[DRAFT] Condemn HYDRA Command

[Honeydewistan]

Security council of The WA,
Condemn Hydra Command
NOTING that Hydra Command is a notorious raider organization
ACKNOWLEDGING that Hydra COMMAND invades and ejects natives of many innocent regions, then uses the regions as trophies.
FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that Hydra Command posts "HAIL HYDRA!" or "HEIL HYDRA!" everywhere, which makes it nationalist, which is frowned upon many nations in NationStates.
Hereby Condemns Hydra Command.

[Tinhampton]

The first bit describes usual raider tactics which HYDRA is not along in using; the second bit is false in its claims that "Hail HYDRA" is a nationalistic slogan (although it certainly is used on the WFE of colonised territories). AGAINST.

[Cerian Quilor]

Too short, needs more detail, shouting Hail Hydra is not in of itself some terrible thing. Moving right along.

[Honeydewistan]

Too short, needs more detail, shouting Hail Hydra is not in of itself some terrible thing. Moving right along.

do any of you have anything to help it become longer?

[Honeydewistan]

The first bit describes usual raider tactics which HYDRA is not along in using; the second bit is false in its claims that "Hail HYDRA" is a nationalistic slogan (although it certainly is used on the WFE of colonised territories). AGAINST.

also, wasn't "HAIL HITLER" a nationalistic slogan?
The slogans are similar, so aren't the meanings similar? For nationalism?

[Cerian Quilor]

The first bit describes usual raider tactics which HYDRA is not along in using; the second bit is false in its claims that "Hail HYDRA" is a nationalistic slogan (although it certainly is used on the WFE of colonised territories). AGAINST.

also, wasn't "HAIL HITLER" a nationalistic slogan?
The slogans are similar, so aren't the meanings similar? For nationalism?

Details on their actual offenses (regions they've attacked, regions they've aggressively refounded, etc) would help.

Hail does not mean anything specifically Nazi. Here's what 'Hail' means:

call out to (someone) to attract attention.
"the crew hailed a fishing boat"
synonyms: call out to, shout to, address; More
signal (an approaching taxicab) to stop.
"she raised her hand to hail a cab"
synonyms: flag down, wave down, signal to
"he hailed a cab"
2.
acclaim enthusiastically as being a specified thing.
"he has been hailed as the new James Dean"
synonyms: acclaim, praise, applaud, rave about, extol, eulogize, hymn, lionize, sing the praises of, make much of, glorify, cheer, salute, toast, ballyhoo; formallaud
"critics hailed the film as a masterpiece"
3.
have one's home or origins in (a place).
"he hails from Pittsburgh"
synonyms: come from, be from, be a native of, have one's roots in
"Rick hails from Australia"
exclamationarchaic
exclamation: hail
1.
expressing greeting or acclaim.
"hail, Caesar!"
noun
noun: hail; plural noun: hails
1.
a shout or call used to attract attention.

Your logic is that the Catholic Church (Hail Mary), any monarchy (Hail the King), the United States (Hail to the Chief, the official anthem of the US Presidency), the entire Roman Republic and Empire (Ave Caesar - meaning Hail Caesar, and Caesar didn't invent 'Ave' as a greeting for generals) and any other contexts which uses a perfectly innocent word are all 'nationalist' and therefore evil.

Now, is it true that Hydra, the fictional organization that this raiding group is based on, used 'Hail Hydra' as a riff on actual historical Nazis? Yes, that's true. But countless fictional evil groups have deliberately used Naziesque imagery (Hail, uniforms, things based on their salute, color scheme, etc) to paint a group as 'Evil' without going into any detail as to why the group is evil. (much like this resolution, which simply says Hydra Command is evil without going into why) It's called Putting On the Reich.

So no, the use of 'Hail' does not make this region evil.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Security council of The WA,
Condemn Hydra Command
NOTING that Hydra Command is a notorious raider organization

Fairly notorious.

ACKNOWLEDGING that Hydra COMMAND invades and ejects natives of many innocent regions, then uses the regions as trophies.

Pretty much SOP for any raider group, nothing exceptional.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that Hydra Command posts "HAIL HYDRA!" or "HEIL HYDRA!" everywhere, which makes it nationalist, which is frowned upon many nations in NationStates.
Hereby Condemns Hydra Command.

So we're condemning regions for posting cartoon slogans now are we?

My first impression of your proposal was that it was extremely poor. On closer inspection I find it's not even that good.

