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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Sun May 13, 2018 2:14 pm

I think Red Dusk could be worthy of some consideration. He's been around a few years now and has played large roles in the defender community throughout. I'm just going to list thoughts as they stream through my head, as writing seems to not be coming to me easily today:

  • Major contributing member to both Spiritus and Renegade Islands Alliance as well as their defender militaries. He even served as the "Chief Executive" of the RIA during, helping the region redefine itself after the lull that followed the retirement of Shizensky.
  • Red Dusk took over as the root-admin of Libcord, the central hub of defenders, after my own retirement from active gameplay.
  • RD has been involved with the planning and execution of dozens of high-profile liberations over the years, including leading said operations, triggering them and training new defenders. I could try to wrangle a list, but whoever may be interested in authoring this could easily look them up due to their high public profile.
  • I know he has started his own defender region called Aenaroth, but I don't really know enough about it to comment on it.

We seem to be struggling to find good defender nations to Commend over the past few years, and it only ever seems that those of us that have been around for at least half a decade get any recognition at all. Commending RD would set a good precedent of commending the heroes of the modern age and perhaps remove the near impossible barriers for defenders to pass when it comes to commendation.
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Postby Unibot III » Sun May 13, 2018 3:52 pm

Benevolent Thomas wrote:I think Red Dusk could be worthy of some consideration. He's been around a few years now and has played large roles in the defender community throughout. I'm just going to list thoughts as they stream through my head, as writing seems to not be coming to me easily today:

  • Major contributing member to both Spiritus and Renegade Islands Alliance as well as their defender militaries. He even served as the "Chief Executive" of the RIA during, helping the region redefine itself after the lull that followed the retirement of Shizensky.
  • Red Dusk took over as the root-admin of Libcord, the central hub of defenders, after my own retirement from active gameplay.
  • RD has been involved with the planning and execution of dozens of high-profile liberations over the years, including leading said operations, triggering them and training new defenders. I could try to wrangle a list, but whoever may be interested in authoring this could easily look them up due to their high public profile.
  • I know he has started his own defender region called Aenaroth, but I don't really know enough about it to comment on it.

We seem to be struggling to find good defender nations to Commend over the past few years, and it only ever seems that those of us that have been around for at least half a decade get any recognition at all. Commending RD would set a good precedent of commending the heroes of the modern age and perhaps remove the near impossible barriers for defenders to pass when it comes to commendation.


It's a bit after my time, but I think the idea sounds good to me. Contemporaneousness has always been a challenge in the WA Security Council, the peanut gallery wants to wait till nominees are old geezers to commend them - and then repeals their commendation under the grounds that the players naturally retire and leave NS around the same time. :lol2:

I'll add Red Dusk to the list. And I'll also say that I think a Roavin commendation is overdue at this point and I'll add him to the list too.

Another idea would be Wintermoot. (*Spotting him on the WASC forum.*)
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun May 13, 2018 4:06 pm

I still think Duxburian Union/Vincent Drake should be added, as he has played pivotal roles in both defending and the European Union. I don't know much about his time in EU, but he's been there for around 10 years I think and was the orchestrator of the refound of the region. He's currently the founder of both European Union and The European Union, the latter being refounded out from under a puppet region hoarder to provide a safe place for natives during the refound of EU. Vinny and Roavin both worked together to provide a safe place for EU natives and now both regions are doing great thanks to them.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Sun May 13, 2018 4:27 pm

Deadeye Jack may be worth the nod as well.

  • Like Vinny and myself, Deadeye Jack originally hails from European Union. He's played a key role in monitoring regional threats while the region was still founderless. I believe he's also served in the region's courts and probably a government position or two. He was right there when time came to refound the region.
  • Won a few defender awards over the years including newcomer of the year in 2015.
  • Was a co-founder of Fort Triumph and their Marshal Service which won the Anarchtopia award in 2015.
  • Help liberate and refound Hogwarts where he stayed and controlled the founder account while also being the main driving force of that community.
  • Co-founded The Order of the Grey Wardens and has served as a Commander ever since. Maintains the founder account and has served as its High-Constable for most of its time. Jack's renown for being the non-jackass in the early days of the organization.
  • Has been a leading force in defending since 2014, leading numerous update operations was well as overseeing long-term assistance efforts in founderless regions. His role in high-profile operations in this time span is often overlooked by the greater GP community, but his record speaks for itself.

