[DEFEATED] Liberate Femdom Empire

[Kitzerland]

Secondly, I do not believe in pure raiding, or raiding simply for the fun of it, but rather ideological raiding and defending, or practicing R/D based on the ideology of the region.

We're complete opposites, it seems. But that's just an aside.

Here's a question to the other players: What does raiderdom think of using raiding for ideological purposes? Is it as fun, despite the fact that failures are even more disheartening? Would you approve of abusing the SC like OP to get an ideological victory?

Ah, so instead of raiding for fun, you target people based on political views. Because what's more moral that clamping down on dissent, amirite?

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Ah, so instead of raiding for fun, you target people based on political views. Because what's more moral that clamping down on dissent, amirite?

Because we aim to eradicate and slowly discourage the founding of authoritarian regions through taking military action against them and diplomatically isolating them.

[Tim-Opolis]

Secondly, I do not believe in pure raiding, or raiding simply for the fun of it, but rather ideological raiding and defending, or practicing R/D based on the ideology of the region.

We're complete opposites, it seems. But that's just an aside.

Here's a question to the other players: What does raiderdom think of using raiding for ideological purposes? Is it as fun, despite the fact that failures are even more disheartening? Would you approve of abusing the SC like OP to get an ideological victory?

Not a raider, but how do you think we got Nazi Europe? It's not a new tactic, nor is it abuse of the Security Council.

[Drasnia]

We're complete opposites, it seems. But that's just an aside.

Here's a question to the other players: What does raiderdom think of using raiding for ideological purposes? Is it as fun, despite the fact that failures are even more disheartening? Would you approve of abusing the SC like OP to get an ideological victory?

-snip- It's not a new tactic, nor is it abuse of the Security Council.

Except some people do consider it an abuse of the SC. It's one of the true divisions in the SC, whether or not to use liberations offensively.

[Karafuto-cho]

Ah, so instead of raiding for fun, you target people based on political views. Because what's more moral that clamping down on dissent, amirite?

Because we aim to eradicate and slowly discourage the founding of authoritarian regions through taking military action against them and diplomatically isolating them.

Good luck. Democracy on NS is a farce. Dictatorships and oligarchies are the only ways to keep a region secure. This game is literally about power. Why the hell else would someone want to play a game where you control a country? The people here are power hungry as fuck and they will seize that the moment they can.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Because we aim to eradicate and slowly discourage the founding of authoritarian regions through taking military action against them and diplomatically isolating them.

Good luck. Democracy on NS is a farce. Dictatorships and oligarchies are the only ways to keep a region secure. This game is literally about power. Why the hell else would someone want to play a game where you control a country? The people here are power hungry as fuck and they will seize that the moment they can.

Well then, we'll have to reform the NS community as a whole.

[Karafuto-cho]

Good luck. Democracy on NS is a farce. Dictatorships and oligarchies are the only ways to keep a region secure. This game is literally about power. Why the hell else would someone want to play a game where you control a country? The people here are power hungry as fuck and they will seize that the moment they can.

Well then, we'll have to reform the NS community as a whole.

Does your ego ever stop?

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Well then, we'll have to reform the NS community as a whole.

Does your ego ever stop?

Yes it does - I understand it is immensely hard to reform the community, but it has to be done.

[Tim-Opolis]

Does your ego ever stop?

Yes it does - I understand it is immensely hard to reform the community, but it has to be done.

Bolded emphasis mine. Doesn't look like that ego's doing any stopping.

[The Atlae Isles]

While I have to disagree with Karuft-cho, I must say:

Anyone has a right to make a region how they want.

You don't object to that by condemning them, or using "offensive liberations." That erodes the foundation of the SC (some will say it never existed, however)

Anyhow, reforming the whole community is not going to happen; everyone has their own ideological opinions, and no one would agree to a whole upheaval of the establishment.

It even goes against most social structures. Don't try messing with sociology. Never ends well.

[Escape from Trump]

For one thing, you violate the rule against mentioning IRL ideologies without explaining what they mean in gameplay, mentioning fascism and authoritarianism multiple times. Secondly, say which fascist regions helped them. For all I know, you're full of crap(well, we already know that anyway...).Thirdly, so what if they ally with authoritarians? Femdom never hurt anyone, except a few invasions-which doesn't even merit a condemnation, let alone an offensive liberation. Why shouldn't they defend themselves? And, finally, this probably is going nowhere. Pretty much every post on this thread is negative. No-one's voting for this, and I don't know any user named "no-one".

[Karafuto-cho]

While I have to disagree with Karuft-cho, I must say:

Anyone has a right to make a region how they want.

You don't object to that by condemning them, or using "offensive liberations." That erodes the foundation of the SC (some will say it never existed, however)

Anyhow, reforming the whole community is not going to happen; everyone has their own ideological opinions, and no one would agree to a whole upheaval of the establishment.

It even goes against most social structures. Don't try messing with sociology. Never ends well.

