whether drafting ought to be done IC or OOC (you'll see both), drafting and discussions resolutions IC in the SC, meanwhile, is far, far, far rarer. A culture of SC roleplay never exactly caught on (in part because the controversial creation of Rule IV kind of sucked the oxygen out of the SC community at the time: we were forced to fight for 'gameplay rights' in the SC and there was a lot of infighting between the GA's roleplayers and the SC's gameplayers making it uncomfortable to be a SC roleplayer.)

If we're talking about resolutions, both the GA and the SC require that resolutions be written from the perspective of the World Assembly (which you might call "IC") but they have different standards. In the GA, that test is made of a trinity of the metagaming rule, the real world reference rule, and the game mechanics rule which is the tougher test. You can't, for example, discuss 'regional passwords' in GA resolutions because that's beyond the scope of the GA and its roleplayed subjects - discussing regional passwords would be a metagaming violation and potentially a game mechanics violation.

The test in the SC, Rule IV, is far looser and flexible to allow the SC to discuss matters related to NS Gameplay and NS Roleplay. Rule IV is broken into four parts: A is analogous to the GA's real world reference rule, B & C can be thought of as the SC's metagaming rules, D is a format violation in the GA, and the SC's Rule III fulfills the role of the GA's game mechanics rule. Rule IV B & C are where the SC diverges from the GA because it's a much more flexible protocol than the GA: the GA is limited to talking about 'roleplayed' national matters (health, the environment, security etc.) whereas the SC can talk about regional passwords too and World Factbook Entries and Regional Message Boards. Provided you make it understandable and intelligible within the confines of the game, you can pass Rule IV B &C. In others, in the SC, you can break the fourth wall provided you make it sound like you aren't, whereas in the GA, you are not ever allowed to break the fourth wall. This is where SC authors have to deploy a certain genius to circumvent Rule IV artfully.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:26 am

Unibot III wrote: This is where SC authors have to deploy a certain genius to circumvent Rule IV artfully.

We don't circumvent, we Creatively Comply.
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Postby Drasnia » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:33 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Unibot III wrote: This is where SC authors have to deploy a certain genius to circumvent Rule IV artfully.

We don't circumvent, we Creatively Comply.

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SC: Commendations

Postby Germaustia » Thu May 04, 2017 5:23 am

Quick question, this will most likely become a debate, but why on Earth is the only thing that comes through the SC, Commendations. Every time something is at vote, its never an actual matter, its about someone doing something to get a commendation. Point I'm trying to ask is why do we have Commendations, when we could easily be putting up better things for vote, not someone getting a commendation over some 'Defense of a region' that no one has heard of. There should be restriction to the amount of Commendations, because we get at least 5 per month, and it shouldn't only be Commendations coming up within SC, to waste space.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu May 04, 2017 7:26 am

The Security Council can only do three things; Commend a nation or region, Condemn a nation or region and Liberate a region. It can also repeal previously passed resolutions. This is what it was designed to do.

If you think it should be doing other "stuff" then your understanding of the SC's purpose may be faulty.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri May 05, 2017 1:34 pm

Germaustia wrote:Quick question, this will most likely become a debate, but why on Earth is the only thing that comes through the SC, Commendations. Every time something is at vote, its never an actual matter, its about someone doing something to get a commendation. Point I'm trying to ask is why do we have Commendations, when we could easily be putting up better things for vote, not someone getting a commendation over some 'Defense of a region' that no one has heard of. There should be restriction to the amount of Commendations, because we get at least 5 per month, and it shouldn't only be Commendations coming up within SC, to waste space.


There is a limit per month on commendations: it's 7. Voting takes four days, so it's physically impossible in most circumstances to commend more than seven nominees a month. Honestly, it's usually far less than that. Probably more like once a month (with several failing.)

The SC queue is not very busy with condemnations or liberations these days so I don't see the harm in commendations going to vote. Once military gameplay starts getting more active, the SC will get more involved in liberating special cases - but without targets for liberations, the SC has nothing to proceed on.
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Postby Drasnia » Fri May 05, 2017 1:48 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Germaustia wrote:Quick question, this will most likely become a debate, but why on Earth is the only thing that comes through the SC, Commendations. Every time something is at vote, its never an actual matter, its about someone doing something to get a commendation. Point I'm trying to ask is why do we have Commendations, when we could easily be putting up better things for vote, not someone getting a commendation over some 'Defense of a region' that no one has heard of. There should be restriction to the amount of Commendations, because we get at least 5 per month, and it shouldn't only be Commendations coming up within SC, to waste space.


There is a limit per month on commendations: it's 7. Voting takes four days, so it's physically impossible in most circumstances to commend more than seven nominees a month. Honestly, it's usually far less than that. Probably more like once a month (with several failing.)

The SC queue is not very busy with condemnations or liberations these days so I don't see the harm in commendations going to vote. Once military gameplay starts getting more active, the SC will get more involved in liberating special cases - but without targets for liberations, the SC has nothing to proceed on.

Just to piggyback on to this, the SC is often very cyclical. For the longest time the only thing we ever seemed to vote on were liberations. Before then condemnations. It's nice that we're finally getting around to commending some people because it had been quite a while since we had.
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Postby Greater Hunnia » Fri May 19, 2017 2:46 am

Question: is it legal to write a condemnation in reaction to a draft that didn't make it to the SC? I know that proposals are supposed to be about in the game stuff, but I don't know if drafts fall into this category, or only drafts that made it to vote canonically exist in NS.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri May 19, 2017 3:55 am

Greater Hunnia wrote:Question: is it legal to write a condemnation in reaction to a draft that didn't make it to the SC? I know that proposals are supposed to be about in the game stuff, but I don't know if drafts fall into this category, or only drafts that made it to vote canonically exist in NS.

See the ruling on tit-for-tat proposals here:

viewtopic.php?p=3755848#tit_for_tat

If you're going to submit a proposal to condemn Humberistan solely based on the fact that they have drafted a condemnation of your region, then I suspect that it would fall foul of this ruling. Make it more substantive than that and you should be fine.
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Postby Greater Hunnia » Fri May 19, 2017 4:08 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Greater Hunnia wrote:Question: is it legal to write a condemnation in reaction to a draft that didn't make it to the SC? I know that proposals are supposed to be about in the game stuff, but I don't know if drafts fall into this category, or only drafts that made it to vote canonically exist in NS.

See the ruling on tit-for-tat proposals here:

viewtopic.php?p=3755848#tit_for_tat

If you're going to submit a proposal to condemn Humberistan solely based on the fact that they have drafted a condemnation of your region, then I suspect that it would fall foul of this ruling. Make it more substantive than that and you should be fine.


I'll keep that in my mind, but my original question persists: do drafts that fail to make it to the SC exist canonically in the game, thus can be referenced in further proposals?
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