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Fauxia wrote:SC writing largely hasn’t evolved in five years. I don’t think SC writing is going to change significantly without a bunch of huge rule changes.


There is currently a plan to rewrite the rules soon.

I am aware. But from all the drafts I don’t actually think it will be changing most convention.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:07 pm

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Unibot III wrote:I think a new commendation of Kandarin would have to be careful not to tread into mythology. The truth is Kandarin had a sterling reputation in NSGP but TRR never really developed into a constitutional state of any real sort under his leadership. It was always a bit feudal and undercooked. Today's TRR is almost entirely a product of the 2010-2011 constitutional reforms, especially Sedge and Crazygirl's initiative.


To what extent is it acceptable to apply the standards.of our time to long past historical C&Cs? Most repeals of commendations are due to either committing egregious acts so they are no are no longer deserving, or were basically Insta-repeals where we corrected a mistake (True North or Canterlot).

This might not be a problem with Commend Kandarin as he was worthy regardless of his limitations, but there might be others who are there because the community considers them worthy in 2011 but meh now.

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Postby Chan Island » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:48 am

Somebody needs to commend or condemn the guy who's rich people got so rich it broke the game. Not sure how it would work out, but it has to happen.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:53 am

Chan Island wrote:Somebody needs to commend or condemn the guy who's rich people got so rich it broke the game. Not sure how it would work out, but it has to happen.

That's an idea - The Dark System is controlled by Kyldellian Halon, who has over 20 nations with amazing stats. Although a problem is that people are opposed to pure stat based c/cs, so there'd have to be some other stuff to back it up to get it to pass
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:27 am

Hey there!

So I've updated the OP - it was badly in need of an update. Since it was created more than four years ago, I've noted which nominees in the OP have CTE'd or gone inactive. Time has been cruel to some proposed nominees.

(Vincent Drake's commendation and the defeat of "Commend Northrop Grumman" has also been noted.)

I think it could be helpful to consider future ideas for the SC. The reality is the game has changed, and while some on this list remain good candidates for a C&C (Roavin, Atlantian Oceania), the opportunity has sorta passed for a lot of the folks listed in the OP. It's startling for an old geezer like me to look at the list of active regions and not recognize many of them (they're all card farms right?).

Also, it feels like the queue is getting a bit stale again (although it's not as bad as things were in 2017). If I were rewriting the OP today, I would propose some new ideas for SC Resolutions:

  • Commend Wymondham and Aynia Moreaux. I just thought the NS Christmas Charity Fundraiser 2020 was so wildly successful, its organizers deserved attention and recognition from the WA Security Council. Aynia Moreaux was also involved as a main organizer for the very successful relaunch of the NationStates Great Exposition.
  • Commend Treadwellia and New Rogernomics . When I created this OP back in 2017, Lazarus was a mess - rife with civil divisions. Treadwellia and New Rogernomics have been mainstays of the Lazarene Community for years and have oversee its return to a peaceful region free of internal sectarianism. Credit is due, I think.
  • Symbolic condemnation of "Quorum Raiding" (or a condemnation of a relevant actor, like World Assembly Legislative League). It's the hot topic of the year - shouldn't the WA Security Council take a stand on the issue of Quorum Raiding given it directly impacts the WA? I would think the WA Security Council would oppose invading innocent regions to manipulate the WA Security Council's quorum process and limit the free use of the assembly. An author could condemn a symbolic region, lay out condemnable cases of quorum raiding, and effectively use the condemnation as an expression of international convention/law, warning other regions to not continue the practice.
  • Liberation of Philosophy 115 or The Vast, or other founderless "legacy" regions as a preventative measure. Philosophy 115 has recently become founderless a few days ago and is accessing how to proceed (they've passworded the region). The Vast became founderless a year ago. I think it could be helpful if an ambitious SC Author were to approach regions like Philosophy 115, The Vast, and others, and asked whether they were interested in pursuing a WA Liberation as a preventative security measure (in lieu of a password).
  • Condemn Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators. It's unclear to me why a condemnation was not pursued of CCD, like other Nazi/Fascist regions, if other major regions believe CCD needs to be censured. CCD clearly would not desire a condemnation, so it's not like it would be a "badge of honour."
  • Commend successful mid-sized UCRs. Wintreath, Spiritus, Caer Sidi, Conch Kingdom, The Free Nations Region... I think there's a lot of successful UCRs that aren't as old as Europeia, per se, but they've not spring chickens either, and it's worth starting a conversation around whether the WA Security Council needs to reevaluate the timeline of "how old is commendable." 10000 Islands was about six years old when it was first commended, Wintreath is eight years old. The WASC is going to have to continually assess what are "established UCRs" as the game matures. I also think as card farm regions are popularized, mid-sized major UCRs may benefit from recognition to draw attention to their presence and more substantive contribution to the game.
Feel free to steal the ideas, and run with them all you like.