Disagree with me on what specifically?

[Kalinin K-7]

For one thing, you violate the rule against mentioning IRL ideologies without explaining what they mean in gameplay, mentioning fascism and authoritarianism multiple times. Secondly, say which fascist regions helped them. For all I know, you're full of crap(well, we already know that anyway...).Thirdly, so what if they ally with authoritarians? Femdom never hurt anyone, except a few invasions-which doesn't even merit a condemnation, let alone an offensive liberation. Why shouldn't they defend themselves? And, finally, this probably is going nowhere. Pretty much every post on this thread is negative. No-one's voting for this, and I don't no any user named "no-one".

Thank you for your constructive criticism; I've edited the draft extensively according to it.

[Aclion]

So now you're proposing an offensive liberation because a region got help from one group of authoritarian fascists to defend itself against an attack by another group of authoritarian fascists.

Not that it matters. It's now illegal because it has a rule 3 violation.

[La Navasse]

So now you're proposing an offensive liberation because a region got help from one group of authoritarian fascists to defend itself against an attack by another group of authoritarian fascists.

Not that it matters. It's now illegal because it has a rule 3 violation.

I don't believe so; the primary purpose of the Liberation is to explain why Femdom Empire should be liberated. I may have gone to much detail in my explanations, but I do believe it is legal. I shall wait for other's opinions, though, just in case.

Also, calling CAIN a group of authoritarian fascists is simply a false statement.

[Bedetopia]

Does your ego ever stop?

Yes it does - I understand it is immensely hard to reform the community, but it has to be done.

How would you react if I suggested that all democratic regions should be destroyed and replaced with dictatorships, "because it has to be done"?

[Kitzerland]

Yes it does - I understand it is immensely hard to reform the community, but it has to be done.

How would you react if I suggested that all democratic regions should be destroyed and replaced with dictatorships, "because it has to be done"?

I would tell you to stop acting like Navasse.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

So now you're proposing an offensive liberation because a region got help from one group of authoritarian fascists to defend itself against an attack by another group of authoritarian fascists.

Not that it matters. It's now illegal because it has a rule 3 violation.

Can't see the R3 violation, but there are a couple of possible R4 illegalities that I can see.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

So now you're proposing an offensive liberation because a region got help from one group of authoritarian fascists to defend itself against an attack by another group of authoritarian fascists.

Not that it matters. It's now illegal because it has a rule 3 violation.

Can't see the R3 violation, but there are a couple of possible R4 illegalities that I can see.

I'd like for you to point them out for me, then.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Can't see the R3 violation, but there are a couple of possible R4 illegalities that I can see.

I'd like for you to point them out for me, then.

Happy for you to work it out by yourself.

[Aclion]

So now you're proposing an offensive liberation because a region got help from one group of authoritarian fascists to defend itself against an attack by another group of authoritarian fascists.

Not that it matters. It's now illegal because it has a rule 3 violation.

I don't believe so; the primary purpose of the Liberation is to explain why Femdom Empire should be liberated. I may have gone to much detail in my explanations, but I do believe it is legal. I shall wait for other's opinions, though, just in case.

Also, calling CAIN a group of authoritarian fascists is simply a false statement.

Hey don't blame me. I didn't write the definitions.

[The Atlae Isles]

While I have to disagree with Karuft-cho, I must say:

Anyone has a right to make a region how they want.

You don't object to that by condemning them, or using "offensive liberations." That erodes the foundation of the SC (some will say it never existed, however)

Anyhow, reforming the whole community is not going to happen; everyone has their own ideological opinions, and no one would agree to a whole upheaval of the establishment.

It even goes against most social structures. Don't try messing with sociology. Never ends well.

Disagree with me on what specifically?

Dictatorships and Oligarchies being the only way to keep a region secure - but I reside in a feeder, so...

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

R4 illegalities:

Defines the term Authoritarianism as a political philosophy, movement, or regime that favors a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not usually constitutionally responsible to the people that tends to lead to oppression and tyranny and the term Fascism as a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts region and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition;

There are no people no individuals in NS, just nations and regions.

Also this whole section reads like one big copy-paste from a dictionary, not sure if that would count as plagiarism. Certainly doesn't look like original thought. The funny thing is if you had bothered to read the rules properly you would have seen that a definition of an ideology is only required for C&Cs, not Liberations. Sloppy work as per usual.

[Sardennoi]

Does your ego ever stop?

Yes it does - I understand it is immensely hard to reform the community, but it has to be done.

Who are you to decide what the morals of the entire community should be?
That's not extremely authoritarian of you at all! /s

[Karafuto-cho]

Disagree with me on what specifically?

Dictatorships and Oligarchies being the only way to keep a region secure - but I reside in a feeder, so...

Feeders require them the most, really. I mean, look at just the past year: Osiris couped from its democratic government and TEP had a pseudo-coup scare. The NPO, the government of the Pacific for about 13 years now, is an oligarchy.