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Postby Drop Your Pants » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:55 am

The Rejected Realms wrote:Clearly, as I can see, there is no support for this resolution, if at all.

I shall continue pushing for this resolution to be passed, if at all possible, but I'd encourage for those who voted against to reconsider their stance.

Please just pick a puppet and stick with it, you've used 3 so far in this thread and its annoying as hell.

Also, you have to give a reason for voters to reconsider their votes beyond....well 'encouragement'.
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Postby Notolecta » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:47 am

The Atlae Isles wrote:Come on, Navasse. CAIN doesn't want this. Period.

They even kicked you off the CAIN Discord chat.

That's not what happened because he was never even in the CAIN discord Chat to begin with because he's not in any CAIN regions, and certainly isn't representative to CAIN for any of CAIN region. He does not have and never did have any connection or involvement in CAIN. He got kicked out of Europeia's Discord chat, for trying to start trouble between Europeia and TCB/the Internationale over a non CAIN related matter(note those regions have no connection to Europeia outside of CAIN, making an unfounded claim that it would be the death of CAIN, something he seems to fantasize about(not really sure why people keep trying to associate him with it given he keeps calling for it to die).

Bottom line CAIN has no connection with Navasse and never has, he's even tried(poorly I should not) to cause trouble between it's members in a attempt to destroy it.

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Postby Lands of Anarchy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:37 am

To ask directly, I need the author's reasoning for liberating a 3 person region.

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Postby Communist Jewish Republic for the People » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:33 am

I really like how this is meant to liberate the Femdom Empire when there are only three nations in that region. Not really much there to liberate.

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Postby Intelligeneria » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:42 am

Communist Jewish Republic for the People wrote:I really like how this is meant to liberate the Femdom Empire when there are only three nations in that region. Not really much there to liberate.

I believe that what they want is to liberate the region, storm it, and take control over it. Then they can keep it as a sort of trophy to rub in the faces of so-called 'Nazis'. Pretty ridiculous, when the SC is supposedly devoted to peace.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:07 am

Intelligeneria wrote:
Communist Jewish Republic for the People wrote:I really like how this is meant to liberate the Femdom Empire when there are only three nations in that region. Not really much there to liberate.

I believe that what they want is to liberate the region, storm it, and take control over it. Then they can keep it as a sort of trophy to rub in the faces of so-called 'Nazis'. Pretty ridiculous, when the SC is supposedly devoted to peace.

This has been done before. Liberations were done for The NSIA and Nazi Europe with the intentions of attacking.
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Postby LollerLand » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:22 am

Notolecta wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:Come on, Navasse. CAIN doesn't want this. Period.

They even kicked you off the CAIN Discord chat.

That's not what happened because he was never even in the CAIN discord Chat to begin with because he's not in any CAIN regions, and certainly isn't representative to CAIN for any of CAIN region. He does not have and never did have any connection or involvement in CAIN. He got kicked out of Europeia's Discord chat, for trying to start trouble between Europeia and TCB/the Internationale over a non CAIN related matter(note those regions have no connection to Europeia outside of CAIN, making an unfounded claim that it would be the death of CAIN, something he seems to fantasize about(not really sure why people keep trying to associate him with it given he keeps calling for it to die).

Bottom line CAIN has no connection with Navasse and never has, he's even tried(poorly I should not) to cause trouble between it's members in a attempt to destroy it.

You are right in saying Navasse has no connection to CAIN. He was indeed there in CAIN Discord Server but only had access to the public channels. He was recently banned from the server.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:25 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Intelligeneria wrote:I believe that what they want is to liberate the region, storm it, and take control over it. Then they can keep it as a sort of trophy to rub in the faces of so-called 'Nazis'. Pretty ridiculous, when the SC is supposedly devoted to peace.

This has been done before. Liberations were done for The NSIA and Nazi Europe with the intentions of attacking.

Yes, but Femdom Empire has only 3 nations. Ridiculous.
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Notolecta wrote:That's not what happened because he was never even in the CAIN discord Chat to begin with because he's not in any CAIN regions, and certainly isn't representative to CAIN for any of CAIN region. He does not have and never did have any connection or involvement in CAIN. He got kicked out of Europeia's Discord chat, for trying to start trouble between Europeia and TCB/the Internationale over a non CAIN related matter(note those regions have no connection to Europeia outside of CAIN, making an unfounded claim that it would be the death of CAIN, something he seems to fantasize about(not really sure why people keep trying to associate him with it given he keeps calling for it to die).

Bottom line CAIN has no connection with Navasse and never has, he's even tried(poorly I should not) to cause trouble between it's members in a attempt to destroy it.

You are right in saying Navasse has no connection to CAIN. He was indeed there in CAIN Discord Server but only had access to the public channels. He was recently banned from the server.


