[DEFEATED] Liberate Femdom Empire

[The Rejected Realms]

All of them don't say no. You may ask the many militaries of the Left, such as the USSD, whether they would support an offensive Liberation of Femdom Empire - which they would.

Furthermore, I would say that there is a small group of regions in CAIN who still desire to Liberate Femdom Empire - so I would say there's about enough forces to invade Femdom Empire.

USSD? I doubt it now. They are ok with our win. Small, keyword. Not all. Also nope there is not.

Also, yes there is enough. You could check the Approvals for this proposal in the Security Council, and a few of them are from influential Delegates with military forces.

USSD, I believe, is firmly against Femdom Empire's passwording - I highly doubt that they're "ok" with the passwording of Femdom Empire.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

USSD? I doubt it now. They are ok with our win. Small, keyword. Not all. Also nope there is not.

Also, yes there is enough. You could check the Approvals for this proposal in the Security Council, and a few of them are from influential Delegates with military forces.

USSD, I believe, is firmly against Femdom Empire's passwording - I highly doubt that they're "ok" with the passwording of Femdom Empire.

Ok fine. But if you could not take us out first time what makes you think it will happen now? We still have all the other regions supporting us

[The Rejected Realms]

Also, yes there is enough. You could check the Approvals for this proposal in the Security Council, and a few of them are from influential Delegates with military forces.

USSD, I believe, is firmly against Femdom Empire's passwording - I highly doubt that they're "ok" with the passwording of Femdom Empire.

Ok fine. But if you could not take us out first time what makes you think it will happen now? We still have all the other regions supporting us

Of course the first time around, CAIN ultimately failed to takeover Femdom Empire. But though you still have all the other regions supporting your region, if this proposal passes, I can guarantee you that the remaining military forces in CAIN and militaries of the Left will be victorious - they aren't going to mess up again if they're given the chance.

[Kitzerland]

USSD? I doubt it now. They are ok with our win. Small, keyword. Not all. Also nope there is not.

Also, yes there is enough. You could check the Approvals for this proposal in the Security Council, and a few of them are from influential Delegates with military forces.

USSD, I believe, is firmly against Femdom Empire's passwording - I highly doubt that they're "ok" with the passwording of Femdom Empire.

So let's see this from a GP standpoint. How are TNP and USSD going to take this when the entirety of CAIN couldn't?

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Ok fine. But if you could not take us out first time what makes you think it will happen now? We still have all the other regions supporting us

Of course the first time around, CAIN ultimately failed to takeover Femdom Empire. But though you still have all the other regions supporting your region, if this proposal passes, I can guarantee you that the remaining military forces in CAIN and militaries of the Left will be victorious - they aren't going to mess up again if they're given the chance.

They did not mess up in the first place. It was all us. We had some of the best people with us. Some include German Dragons,Bedetopia,Outright Sadists,Eskvor. All of them great guys. They helped us out bunches. We also had Imperial Germans, which built all the allies. So if we get the same turnout as last time you are dead this time. Everyone is also bashing you.

[The Rejected Realms]

Also, yes there is enough. You could check the Approvals for this proposal in the Security Council, and a few of them are from influential Delegates with military forces.

USSD, I believe, is firmly against Femdom Empire's passwording - I highly doubt that they're "ok" with the passwording of Femdom Empire.

So let's see this from a GP standpoint. How are TNP and USSD going to take this when the entirety of CAIN couldn't?

I wouldn't say just TNP and USSD; I don't know CAIN too well, but there are probably other members of CAIN, such as The Internationale and The Communist Bloc, who would definitely consider invading Femdom Empire if this proposal passes.

Additionally, not every nation from every region in CAIN participated, and not to their full military capacity either. If a few dedicated regions went full on invading Femdom Empire, the participation and populations of those regions would most likely be enough for victory.

Of course the first time around, CAIN ultimately failed to takeover Femdom Empire. But though you still have all the other regions supporting your region, if this proposal passes, I can guarantee you that the remaining military forces in CAIN and militaries of the Left will be victorious - they aren't going to mess up again if they're given the chance.

They did not mess up in the first place. It was all us. We had some of the best people with us. Some include German Dragons,Bedetopia,Outright Sadists,Eskvor. All of them great guys. They helped us out bunches. We also had Imperial Germans, which built all the allies. So if we get the same turnout as last time you are dead this time. Everyone is also bashing you.

We aren't dead this time; the only reason that Femdom Empire wasn't taken over by CAIN was because there wasn't full participation from the organization; on the other hand, there was massive levels of participation from your side, which I think will definitely be equaled in the second clash for control of the region.

