NationStates

Bears Armed wrote:

Warzone Codger wrote:I think there should be a general declaration of what the community considers as 'winning' in NS.

Which "community"? There are several, after all, and their ideas on the subject of winning seem unlikely to be identical...

The security council community most likely.

The others won't care about this mechanic to make the statement

Unibot III wrote:An idea for the OP for a Declaration would be a kind of heritage preservation listing for “naturally” founderless regions — UCRs that predate founders. They’re an increasingly rare specimen.

Perhaps future resolutions could build on the heritage preservation system, by declaring historical preservation status to additional regions. Hilariously, I think Gatesville would be a good candidate.

I'll add it. Can't say I'm the most enthused about it or think it needs to be top-of-the-docket to write, but maybe someone else could get excited about it.

Unibot III wrote:I also wonder if a Declaration could address warzones — discuss their history, raise awareness of their existence …, perhaps a declaration declaring their free use?

I know some warzones were trying to create a multilateral agreement/constitution at one point.

Or the WA could go full imperialist/peacebuilding and call on a coalition of the willing to bring peace to the warzones, intervene, and hold one of them down as WA international territory. Future WASC HQ? A neutral international territory for diplomacy and stateless peoples?

I'll just put "Warzones" on the list and more specifics can be determined by any potential author.

Warzone Codger wrote:I think there should be a general declaration of what the community considers as 'winning' in NS. Max might think there is no way to 'win' the game, but that shouldn't mean the community does not have its own ideas.

There are too many arguments where people boast about something and it isn't really meaningful or significant at all.

This doesn't make sense to me since I don't typically think of "winning" as existing in an SC IC sense. Additionally, I (personally) think part of what makes NS cool is that there isn't one way to win (nor is winning necessarily mutually exclusive). But, if someone can further develop the idea of what this Declaration might mean, then maybe I'll add it.

IMO there should be a column added that states the genre of accomplishments of nominees. I compiled this FWIW:

Caracasus | Issues
Kylarnatia | Roleplay?
Maltropia ?
Red Dusk II | Defending
Pencil Sharpeners 2 | Stats, Regionbuilding
Wymondham | Regionbuilding
Aynia Moreaux | Regionbuilding
New Rogernomics | Regionbuilding
Amerion | Regionbuilding, defending?
Aumelodia II | Defending, regionbuilding (might want to replace with Aumeltopia as they are the same person)
Northern Sunrise Islands ?
Vancouvia | GA?
Kylia Quilor | Imperialist raiding/regionbuilding
Chimes | Regionbuilding, defending
Drop Your Pants | Regionbuilding, defending
Falconias | Regionbuilding, defending
Jean Rowe | Regionbuilding
Red Back | Raiding
Wickedly evil people | GCR Coups

Also, remove Twobagger from the commends list lmao

Vancouvia | GA?

How's about a resounding no on that one.

Wayneactia wrote:

Vancouvia | GA?

How's about a resounding no on that one.

Yeah I wasn't sure, I only thought so because they had 5 GA resolutions authored... I assume they are roleplay or sports then

The Python wrote:

Wayneactia wrote:

Vancouvia | GA?

How's about a resounding no on that one.

Yeah I wasn't sure, I only thought so because they had 5 GA resolutions authored... I assume they are roleplay or sports then

And all five were very quickly repealed. Vancouvia's major contribution has been to building The Western Isles, and that isn't enough.

Maybe an animal protection act bill. Or is that already passed, or is that more of GA proposal guyz.

Religious Lennox wrote:Maybe an animal protection act bill. Or is that already passed, or is that more of GA proposal guyz.

It's a GA thingy, not pertinent to the SC at all.

Moonfungus wrote:

Religious Lennox wrote:Maybe an animal protection act bill. Or is that already passed, or is that more of GA proposal guyz.

It's a GA thingy, not pertinent to the SC at all.

Ok thanks for clarifying!

Perhaps will the current at-vote resolution failing, someone should consider drafting a 'pro-recruitment' international agreement that permits fair-use of recruitment as free expression and outreach.

Given current events, a Declaration on the use of espionage might be relevant and necessary.

Unibot III wrote:Given current events, a Declaration on the use of espionage might be relevant and necessary.

Which will have zero effect as declarations are non binding.

Unibot III wrote:Given current events, a Declaration on the use of espionage might be relevant and necessary.

Necessary... how?