Finally, I'm wondering if there's an active SC Author who is interested in taking over the OP of this thread? We could propose switching ownership of this discussion thread with the moderators. I want the thread to reflect the perspective of today's players, not some ancient pariah who hasn't been involved in the game for five+ years, and if folks have ideas about how to rebrand the thread, and make it more communal, I'd invite their imagination and energy. Skies the limit. The SC doesn't have a lot of "community" threads or discussion places, I think it's been something that has been lacking since Rule IV and the demise of the Three Walled Bar (a joke that no longer works :p ).
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Postby Sorianora » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:03 am

This may sound stupid, but what about commending Australia but the whole proposal is written upside-down. Probably for an April’s fools joke....

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:08 am

Unibot III wrote:Hey there!

So I've updated the OP - it was badly in need of an update. Since it was created more than four years ago, I've noted which nominees in the OP have CTE'd or gone inactive. Time has been cruel to some proposed nominees.

(Vincent Drake's commendation and the defeat of "Commend Northrop Grumman" has also been noted.)

I think it could be helpful to consider future ideas for the SC. The reality is the game has changed, and while some on this list remain good candidates for a C&C (Roavin, Atlantian Oceania), the opportunity has sorta passed for a lot of the folks listed in the OP. It's startling for an old geezer like me to look at the list of active regions and not recognize many of them (they're all card farms right?).

Also, it feels like the queue is getting a bit stale again (although it's not as bad as things were in 2017). If I were rewriting the OP today, I would propose some new ideas for SC Resolutions:

[*] Condemn Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators. It's unclear to me why a condemnation was not pursued of CCD, like other Nazi/Fascist regions, if other major regions believe CCD needs to be censured. CCD clearly would not desire a condemnation, so it's not like it would be a "badge of honour."


Finally, I'm wondering if there's an active SC Author who is interested in taking over the OP of this thread? We could propose switching ownership of this discussion thread with the moderators. I want the thread to reflect the perspective of today's players, not some ancient pariah who hasn't been involved in the game for five+ years, and if folks have ideas about how to rebrand the thread, and make it more communal, I'd invite their imagination and energy. Skies the limit. The SC doesn't have a lot of "community" threads or discussion places, I think it's been something that has been lacking since Rule IV and the demise of the Three Walled Bar (a joke that no longer works :p ).

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Postby Unibot III » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:17 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:It was, but all of them were bad.


Sorry, you’re referring to Condemn CCD? I didn’t look too hard admittedly, I just noticed it looked like there was no proposal put to the floor at-vote. I don’t know a damn thing about CCD, I’ve just noted that a lot of regions are condemning CCD, but no condemnation has materialized.

Anyways, these are some proposal ideas for folks to use or extrapolate if they like.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:04 pm

Some more ideas I came up with independently of Unibot:
  • Conch Kingdom's delegate, Ellenburg/Free Azell, actually created the URA! and threw out a lot of telegram invites for it, for that matter
  • Commend Liberal Paradise? At one point in 2003ish it had Stephistan (the disgraced mod), Wolfish and Athine - all of them Historical Resolution authors... it's also still technically in the unfoundered state it was in eighteen years ago, but admittedly New Rhon's just been sitting there for most of that time and Steph's Child Protection Act was plagiarised from the UN CRC anyway :P
  • Liberate Smallballia (if Multiple Bounty and ElJefe want it)?
  • Commend RiderSyl/Yokiria for the whole Predator thing - but hurry, only four days left =p
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Postby Pluvie » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:14 pm

Tinhampton wrote:but hurry, only four days left =p

Okay actually this does ask an interesting question. What happens if a proposal is at vote when the nation it’s commending/condemning, ctes? Or on that same line of thought, what happens if a region being liberated is killed during a liberation proposal? And even further I would wonder, what happens if a region is commended or condemned and then refounded later? Does it keep the badge? I am so full of questions...
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Postby Sorianora » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:16 pm

Would the order of the grey wardens be commendedable?
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Postby Jedinsto » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:46 pm

Sorianora wrote:Would the order of the grey wardens be commendedable?

With well construed arguments, possibly.
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Postby Sorianora » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:17 pm

Jedinsto wrote:
Sorianora wrote:Would the order of the grey wardens be commendedable?

With well construed arguments, possibly.

If only I was good at those...

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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:28 pm

Pluvie wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:but hurry, only four days left =p

Okay actually this does ask an interesting question. What happens if a proposal is at vote when the nation it’s commending/condemning, ctes? Or on that same line of thought, what happens if a region being liberated is killed during a liberation proposal? And even further I would wonder, what happens if a region is commended or condemned and then refounded later? Does it keep the badge? I am so full of questions...