Sorry if my message was misunderstood.
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Postby Kitzerland » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:31 am

Oh, joy. I calme back from vacation and it's like I'm still here! Navasse makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Lesse...
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Defines the term Authoritarianism as an ideology that favors a concentration of power in a leader or an elite that tends to lead to oppression and tyranny
Actually, Authoritarianism is a system in which the individual bends there will to authority. It doesn't have to involve centralized power, you could theoretically have an authoritarian confederacy.
Kalinin K-7 wrote:and the term Fascism as an ideology that favors region over nation and stands for a centralized autocratic government that is led by a dictatorial leader, maintains strict social regimentation, and wipes out opposition;

Oh? Did hitler believe in europes dominance? No, of course not! Regions are irrelevant to fascism. I know you have to have that in there for NS reasons, but still. That, and, you left out militarization as a component of fascism.
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Mortified by Femdom Empire's collaboration with Fascist regions, or more specifically Nazi Europa, The Iron Guard, and The Iron Order, to help defend against The CAIN through suspicious methods in a recent conflict to capture Femdom Empire;

Suspicious methods? They just piled. Not that suspicious. Plus, collaborating with Nazis to defend yourself? Now where have I seen that before..?
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Further Disturbed by Femdom Empire’s collaboration with Authoritarian regions, or more specifically Federation of Greater German Republics, Great Empire of Great Cyan, KAISERREICH, Krumpelburg, Order of the Southern North, and Psychotic Dictatorships in the aforementioned conflict;

• Great Cyan is a constitutional monarchy if anything.
• Krumpelburg is a region of peace and love. crosses self
• OSN is a cross between a presidential democracy, a direct democracy, a constitutional monarchy, a duumvirate, and a bureaucratic clusterfrag. And I mean that in the best way.
• Psychotic Dictatorships is a parody. Durr-Dee-Durr.
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Observing that Femdom Empire is enforcing border control, presumably to secure the region fully by refounding it;

Oh no! A secure region! The SECURITY council better stop that!
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Seeing that one of the mentioned Fascist regions is connected to Nazi Europa, which has recently already almost destroyed The Arab League;

Oh no! They're affiliated with someone who knows somebody who used to own someone who raided somebody! The evidence keeps coming! (In other words, this is not only an association fallacy of the highest order, but BLITZKRIEG no longer works for NE. They even put "BLITZKRIEG opposes the promotion and glorification of Nazism." in TAL's WFE.)
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Generally Annoyed by Femdom Empire’s willingness to cooperate with Authoritarian and Fascist regions,
I am too, but we shouldn't raid them for it.
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Acknowledging the presence of military forces who seek to eradicate Authoritarianism and Fascism;
All of whom got their asses kicked last time.
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Aware that these forces may only act on an unique opportunity for their goals if the border controls of Femdom Empire are struck down;
This ain't unique, sweetheart. CAIN's given up. Deal with it.
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Postby Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:03 pm

Kitzerland wrote:
Kalinin K-7 wrote:Further Disturbed by Femdom Empire’s collaboration with Authoritarian regions, or more specifically Federation of Greater German Republics, Great Empire of Great Cyan, KAISERREICH, Krumpelburg, Order of the Southern North, and Psychotic Dictatorships in the aforementioned conflict;

• Krumpelburg is a region of peace and love. crosses self

Thank you, Brother Kitzerland. :hug: I find it sad how some are opposed to peace and love. Why can't we all get along?

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Postby Kitzerland » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:19 pm

Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta wrote:
Kitzerland wrote:• Krumpelburg is a region of peace and love. crosses self

Thank you, Brother Kitzerland. :hug: I find it sad how some are opposed to peace and love. Why can't we all get along?

God bless. ✞

Thank you mother.
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:48 pm

A resolution to "liberate" a region from its natives?
Sounds interesting...

Kalinin K-7 wrote:Further Disturbed by Femdom Empire’s collaboration with Authoritarian regions, or more specifically Federation of Greater German Republics, Great Empire of Great Cyan, KAISERREICH, Krumpelburg, Order of the Southern North, and Psychotic Dictatorships in the aforementioned conflict;


You just forget that Femdom Empire, Femdom State and Women Empire are "authoritarian" regions, too.
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Postby Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:58 pm

Chessmistress wrote:A resolution to "liberate" a region from its natives?
Sounds interesting...

Kalinin K-7 wrote:Further Disturbed by Femdom Empire’s collaboration with Authoritarian regions, or more specifically Federation of Greater German Republics, Great Empire of Great Cyan, KAISERREICH, Krumpelburg, Order of the Southern North, and Psychotic Dictatorships in the aforementioned conflict;


You just forget that Femdom Empire, Femdom State and Women Empire are "authoritarian" regions, too.

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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:A resolution to "liberate" a region from its natives?
Sounds interesting...