[Kitzerland]

So let's see this from a GP standpoint. How are TNP and USSD going to take this when the entirety of CAIN couldn't?

I wouldn't say just TNP and USSD; I don't know CAIN too well, but there are probably other members of CAIN, such as The Internationale and The Communist Bloc, who would definitely consider invading Femdom Empire if this proposal passes.

Additionally, not every nation from every region in CAIN participated, and not to their full military capacity either. If a few dedicated regions went full on invading Femdom Empire, the participation and populations of those regions would most likely be enough for victory.

How can you speak for them? Show me their support and I'll entertain the idea of taking you seriously.

[The Rejected Realms]

How can you speak for them? Show me their support and I'll entertain the idea of taking you seriously.

I'm assuming, off of these region's strict anti-fascist policies, that they would be the regions most likely interested in Offensively Liberating the region. They will most likely post in this forum soon, though, so we shall see their true opinions about this.

[ROM]

I'm pretty sure that CAIN has moved on from Femdom Empire. Also, you are not going to draw many nations to invade the region, especially if you are involved in it.

[Sygmund]

Of course the first time around, CAIN ultimately failed to takeover Femdom Empire. But though you still have all the other regions supporting your region, if this proposal passes, I can guarantee you that the remaining military forces in CAIN and militaries of the Left will be victorious - they aren't going to mess up again if they're given the chance.

They failed to take over due to a variety of things, specifically an insufficient update force. If this proposal reaches quorum, it is obvious that Nazi Europa, KREICH, etc will be sending their pilers over there again and we'll just have a repeat of a couple months ago. What makes you think that CAIN has the numbers to take it now? You can't guarantee anything because CAIN didn't "mess up" the first time, they just tried to provide numbers and could not bring enough updaters to take it.

Clearly you need a recent history lesson.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Clearly you need a recent history lesson.

Lol

[Wallenburg]

I'm basing this proposal on the morals of the Security Council. If the Security Council is perfectly okay with letting a region that collaborated extensively with Nazis and other fascists to refound securely, thus continuing a culture of Nazi association, that's the Security Council's choice.

It ought to be perfectly okay with such things. The World Assembly has no business dictating ideologies onto member states, and most certainly has no business dictating them onto non-member states. Just because you don't like Naziism does not mean Nazis do not have a right to exist.

You may say that you won't vote for this simply because my reputation is undeserving of gaining yet another resolution, but the fact of the matter is, this is technically the last, secure opportunity to break down the walls of Femdom Empire. The only other possibility is to hawk the refound, but that would be insecure.

You are listing out the reasons why I do not support this proposal, and will vote against this rubbish if it makes it to vote.

Finally, though many CAIN members may wish to leave this alone, if nations know they can do something like Femdom Empire with their own regions, they will - and the Nazis' influence will increase.

If nations know they can refound their regions in peace to ensure greater security against raiders, the Nazis will win? What the fuck is that logic?

Regions will begin asking for Nazis' defenses more and more, simply because they think they can get away with it, and believe that they can safely refound their region with Nazis instead defenders - but only if we simply ignored Femdom Empire.

If Nazis become the only ones willing to defend regions against invaders, then I'd say Nazi regions are doing a service to the NationStates community, and some of them might actually become deserving of commendation.

[USS Monitor]

As I've said before, we can't just get over this. If we let Femdom Empire successfully refound, the region will set a precedent in that if you work with Nazis and Fascists, they will help you refound your region, and this would increase the amount of Nazi collaboration already happening in NationStates.

It was this same indifference in Nazis in pre-WWII Germany that caused the rapid rise of the Nazis and Adolf Hitler into power. Do we want a similar occurrence in NationStates?

I am sorry but anyone like you doesnt deserve to live. This is what nazis would do, but you do it too

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I know we allow some slack for trash-talking in GP, but telling someone they don't deserve to live is too far for that, and it's directed at TRR, not a fictional character in their nation.

[CoraSpia]

I'm basing this proposal on the morals of the Security Council. If the Security Council is perfectly okay with letting a region that collaborated extensively with Nazis and other fascists to refound securely, thus continuing a culture of Nazi association, that's the Security Council's choice.

It ought to be perfectly okay with such things. The World Assembly has no business dictating ideologies onto member states, and most certainly has no business dictating them onto non-member states. Just because you don't like Naziism does not mean Nazis do not have a right to exist.

You may say that you won't vote for this simply because my reputation is undeserving of gaining yet another resolution, but the fact of the matter is, this is technically the last, secure opportunity to break down the walls of Femdom Empire. The only other possibility is to hawk the refound, but that would be insecure.

You are listing out the reasons why I do not support this proposal, and will vote against this rubbish if it makes it to vote.

