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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:06 am

LollerLand wrote:
Sygian II wrote:This is a great point.

Until the said organization is actually condemned this is not really a great point. Anybody can bring up a proposal for condemnation and get few approvals from small delegates with a telegram campaign but all of it doesn't mean anything until the said proposal is passed and it really has no chance of passing.

I wouldn't say 71 is a few.

Also, a TNP nation named The Northern Light (Or something like that) essentially controls the WA, as that nations creates propaganda dispatches. When some other nation tried to condemn CAIN, that proposal had some really good points disproving CAINs, but TNL just spurted out the same points that were being constantly proven false just to get something to fail in TNLs favour.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:15 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:The Northern Light ... essentially controls the WA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl:

You mean to tell me that the TNP information puppet 'controls' the WA? What? Did every other region suddenly cease to exist? Oh crap, it turns out that every nation in NS is actually a puppet of The Northern Light! In fact, maybe other information centres don't exist, like Europeia's Broadcasting Corporation or Europe's InfoEurope!

If you think that sending campaigns and counter-campaigns is indicative of control of the WA, I really don't think you know how the WA works. Literally anyone can send counter-campaigns. What you're complaining about isn't 'propaganda'. You're complaining about the fact that people can hear voices other than yours.

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Postby Kitzerland » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:19 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:The Northern Light ... essentially controls the WA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl:

You mean to tell me that the TNP information puppet 'controls' the WA? What? Did every other region suddenly cease to exist? Oh crap, it turns out that every nation in NS is actually a puppet of The Northern Light! In fact, maybe other information centres don't exist, like Europeia's Broadcasting Corporation or Europe's InfoEurope!

If you think that sending campaigns and counter-campaigns is indicative of control of the WA, I really don't think you know how the WA works. Literally anyone can send counter-campaigns. What you're complaining about isn't 'propaganda'. You're complaining about the fact that people can hear voices other than yours.

What would you know? You're obviously a puppet of The northern light!
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:26 am

Also, 71 delegates of what, 1600 delegates? 6 per cent is quite a few. In the UK, there are millions of voters. But a few hundred signatures of your petition is still going to be few, simply because proportions exist.

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Postby Darcania » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:02 am

Kitzerland wrote:What would you know? You're obviously a puppet of The northern light!

It's actually The Northern Light now, we changed it :)

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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:12 am

According to past rulings, doesn't the author have to explain [in the text] what "the Ideology of Nazism" to which they refer means in the context of Nationstates?
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Postby Kitzerland » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:18 am

Darcania wrote:
Kitzerland wrote:What would you know? You're obviously a puppet of The northern light!

It's actually The Northern Light now, we changed it :)

Oh, that's good. WAIT! That must be why Max allowed recapitalization! He's secretly TNL!
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:27 pm

LollerLand wrote:
Sygian II wrote:This is a great point.

Until the said organization is actually condemned this is not really a great point. Anybody can bring up a proposal for condemnation and get few approvals from small delegates with a telegram campaign but all of it doesn't mean anything until the said proposal is passed and it really has no chance of passing.

It can't pass because the members of CAIN themselves have the numbers to prevent it from passing. That doesn't mean it's not a good proposal.

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Postby Sygian II » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:29 pm

Noting Brunhilde’s contribution to suppressing Nazism by creating CAIN, The Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism, a coalition involving 25 signatory regions, and appreciating the work that Brunhilde has put forth to maintain CAIN operations;

Correct me if I'm wrong but.. R4(d) violation?
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Postby Drasnia » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:46 pm

I'd hardly consider a person whose only achievement has been to organize a large but controversial organization worthy of a commendation. Against both in execution and in concept.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:31 pm

This proposal says quite a bit, but tells me practically nothing.
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Postby Aexnidaral » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:15 pm

Yay, Brun! :hug:
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Postby Svarttjern » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:45 am

Needless to say against this very blatant example of self congratulations.

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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:06 am

Rule 2 requires that you provide a unique and relevant argument to support your proposal. Your proposal provides plenty of reasons to commend "Brunhilde", yet none to commend the actual nominee "Brunhizzle". You need to clearly state in the text that Brunhizzle is Brunhilde if that is the name you wish to use to refer to them in your argument. The proposal has been removed from the queue.

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Postby Kowassati » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:03 am

Sigh. Anything else!?

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Postby Supreme Meme » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:06 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I do not support this. I believe Brunhilde and the Organisation should be instead condemned for libel performed towards many regions, driving off nations. CAIN is just a tool used by large regions to justify raids and to increase recruitment. Someone explain why CAIN keeps trying to raid Feminist regions.

I agree with you. A lot of innocent regions are labeled as Nazi regions for no reason.
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Postby Sygian II » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:06 am

Kowassati wrote:Sigh. Anything else!?

It may not be the best idea after all. I would definitely vote for in the future if she actually did something commendable, specifically regarding CAIN, but so far it's not much.

Also thanks Sedge for pointing that out, I never would have seen that tbh. :P
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Sygian II
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Postby Sygian II » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:13 am

I mean think about it. R3n is just now getting commended for a shipload of things, and yes, they are all commendable. Commending Brunhilde would put them on the same status, the same level, in the WA/SC, and in my opinion r3n and anyone else that has been commended wouldn't have much value to their commendation if this passed, because we'd be comparing them to the leader of a controversial organization that has hardly accomplished anything besides conquering the front page of gameplay.

Now of course, this would actually pass, thanks to the super-delegates. Instead of listening to the critiques and opinions of others regarding the controversy and irrelevance of this proposal, you insist on depending on the GCR delegates to pass it for you. Badge hunting isn't cool. :P
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Postby Brunhizzle » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:37 pm

Kowassati wrote:Sigh. Anything else!?

I appreciate the effort you've put into this and I'm touched that you would try to put this out there.

That said, I still have work that I want to do before I'll believe that I deserve a commendation. If it were to pass as it is now, it'd be doing so not because of my efforts but because of my relationships. I don't want to be commended for being friendly. I would like for you to hold off until I've put in the work necessary to deserve such an honor.
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Postby Canton Empire » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:37 am

Brunhizzle wrote:
Kowassati wrote:Sigh. Anything else!?

I appreciate the effort you've put into this and I'm touched that you would try to put this out there.

That said, I still have work that I want to do before I'll believe that I deserve a commendation. If it were to pass as it is now, it'd be doing so not because of my efforts but because of my relationships. I don't want to be commended for being friendly. I would like for you to hold off until I've put in the work necessary to deserve such an honor.

A commendable action in of its self.
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