Deadeye Jack has been quietly and consistently leading the defender sphere since 2014, while also being the driving force of multiple regions. He may not be a celebrity, but he's put more work in than most gameplayers have since his arrival, setting a terrific example for any aspiring nation.
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Postby Unibot III » Sun May 13, 2018 4:31 pm

I hadn't realized Duxburian Union/Vincent Drake were the same person, very cool. Yes I've added both Deadeye Jack and Vincent Drake to the list.
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Postby Roavin » Sun May 13, 2018 7:26 pm

I really don't have the tenure to be considered, imho. Probably not the merit either.

Jack, on the other hand, is absolutely a worthy candidate for all the reasons BT listed and many more. I could probably expound on recent history if somebody is willing to take a crack at it (or I may at a later point do so myself).
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed May 16, 2018 9:56 am

What about a Commendation for The Black Hawks.. or just Red Back.

Despite their dichotomy, the org has done quite a bit for the metagame, with its alumni popularising concepts such as 'tag raiding' that are considered mainstream nowadays.

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Postby Terra Voltera » Wed May 16, 2018 11:10 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:What about a Commendation for The Black Hawks.. or just Red Back.

Despite their dichotomy, the org has done quite a bit for the metagame, with its alumni popularising concepts such as 'tag raiding' that are considered mainstream nowadays.

(I have no time to write one, please use the magic unibot quill)

Never in a million years. Raiders do not get commended for raiding, they get condemned. And TBH already has two condemnations.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed May 16, 2018 12:20 pm

Terra Voltera wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:What about a Commendation for The Black Hawks.. or just Red Back.

Despite their dichotomy, the org has done quite a bit for the metagame, with its alumni popularising concepts such as 'tag raiding' that are considered mainstream nowadays.

(I have no time to write one, please use the magic unibot quill)

Never in a million years. Raiders do not get commended for raiding, they get condemned. And TBH already has two condemnations.

That's just an artificial precedent my friend.

No need to join the flock. There's no reason they shouldn't deserve commendations.
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Postby Malphe » Wed May 16, 2018 1:31 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Terra Voltera wrote:Never in a million years. Raiders do not get commended for raiding, they get condemned. And TBH already has two condemnations.

That's just an artificial precedent my friend.

No need to join the flock. There's no reason they shouldn't deserve commendations.

Raiders can get commended, but generally not for their raiding. For other stuff they've done deemed commendable in spite of raiding.
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Postby Dinoium » Wed May 16, 2018 4:11 pm

Malphe wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:That's just an artificial precedent my friend.

No need to join the flock. There's no reason they shouldn't deserve commendations.

Raiders can get commended, but generally not for their raiding. For other stuff they've done deemed commendable in spite of raiding.

Heck, some nations raid fascist regions such as TNP's NPA, TSP's SPAF, and even Lily (they raid everybody tho :p ).. But the point is, the NS admins wanted region raiding since we cannot do actually wars..
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed May 16, 2018 4:28 pm

Dinoium wrote:But the point is, the NS admins wanted decided not to ban region raiding since we cannot do actually wars.. sneaky players figured out how to do it.

Fixed that for you.

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Postby Dinoium » Wed May 16, 2018 4:32 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Dinoium wrote:But the point is, the NS admins wanted decided not to ban region raiding since we cannot do actually wars.. sneaky players figured out how to do it.

Fixed that for you.

Lol thanks :p
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Postby Jakker » Wed May 16, 2018 7:09 pm

It is totally possible for raiding to be commendable. I've experienced several raids in which raids have led to positive outcomes. The raid of Capitalist Paradise motivated the region to create an off-site forum. The raid(s) of Hell led The Stalker to create the trials (which led to the region becoming commended). After a raid, several founderless regions worked together to refound their region. Raids have also inspired players (like Vincent Drake, Red Back, Tramiar, myself) to become more involved in GP. Some of the best GPers got further involved in the game because they were natives of a raid.

