[SUBMITTED] Liberate Coastalia

[Norstham]

The Security Council,

Noting that the region of Coastalia was recently invaded by HYDRA Command,

Horrified at the mass purge of nations by the raiders, who have banned nearly the entire native community in an attempt to void the region of all inhabitants,

Remembering that this invader organisation has a history of destroying regions and refounding them to keep as trophies, such as The Place that has No Big Banks,

Recognizing the urgency with which the Security Council must act to avoid the complete annihilation of the region,

Hereby Liberates Coastalia.

Co-authored with [nation=short]Somyrion[/nation] and [nation=short]Yodle[/nation]

Critique is appreciated, thank you!

[Somyrion]

And yes, it's me (Somyrion / Mount Seymour) and Rufford / Norstham again, for the confused. We really have to get our act together on which of our nations is submitting and credited

Already submitted though, and campaign will be coming shortly.

[Kaboomlandia]

The usual question: does this have native support?

[Tinhampton]

The other usual question: Shouldn't this have been left to gather comments before submission? Regardless, against.

[Somyrion]

The other usual question: Shouldn't this have been left to gather comments before submission? Regardless, against.

Yes, except that this is one case where time is extremely of the essence-- with waiting for comments to gather up and the time waiting in approval, queue, and voting, it would already likely be too late.

Is your stance due simply to these concerns or is there some other reason why you do not wish to help a raided region?

[Kaboomlandia]

Usually when I draft Liberation/Repeal Liberations I give it about 24-48 hours of drafting to at least let people have a look before submitting. I dislike it when people go straight to submission because that doesn't give the SC browsers time to catch possible illegalities. We want to help you draft a legal proposal, honest.

[Somyrion]

Usually when I draft Liberation/Repeal Liberations I give it about 24-48 hours of drafting to at least let people have a look before submitting. I dislike it when people go straight to submission because that doesn't give the SC browsers time to catch possible illegalities. We want to help you draft a legal proposal, honest.

Yeah, I understand, I think next time we'll probably at least give it a short amount of time for edits (and you're proving me wrong now when I say the SC forum moves really slowly )

[Kaboomlandia]

Usually when I draft Liberation/Repeal Liberations I give it about 24-48 hours of drafting to at least let people have a look before submitting. I dislike it when people go straight to submission because that doesn't give the SC browsers time to catch possible illegalities. We want to help you draft a legal proposal, honest.

Yeah, I understand, I think next time we'll probably at least give it a short amount of time for edits (and you're proving me wrong now when I say the SC forum moves really slowly )

Most of the time it's pretty slow. And then some major GP controversy goes down and three or four things get drafted up at once.

[Tinhampton]

Is your stance due simply to these concerns or is there some other reason why you do not wish to help a raided region?

Liberations do not guarantee that your region will be kept safe from invaders - if not quickly, then at all. From the past 18 months, I could point to Eternal Scholars 2, The Place That Has No Big Banks, Alliance Against Nazis, Congress of Armed Proletarian States (and not to forget the colonisation of Dank Memes)...

[Libertarain Republicans]

Is your stance due simply to these concerns or is there some other reason why you do not wish to help a raided region?

Liberations do not guarantee that your region will be kept safe from invaders - if not quickly, then at all. From the past 18 months, I could point to Eternal Scholars 2, The Place That Has No Big Banks, Alliance Against Nazis, Congress of Armed Proletarian States (and not to forget the colonisation of Dank Memes)...

Why don't liberations work all the time?
Also, how do you refound a region after destroying it?

[Tinhampton]

Liberations do not guarantee that your region will be kept safe from invaders - if not quickly, then at all. From the past 18 months, I could point to Eternal Scholars 2, The Place That Has No Big Banks, Alliance Against Nazis, Congress of Armed Proletarian States (and not to forget the colonisation of Dank Memes)...

Why don't liberations work all the time?
Also, what does it mean (and how do you do it) to destroy and refound a region?

Read the repeals for the Liberations of TPTHNBB, AAN and CAPS (and what happened during the second attempt to Repeal "Liberate Eternal Scholars") and you'll see what I mean. If you're talking about destruction and refounding, what they usually do is go into a region, banject all natives and any incoming defenders, and then leave themselves before setting up a region with the same name and declaring it property of whichever region invaded it in the first place (see also: Dank Memes).

[Kaboomlandia]

Liberations do not guarantee that your region will be kept safe from invaders - if not quickly, then at all. From the past 18 months, I could point to Eternal Scholars 2, The Place That Has No Big Banks, Alliance Against Nazis, Congress of Armed Proletarian States (and not to forget the colonisation of Dank Memes)...

Why don't liberations work all the time?
Also, what does it mean (and how do you do it) to destroy and refound a region?

Liberations take out a Delegate-imposed password, but they don't actually take out the raiders inside, so they need to be backed up by military action which doesn't always work.

Refounding is when people empty out a region to get it to temporarily disappear, then immediately create it again using a puppet nation under their control.

[Somyrion]

Right, in this case what the liberation would do is mostly give defenders more time to back up the region before the raiders can refound.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The Founder was DEAT'ed by the Mods, many of the "natives" have CTE'd and it was not a particularly active region before Hydra Command went in there.

As none of the authors are natives and are unlikely to be able to produce evidence of native support I am inclined to say let Hydra Command do what they like with the region. No support.

[SYG]

1. Thanks for submitting this proposal not even a day after you posted it here. Not cool man. I've been busy and I would've liked to properly look over it.
2. Not even an active region, and hardly any native support, if any at all? Not cool.
3. Using the Security Council to pass a liberation of an inactive region just because it was raided and defenders can't get enough numbers to liberate it isn't cool.
4. Just not a very well written proposal in general.

I'll be advising the Pharaoh and Osiris to vote strongly against this.

[Norstham]

Ok, we've come to a decision that we're gonna let this one slide after considering a number of things (including responses here). I don't think the arguments here are unfounded, many our right, it was hastily written, I should have put it on the forums first and we didn't make any native contact (not that there are that many) prior to submission. So yeah, we're gonna have to let this one go.

[Tinhampton]

Ok, we've come to a decision that we're gonna let this one slide after considering a number of things (including responses here). I don't think the arguments here are unfounded, many our right, it was hastily written, I should have put it on the forums first and we didn't make any native contact (not that there are that many) prior to submission. So yeah, we're gonna have to let this one go.

File a GHR if you want to get it yanked from the queue sooner.