Finally, though many CAIN members may wish to leave this alone, if nations know they can do something like Femdom Empire with their own regions, they will - and the Nazis' influence will increase.

If nations know they can refound their regions in peace to ensure greater security against raiders, the Nazis will win? What the fuck is that logic?

Regions will begin asking for Nazis' defenses more and more, simply because they think they can get away with it, and believe that they can safely refound their region with Nazis instead defenders - but only if we simply ignored Femdom Empire.

If Nazis become the only ones willing to defend regions against invaders, then I'd say Nazi regions are doing a service to the NationStates community, and some of them might actually become deserving of commendation.

All this sort of resolution does is perpetuates the strange idea on ns that Nazi regions are, by definition, less deserving of respect than other regions.
This is blatently false.

The vast majority of people who call themselves Nazis on ns do so for rp purposes, and do not wish any particular ethnic group harm. The hysteria that seems to surround their very existence is, I believe, completely unfounded, and in certain cases (see: the Nazi Europe siege for example) tantamount to harassment.

[Ravnabbor]

My apologies for the long USSD response time, our leader is at school at the time of writing this and the other Politburo are offline as well. The USSD wants to stress that we are not okay with the Femdom Empire's victory, nor do we support them in any way, shape, or form. I personally believe that Nazis and other far-right regions have a right to exist (free speech and all that), but that belief depends on whether or not the region participates in invasions; which the Femdom Empire does. So despite my belief that CAIN can be overzealous, I applaud CAIN for what they attempted here.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

My apologies for the long USSD response time, our leader is at school at the time of writing this and the other Politburo are offline as well. The USSD wants to stress that we are not okay with the Femdom Empire's victory, nor do we support them in any way, shape, or form. I personally believe that Nazis and other far-right regions have a right to exist (free speech and all that), but that belief depends on whether or not the region participates in invasions; which the Femdom Empire does. So despite my belief that CAIN can be overzealous, I applaud CAIN for what they attempted here.

Can we get a definitive answer from you? Or just a political answer?

[CoraSpia]

My apologies for the long USSD response time, our leader is at school at the time of writing this and the other Politburo are offline as well. The USSD wants to stress that we are not okay with the Femdom Empire's victory, nor do we support them in any way, shape, or form. I personally believe that Nazis and other far-right regions have a right to exist (free speech and all that), but that belief depends on whether or not the region participates in invasions; which the Femdom Empire does. So despite my belief that CAIN can be overzealous, I applaud CAIN for what they attempted here.

Aren't you a raider? What happened to that ol' thing called raider unity?

[Ravnabbor]

Can we get a definitive answer from you? Or just a political answer?

If you mean an answer of what my vote would be, I would vote FOR the liberation. However I'm uncertain as to how the USSD as a whole will vote.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Can we get a definitive answer from you? Or just a political answer?

If you mean an answer of what my vote would be, I would vote FOR the liberation. However I'm uncertain as to how the USSD as a whole will vote.

Ok, that is what I wanted to hear. Not needed but still

[Ravnabbor]

Aren't you a raider? What happened to that ol' thing called raider unity?

I'm not really much of a raider these days (not that I've accomplished much anyways), as I have very little time for it now. I'll pile for the Invaders when asked but otherwise I don't really participate anymore. I also care about the politics of invaded regions, for instance if the Invaders want to raid a leftist region, I won't join. As for raider unity, I simply won't support any far-right region due to my own beliefs.

[Bedetopia]

Well, if the nations in the Security Council approve this proposal, we shall see it to vote.

However, for you all looking at this: you can either let the Nazi collaboration become an increasingly common phenomenon, or you can pluck away the initiating factor for future Nazi collaboration with this resolution. Besides, do we want this region to set a precedent? That Nazis can win? That they can win and possibly even refound the region safely?

I don't want this precedent, and you shouldn't either.

They have already won. Bigly. They've won a war with approximately 80 people on each side, including up to 50 enemy updaters. Capturing the region through dirty means won't erase this humiliation, it could even amplify it. Would CAIN members want to be remembered as people who don't like to play fair?

Also, what makes you think Jadny intends to refound her region? Especially because there is still one nation that would have to be removed to do so, Moonrunner. He's kind of neutral and won't move, he's active and has a bit of influence. There is no imminent refound coming anytime soon, this proposal is therefore not as critical as you'd think.

Furthermore...

Additionally, not every nation from every region in CAIN participated, and not to their full military capacity either. If a few dedicated regions went full on invading Femdom Empire, the participation and populations of those regions would most likely be enough for victory.