Yes, I get that you can argue that if raiding didn't exist, these actions wouldn't have to happen, but I disagree and think they are still positive. Raids bring the best communities together to be better. It creates an opportunity to reflect after the fact and consider what steps we can take to be a stronger region? I built many strong connections with the people that I raided. I recognize that raiding involves a transfer of power and some destruction, but when handled a certain way, it can bring beautiful things. Like anything else in this game, when raiding is in its most extreme form, it does not yield anything positive. However, that does not and should not mean that raiding should not be regarded as commendable when it absolutely can be.
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Postby Drasnia » Wed May 16, 2018 8:49 pm

Jakker wrote:It is totally possible for raiding to be commendable. I've experienced several raids in which raids have led to positive outcomes. The raid of Capitalist Paradise motivated the region to create an off-site forum.

To clarify, the CP raid (or at least the 2012 raid) didn't lead to the creation of off-site forums. Forums in the region existed in some form or another since the refounding by The-CID or possibly earlier. However, they are almost never used. CP just isn't a forum region. If memory serves, we did switch forums to much snazzier, XenForo ones.

What the 2012 raid did, however, was lead to the writing of a newer, better Constitution, more citizen involvement, and activity that lasted for several years. IMO, it was a net positive, but others in the region who were around at that time might disagree.
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Postby Jakker » Wed May 16, 2018 9:11 pm

Drasnia wrote:What the 2012 raid did, however, was lead to the writing of a newer, better Constitution, more citizen involvement, and activity that lasted for several years. IMO, it was a net positive, but others in the region who were around at that time might disagree.


Right, I'm not here to argue that raiding is objectively positive, but rather it can lead to positive outcomes. I am countering this notion that raiding is objectively negative and uncommendable.
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Postby Drasnia » Wed May 16, 2018 9:20 pm

Jakker wrote:
Drasnia wrote:What the 2012 raid did, however, was lead to the writing of a newer, better Constitution, more citizen involvement, and activity that lasted for several years. IMO, it was a net positive, but others in the region who were around at that time might disagree.


Right, I'm not here to argue that raiding is objectively positive, but rather it can lead to positive outcomes. I am countering this notion that raiding is objectively negative and uncommendable.

I know, not trying to start a fight here or anything :)
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Postby Triangle And Square » Thu May 17, 2018 6:17 am

wait how is great bights mum a legendary nominee
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu May 17, 2018 12:23 pm

Triangle And Square wrote:wait how is great bights mum a legendary nominee

Just because you weren't around while the history happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Thu May 17, 2018 2:28 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Triangle And Square wrote:wait how is great bights mum a legendary nominee

Just because you weren't around while the history happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Big Brother says otherwise :p
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Postby Kurnugia » Thu May 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Dinoium wrote:

Heck, some nations raid fascist regions such as TNP's NPA, TSP's SPAF, and even Lily (they raid everybody tho :p ).. But the point is, the NS admins wanted region raiding since we cannot do actually wars..

I cannot judge NPA but both groups arent raiders. They are indies
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Postby Malphe » Fri May 18, 2018 4:14 am

Kurnugia wrote:
Dinoium wrote:Heck, some nations raid fascist regions such as TNP's NPA, TSP's SPAF, and even Lily (they raid everybody tho :p ).. But the point is, the NS admins wanted region raiding since we cannot do actually wars..

I cannot judge NPA but both groups arent raiders. They are indies

The NPA isn't even raider leaning, NPA policy dictates that the organisation has to return a raided region to its original state before leaving (with the exception of fascist regions and explicit enemy regions), effectively ruling out tagging as well as most destructive raids.

Now, where are the accusations that that must mean that the NPA is fenda? It's been a while.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Mon May 21, 2018 9:27 pm

Malphe wrote:Now, where are the accusations that that must mean that the NPA is fenda? It's been a while.

I think its been since minor update September 10th, 2016.

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Postby Sanjurika » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:22 pm

Hasn't The Skeleton Army been commended as well even though they raided? I think they are a great example of the positive effects of raiding.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:42 am

Sanjurika wrote:Hasn't The Skeleton Army been commended as well even though they raided? I think they are a great example of the positive effects of raiding.

TSA raided regions with the consent of its natives and without using WA nations. When they invaded Lazarus it was basically a party on the RMB for a week.
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