If you want an author's badge you're going to have to work a lot, lot harder.

[Goto Mototsugu]

And the badge hunt continues?

[Cormactopia Prime]

I don't think HYDRA has done enough yet to warrant condemnation.

[McManniaa]

Are we ever going to get a well written proposal? I feel unloved.

[Honeydewistan]

Are we ever going to get a well written proposal? I feel unloved.

Why not write one yourself and post it to me?

[Tim-Opolis]

Are we ever going to get a well written proposal? I feel unloved.

Why not write one yourself and post it to me?

Because outside of the fact that if that got out it would crush any chance of a Hydra Condemnation for years, you should be authoring this yourself. If they wanted to self-condemn, they'd use a puppet.

[McManniaa]

Because that'd be lame. What good is a condemnation if your the one who wrote your own condemnation. That defeats the whole purpose of the honor of getting condemned.

[Your Average Dictatorship]

There's nothing really extraordinary about HYDRA; they're just bigger and active-the only two reasons you've ever heard of them. Nothing they do is actually condemnable, They don't do refounds and stuff like that. The stuff you described (banjecting natives, changing WFE) is commonplace for raiders. They can't keep the region if they let native WA members do their thing (endorse back to the top) and there's really no point if they can't even mark their territory. I don't like invaders in general, but like I said, nothing about HYDRA is worse than other raiders. Oh, and the whole "Hail Hydra!" thing being nationalist? Bullshit.

[Karafuto-cho]

There's nothing really extraordinary about HYDRA; they're just bigger and active-the only two reasons you've ever heard of them. Nothing they do is actually condemnable, They don't do refounds and stuff like that. The stuff you described (banjecting natives, changing WFE) is commonplace for raiders. They can't keep the region if they let native WA members do their thing (endorse back to the top) and there's really no point if they can't even mark their territory. I don't like invaders in general, but like I said, nothing about HYDRA is worse than other raiders. Oh, and the whole "Hail Hydra!" thing being nationalist? Bullshit.

HYDRA actually had a refound and an attempted one that was snatched by Woody.

[Todd McCloud]

Security council of The WA,
Condemn Hydra Command
NOTING that Hydra Command is a notorious raider organization
ACKNOWLEDGING that Hydra COMMAND invades and ejects natives of many innocent regions, then uses the regions as trophies.
FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that Hydra Command posts "HAIL HYDRA!" or "HEIL HYDRA!" everywhere, which makes it nationalist, which is frowned upon many nations in NationStates.
Hereby Condemns Hydra Command.

Furthermore, "Posts", in reference to like RMB chatter, the likes, is a Rule 4 violation.

Aside from that, a raider region condemned for the sole reason of being a raider region operating under standard raider practices hardly warrants a condemnation.

[Escape from Trump]

There's nothing really extraordinary about HYDRA; they're just bigger and active-the only two reasons you've ever heard of them. Nothing they do is actually condemnable, They don't do refounds and stuff like that. The stuff you described (banjecting natives, changing WFE) is commonplace for raiders. They can't keep the region if they let native WA members do their thing (endorse back to the top) and there's really no point if they can't even mark their territory. I don't like invaders in general, but like I said, nothing about HYDRA is worse than other raiders. Oh, and the whole "Hail Hydra!" thing being nationalist? Bullshit.

HYDRA actually had a refound and an attempted one that was snatched by Woody.

A single refound and one unsuccesful one(who's Woody? Do you mean Wordy or Woodhouse?) is not enough. They were probably defender regions, refounding defenders is commonplace. And if it is enough, it should probably be in the proposal, don't you think?

[Karafuto-cho]

HYDRA actually had a refound and an attempted one that was snatched by Woody.

A single refound and one unsuccesful one(who's Woody? Do you mean Wordy or Woodhouse?) is not enough. They were probably defender regions, refounding defenders is commonplace. And if it is enough, it should probably be in the proposal, don't you think?

Woodhouse. And neither was really a "defender" region. One was TPTHNBB and the other was Dank Memes.

[Escape from Trump]

A single refound and one unsuccesful one(who's Woody? Do you mean Wordy or Woodhouse?) is not enough. They were probably defender regions, refounding defenders is commonplace. And if it is enough, it should probably be in the proposal, don't you think?

Woodhouse. And neither was really a "defender" region. One was TPTHNBB and the other was Dank Memes.

So put that in the proposal, not the BS about banjecting natives distinguishing them from others and the slogan "Hail Hydra!" being nationalist.