We aren't dead this time; the only reason that Femdom Empire wasn't taken over by CAIN was because there wasn't full participation from the organization; on the other hand, there was massive levels of participation from your side, which I think will definitely be equaled in the second clash for control of the region.

It was during winter holidays. Winter. Holidays. That's when most people are readily available almost every day. I can't wake-up at 6am or be there at 18pm everytime now that vacations are over, and I'm sure neither can many CAIN members. They've got school, work, families, that kind of stuff. They'll never be able to get more people than during the war. Granted, this also applies to the winning side, but it's too unpredictable to be able to boast about a certain victory.

PS: Maybe you could honor your puppet's name (how did you even get it?) and give it a proper flag, in exchange for using it to mislead people.

[Karafuto-cho]

Who, exactly is going to do that, though? CAIN seems to be against the resolution, and appears to not wish to invade Femdom Empire. I'm also pretty sure you don't have enough of your people to invade it either.

The Slendermen military and most likely Anti-Authoritarian forces, aka Leftist militaries of NationStates.

Please, please, please stop fucking swinging around the nonexistent weight of your "Slendermen". Literally just taking a glance at your forums shows that you have exactly zero applicants to your military.

Frankly, the Slendermen aren't shit and DankMemes isn't shit. You're a toothless chihuahua barking loudly but with nothing to back it up with. That's you, Navasse. Nothing but talk. In several years time, if NS is still around, raiding will still be here and the NPO will still be here and you will almost be graduating high school. Hell, the NPO would probably outlive NS considering it has cells on multiple websites such as P&W and CN that are also extremely powerful in those games. You really should probably just give the fuck up and become an RPer or something because you have no place in GP.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The Slendermen military and most likely Anti-Authoritarian forces, aka Leftist militaries of NationStates.

Please, please, please stop fucking swinging around the nonexistent weight of your "Slendermen". Literally just taking a glance at your forums shows that you have exactly zero applicants to your military.

Frankly, the Slendermen aren't shit and DankMemes isn't shit. You're a toothless chihuahua barking loudly but with nothing to back it up with. That's you, Navasse. Nothing but talk. In several years time, if NS is still around, raiding will still be here and the NPO will still be here and you will almost be graduating high school. Hell, the NPO would probably outlive NS considering it has cells on multiple websites such as P&W and CN that are also extremely powerful in those games. You really should probably just give the fuck up and become an RPer or something because you have no place in GP.

We tolerate a certain degree of adversarial posting in here. This crosses the line. You don't get to tell anyone they don't have a place in gameplay, you don't get to tell anyone anything about where they belong on this site authoritatively. The high school bit certainly didn't help your cause either.

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[Aimdar-Goomdar]

The Slendermen military and most likely Anti-Authoritarian forces, aka Leftist militaries of NationStates.

Please, please, please stop fucking swinging around the nonexistent weight of your "Slendermen". Literally just taking a glance at your forums shows that you have exactly zero applicants to your military.

Frankly, the Slendermen aren't shit and DankMemes isn't shit. You're a toothless chihuahua barking loudly but with nothing to back it up with. That's you, Navasse. Nothing but talk. In several years time, if NS is still around, raiding will still be here and the NPO will still be here and you will almost be graduating high school. Hell, the NPO would probably outlive NS considering it has cells on multiple websites such as P&W and CN that are also extremely powerful in those games. You really should probably just give the fuck up and become an RPer or something because you have no place in GP.

I understand that you adamantly disagree with my agenda to Liberate Femdom Empire. However, I'd like to bring up a few points.

• Slendermen has three members, including me, so far. These applicants have been signed up on Discord.
• I understand that I haven't taken any major military action, if at all. However, I am carefully planning out my course of action regarding "Liberate Femdom Empire" to ensure that unlike the previous few proposals, this proposal makes it to fruition. I'm also planning out the actions for The Resistance Against the Order, especially after the inclusion of former major coupers who I shall not name.
• Raiding, I admit, is ultimately not erasable. However, it can be suppressed to its maximum extent, and possibly be converted to Ideological Invading, which is much more purposeful than the current state of R/D.
• The current agenda currently being formulated in TRATO would be a multi-website war against the New Pacific Order on three primary fronts: NationStates, CyberNations, and Politics & War. Everything with a beginning has an end. However, I must admit that most likely, TRATO would have to use asymmetrical warfare to truly combat NPO, and later transition to conventional warfare once enough members are gained.
• Finally: I never give up in what I believe is right.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I simply used the nation out of convenience

Convenience for whom and to avoid what barrier? Why did you believe it would be appropriate to use what appears, to the uninformed viewer, a TRR regional puppet, for a personal mission, shortly after becoming involved with the regional government?