I would think the badge is still there especially if the nation is refounded.
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Postby Comfed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:34 pm

The tradition of condemning fascist regions had long passed as condemnations are seen as recognition of legitimacy which we don’t want. So I’d take CCD off the list.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:37 pm

Commend Capitalist Paradise for their issues writing and to annoy people

(Also Unibot, Sierra Lyricalia got commended, so you can strike them off the list! (And Roavin is getting one pretty soon)
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:40 pm

Sorianora wrote:Would the order of the grey wardens be commendedable?


Yeah, I would think so.

I mean FRA and UDL weren’t commended back in the day, but 10KI was - perhaps TGW could be? If we can give backhanded commendations (condemnations) to invader groups, why not actual commendations for popular defender groups.

RE: Syl’s commendation. I like it! Go for it!

The tradition of condemning fascist regions had long passed as condemnations are seen as recognition of legitimacy which we don’t want. So I’d take CCD off the list.


Like I know I’m old and out of touch, but this sounds like some tortured ass fad. We won’t condemn them because that’s recognizing them. Under that logic nothing condemnable would be condemnable. And it’s not like major regions are ignoring CCD, they’re actively running operations against CCD.

I think there’s an argument to be made that the *proper* vehicle for the international community to express its condemnation of CCD is to condemn CCD.

Honeydewistania, you’re right on all three counts. Good point. :)
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Postby Comfed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:44 pm

Unibot, there’s a huge difference between raiding, couping, and other IC condemnable actions and OOC bad things like fascism.
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Postby Toerana » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:50 pm

Unibot III wrote:Like I know I’m old and out of touch, but this sounds like some tortured ass fad. We won’t condemn them because that’s recognizing them. Under that logic nothing condemnable would be condemnable. And it’s not like major regions are ignoring CCD, they’re actively running operations against CCD.

I think there’s an argument to be made that the *proper* vehicle for the international community to express its condemnation of CCD is to condemn CCD.

I firmly disagree with this belief, especially because condemnations are often given out as the "raider equivalent" of commendations. They're seen as a badge of honour, recognition of great achievement (like "negative" stats), or as a way to recognize roleplay communities specific form of roleplay.

In Comparison, CCD is controversial and largely condemned because of allegations of them harbouring OOC fascists. Glorifying and recognizing a region for being a center of a game-wide shunned ideology isn't the best idea. Better to ignore them and leave them alone than give them further attention and by extension likely give the issues and ideologies that NS' playerbase near unanimously despises for OOC reasons further recognition and legitimacy.
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What Toerana said.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:56 pm

As much as I think a condemnation on CCD would be entertaining (and probably deserved if they weren't fash), people simply don't want to give them attention. A condemnation would do exactly that. A condemnation would give them the notoriety and perhaps serve as a recruitment or propaganda tool. It would never pass.
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Postby Pluvie » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 pm

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Pluvie wrote:Okay actually this does ask an interesting question. What happens if a proposal is at vote when the nation it’s commending/condemning, ctes? Or on that same line of thought, what happens if a region being liberated is killed during a liberation proposal? And even further I would wonder, what happens if a region is commended or condemned and then refounded later? Does it keep the badge? I am so full of questions...

I would think the badge is still there especially if the nation is refounded.

If thats in response to the first question, I’m not sure. Because there can’t be a c&c for a nation that doesn’t currently exist right? Not at vote or in quorum anyway. So if the proposal made it all the way to vote and then during the vote, the nation cted, would it not just cancel the proposal immediately? Because at that point it would be cte and therefore impossible to c&c right?
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:18 pm

Condemn Odhinnia did not get removed from the voting floor simply because Odhinnia got DEATed during the voting phase. Not a staff member but I'd imagine the same principle's in effect today :P
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Postby Pluvie » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:29 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Condemn Odhinnia did not get removed from the voting floor simply because Odhinnia got DEATed during the voting phase. Not a staff member but I'd imagine the same principle's in effect today :P

Interesting! :D I legitimately wonder how that would work in a nation sense because I assumed the c&c was dependent on the nation, but I guess in that case I would be led to believe it might be based on the id instead. Very cool, thank you all for answering my silly questions :P

Also Unibot, as a minor suggestion to the thread, maybe you could include some resources for players trying to write c&c? Like history archives, the link to the ns history thread, idk stuff like that that could be used to help do research into candidates before writing them. In addition you could also maybe provide ways to contact the candidates? Idk if that would even be possible. Anyway, I just think research is often a really hard thing to gather for new players looking to get involved so some links and such to help those players might be cool :)
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Comfed » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Pluvie wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:but hurry, only four days left =p

Okay actually this does ask an interesting question. What happens if a proposal is at vote when the nation it’s commending/condemning, ctes? Or on that same line of thought, what happens if a region being liberated is killed during a liberation proposal? And even further I would wonder, what happens if a region is commended or condemned and then refounded later? Does it keep the badge? I am so full of questions...

Fun fact, Mallorea and Riva refounded his region, which was previously a commended RP region. It kept the badge until some indignant RPers repealed the commend after Liberate Haven.
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