I have drafted a proposal for a declaration:
(I posted it but withdrew it after Jedinsto suggested I put it here first)
Declaration on Socialism and Capitalism
The General Assembly,
DEFINES Socialism as a system of government whereby the government controls and plans the economy and is itself controlled by the proletariat, where everyone is equal,

DEFINES Communism as a more authoritarian form of Socialism, and thus considers it a type of Socialism,

DEFINES Capitalism as an economy-focused system of government whereby the government has no or little control of the economy, which is comprised of private industry, the more powerful parts of which have substantial control over the government,

IS AWARE that the unnecessary rivalry, mostly provoked by capitalist nations, between these two forms of government has been greatly detrimental to international affairs and world peace since the Socialist system was first implemented and should be stopped, thus:

1.Urges all nations that are hostile towards other nations because of differences in form of government cease or at least reduce hostilities, so as to avoid detrimental effects such as cold wars,
2.Notes, however, that the rivalry between socialist and capitalist nations can never be entirely eliminated, and thus hopes to reduce it,
3.Recommends that regions which bar nations with one or the other above-mentioned form of government because of said forms of government cease doing so,
4.Recommends that national governments attempt to decrease the influence of large private corporations, in the interests of equality and a better world.

^ this thread is just for coming up with the ideas, not actually posting the drafts. Make a new thread for it

Thanks for the info. I'll do that.

Honeydewistania wrote:

Unibot III wrote:Given current events, a Declaration on the use of espionage might be relevant and necessary.

Necessary... how?

There is always controversary whenever espionage is used as a practice in NS, I suppose the purpose of the SC Resolution would be to outline the limits on espionage in terms of international law and convention. What's permissible (notwithstanding bilateral treaties) and what's not permissible...

To me, the use of espionage is fair game for the most part, and I would think the SC should emphasize its fair use. I would want to see limits in terms of the goal (are you trying to gain access to a forum to destroy the forum?)? Are you emotionally manipulating someone? Are you misgendering yourself? A known tactic for years was for male spies to pretend to be women.

Unibot III wrote:

Honeydewistania wrote:Necessary... how?

There is always controversary whenever espionage is used as a practice in NS, I suppose the purpose of the SC Resolution would be to outline the limits on espionage in terms of international law and convention. What's permissible (notwithstanding bilateral treaties) and what's not permissible...

To me, the use of espionage is fair game for the most part, and I would think the SC should emphasize its fair use. I would want to see limits in terms of the goal (are you trying to gain access to a forum to destroy the forum?)? Are you emotionally manipulating someone? Are you misgendering yourself? A known tactic for years was for male spies to pretend to be women.

So a feel good resolution, as declarations are non-binding?

Wayneactia wrote:

Unibot III wrote:
There is always controversary whenever espionage is used as a practice in NS, I suppose the purpose of the SC Resolution would be to outline the limits on espionage in terms of international law and convention. What's permissible (notwithstanding bilateral treaties) and what's not permissible...

To me, the use of espionage is fair game for the most part, and I would think the SC should emphasize its fair use. I would want to see limits in terms of the goal (are you trying to gain access to a forum to destroy the forum?)? Are you emotionally manipulating someone? Are you misgendering yourself? A known tactic for years was for male spies to pretend to be women.

So a feel good resolution, as declarations are non-binding?

Most international law, even of the most serious nature, is non-binding. It's enforced socially with the law providing structure.

Unibot III wrote:

Wayneactia wrote:So a feel good resolution, as declarations are non-binding?

Most international law, even of the most serious nature, is non-binding. It's enforced socially with the law providing structure.

Which this will not be. Why would regions limit themselves?

Unibot III wrote:Given current events, a Declaration on the use of espionage might be relevant and necessary.

...I'm literally doing this

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=507083&p=38791288&hilit=Infiltration#p38791288

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Unibot III wrote:Given current events, a Declaration on the use of espionage might be relevant and necessary.

...I'm literally doing this

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=507083&p=38791288&hilit=Infiltration#p38791288

Oh cool! I'm sorry I missed this!

The Python wrote:Northern Sunrise Islands ?

Pretty sure that's an old nation belonging to one of the NS Sports regulars.

USS Monitor wrote:

The Python wrote:Northern Sunrise Islands ?

Pretty sure that's an old nation belonging to one of the NS Sports regulars.

Yes, Northern Sunrise Islands is Kita-Hinode.

Oh hey, you might remove Caracasus from the list of nominees, when I contacted them a while ago (before they CTEd) they said they weren’t interested in being commended at the moment and that they were too busy with things outside of NS. Maybe that’s changed in the last 8 or 9 months but considering they CTEd, I would think not.