You just forget that Femdom Empire, Femdom State and Women Empire are "authoritarian" regions, too.

Honey saying that it is already failing hard. I saw this will not last


That's a pity, I would have preferred the resolution being passed, since being Femdom Empire under password the invaders would be powerless and it would be an extremely funny situation.
Even The Christian Union was in a very similar situation, our oppositors told they were going to take it back...and in the end it had been refounded, by our alliance...
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heteronormativity,
domestic violence and femicide.


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Postby Rhoydaria » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:37 pm

I'm young, easily influenced by the majority, seems to me this vote is tremendously one-sided despite the words "liberate" on the proposal.

Then again, I'm relatively new, need an experienced individual to shed light on this issue. After receiving a telegram, I've had no choice but to ask someone else.

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Postby The Atlae Isles » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:50 pm

Rhoydaria wrote:I'm young, easily influenced by the majority, seems to me this vote is tremendously one-sided despite the words "liberate" on the proposal.

Then again, I'm relatively new, need an experienced individual to shed light on this issue. After receiving a telegram, I've had no choice but to ask someone else.

Liberations don't work like you probably think it works. Femdom doesn't need to be liberated.

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Postby Rhoydaria » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:56 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Rhoydaria wrote:I'm young, easily influenced by the majority, seems to me this vote is tremendously one-sided despite the words "liberate" on the proposal.

Then again, I'm relatively new, need an experienced individual to shed light on this issue. After receiving a telegram, I've had no choice but to ask someone else.

Liberations don't work like you probably think it works. Femdom doesn't need to be liberated.

OOC: I'm on my phone now so I can't type out so much.


Enlighten me on how they truly work and why Femdom doesn't need to be liberated. Not being spiteful, just asking out of curiosity of anothers point of view.

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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:46 pm

Simply put, the popular will has determined that this proposal should not pass.

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Postby The Atlae Isles » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:05 pm

Rhoydaria wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:Liberations don't work like you probably think it works. Femdom doesn't need to be liberated.

OOC: I'm on my phone now so I can't type out so much.


Enlighten me on how they truly work and why Femdom doesn't need to be liberated. Not being spiteful, just asking out of curiosity of anothers point of view.

Ok.

Liberations are normally used when a region is raided, and has put a password on the region. Liberations remove the password, so defenders could come in to reinstate the natives.

Once in a while they're used to attack. Now, there's been a sort of 'battle' between CAIN (Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism) and those who don't support CAIN. Femdom was a Nazi Collaborator region, and CAIN invaded it. After the invasion, CAIN withdrew, but left 3 nations in the region. Now Navasse here wants to remove the password so CAIN can finish the job. Except CAIN doesn't want that either.

OOC: I'm not sure if I have all the facts right, so you'll have to ask another person if you want a more accurate thing. :p
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:30 am

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Once in a while they're used to attack. Now, there's been a sort of 'battle' between CAIN (Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism) and those who don't support CAIN. Femdom was a Nazi Collaborator region, and CAIN invaded it. After the invasion, CAIN withdrew, but left 3 nations in the region. Now Navasse here wants to remove the password so CAIN can finish the job. Except CAIN doesn't want that either.

OOC: I'm not sure if I have all the facts right, so you'll have to ask another person if you want a more accurate thing. :p

You got none of the facts right, which is an achievement :P
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Postby TASBot Sweden Shy Guy Doge Kappa AGDQ » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:46 am

So tell me again why it important for this nation to campaign the W.A Security council to condemn liberate a region of... 3 nations?
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Postby Lands of Anarchy » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:30 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Simply put, the popular will has determined that this proposal should not pass.


Of course, the region has only 3 members.

Now, why do you want to liberate a region with 3 nations in it?

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:35 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Simply put, the popular will has determined that this proposal should not pass.

No shit Sherlock.

A few of us have been telling you this would be the outcome from the very start. I wish I could say the burnt hand learns best, but I'm sure you'll be back with some equally unpopular and badly written proposal in the near future.
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Postby Sardennoi » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:13 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Simply put, the popular will has determined that this proposal should not pass.

No shit Sherlock.

A few of us have been telling you this would be the outcome from the very start. I wish I could say the burnt hand learns best, but I'm sure you'll be back with some equally unpopular and badly written proposal in the near future.


But the real question is, will the region in question have three or four nations inside it?
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Postby States of Glory » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:20 pm

Sardennoi wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:No shit Sherlock.

A few of us have been telling you this would be the outcome from the very start. I wish I could say the burnt hand learns best, but I'm sure you'll be back with some equally unpopular and badly written proposal in the near future.


But the real question is, will the region in question have three or four nations inside it?

Nope! The next project is a region with one nation in it. :P

Yes, this does mean that the logical extreme is to Liberate a region that doesn't even exist.
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