[Defeated] Condemn "The CAIN"

[TUDB Indo]

Even though you just added a little joke in the thread, I thank you for taking the time to read this (I hope).

But your puppet spamming the GCR RMBs is not a joke.

I am simply asking the GCRs to support it, with only 1 message. The rest is just general conversation. If it was banned, I would not have done it.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

But your puppet spamming the GCR RMBs is not a joke.

I am simply asking the GCRs to support it, with only 1 message. The rest is just general conversation. If it was banned, I would not have done it.

Check the rules - WA advertising spam.

[Benjabobaria]

The CAIN is a terrorist/raider organization. I would like to see united action against them, and am very worried about how much support they are getting. Destroying groups of people whose culture you don't like is essentially Nazism in my opinion. However the CAIN is not one region so SC resolutions against them are meaningless.
Edit: Changed the post so it's a bit less triggering.

[TUDB Indo]

I am simply asking the GCRs to support it, with only 1 message. The rest is just general conversation. If it was banned, I would not have done it.

Check the rules - WA advertising spam.

I stand corrected. Deleted posts

[TUDB Indo]

The CAIN is a terrorist organization that needs to be wiped off of NS. Destroying groups of people whose culture you don't like is essentially Nazism. However the CAIN is not one region so SC resolutions against them are meaningless.

They have a region called The CAIN with Europeian Documents in.

[Indo-Malaysia]

I think the proposal is good, since it has 41 Approvals.

[Caelapes]

I think the proposal is good, since it has 41 Approvals.

That's pretty far short of how many it needs to make it to vote, and delegate approvals are a dime a dozen - if that's your barometer of a "good proposal," I'd hate to see your idea of a bad one.

[Indo-Malaysia]

I think the proposal is good, since it has 41 Approvals.

That's pretty far short of how many it needs to make it to vote, and delegate approvals are a dime a dozen - if that's your barometer of a "good proposal," I'd hate to see your idea of a bad one.

The only idea I have of bad ones are the ones that occasionally get discarded by the mods.

[Abbas Khan]

That's pretty far short of how many it needs to make it to vote, and delegate approvals are a dime a dozen - if that's your barometer of a "good proposal," I'd hate to see your idea of a bad one.

The only idea I have of bad ones are the ones that occasionally get discarded by the mods.

It will probably make quorum due to the high number of low ranking, one endorsement delegates but the GCR delegates are the ones that decide the vote and you most definitely will not have their support.

[Kaboomlandia]

That's pretty far short of how many it needs to make it to vote, and delegate approvals are a dime a dozen - if that's your barometer of a "good proposal," I'd hate to see your idea of a bad one.

The only idea I have of bad ones are the ones that occasionally get discarded by the mods.

Legality doesn't necessarily mean a proposal is any good. I've seen 3-line proposals be barely legal before.

[Brunhizzle]

XD pedantics, Brun.

Eh, it's a pretty big thing. TNP's only role in the foundation of CAIN was as an attendee to the conference and as an original signatory.

[Abbas Khan]

XD pedantics, Brun.

Eh, it's a pretty big thing. TNP's only role in the foundation of CAIN was as an attendee to the conference and as an original signatory.

That latter part is what I meant, Brun.

[LollerLand]

I don't know why you think that people will want to condemn CAIN this time, as opposed to last time. All the same points are made as with the last proposal, with an extra dose of obliviousness.

Basically this^

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

CAIN's dishonesty and hypocrisy are mind blowing...

Excerpt from their telegram urging people not to support this resolution:

"CAIN is devoted to combating antisemitism, racism, and persecution of the LGBT community."

Absolute and utter bullshit. CAIN is not devoted to fighting neither anti-Semitism, nor racism, nor persecution of the LGBT community. CAIN is devoted to using these as excuses, but not to actually opposing them.

What CAIN actually opposes is any region referencing German 19th/20th-century history, or using the symbolism of the German state at that time. That is all; CAIN opposes symbols, not attitudes. For them, racism, persecution of the LGBT community et al. are only ever "bad" when the people doing them 1) explicitly call themselves "Nazis" (whether they actually are Nazis matters not), or 2) explicitly associate themselves with anything German.

All of this is incredibly easy to prove. How the hell can anyone take these clowns seriously on their claim that they "oppose racism" when they HAVE NOT EVEN MENTIONED ANY OF THE ALT-RIGHT, WHITE-NATIONALIST REGIONS, of which there are MANY, MANY MORE THAN THERE ARE NAZI REGIONS? Their hypocrisy is so damn obvious, people. Yes, fighting Nazism is noble (and they're not even doing that, fundamentally...), but you know what's even better? Fighting racism NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY'S BANNERS THE RACISTS CHOOSE TO GATHER UNDER, AND NO MATTER WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO CALL THEMSELVES.

CAIN needs to either stop advertising themselves as what they are not, and keep doing what they're doing; or they can actually take their own claims to heart and CHANGE THEIR POLICY TO ACTUALLY REFLECT WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY ARE DOING. Anything else is dishonest, hypocritical, and hence worthy of condemnation.

[Novyy Balans]

CAIN's dishonesty and hypocrisy are mind blowing...

Excerpt from their telegram urging people not to support this resolution:

"CAIN is devoted to combating antisemitism, racism, and persecution of the LGBT community."

Absolute and utter bullshit. CAIN is not devoted to fighting neither anti-Semitism, nor racism, nor persecution of the LGBT community. CAIN is devoted to using these as excuses, but not to actually opposing them.

What CAIN actually opposes is any region referencing German 19th/20th-century history, or using the symbolism of the German state at that time. That is all; CAIN opposes symbols, not attitudes. For them, racism, persecution of the LGBT community et al. are only ever "bad" when the people doing them 1) explicitly call themselves "Nazis" (whether they actually are Nazis matters not), or 2) explicitly associate themselves with anything German.

All of this is incredibly easy to prove. How the hell can anyone take these clowns seriously on their claim that they "oppose racism" when they HAVE NOT EVEN MENTIONED ANY OF THE ALT-RIGHT, WHITE-NATIONALIST REGIONS, of which there are MANY, MANY MORE THAN THERE ARE NAZI REGIONS? Their hypocrisy is so damn obvious, people. Yes, fighting Nazism is noble, but you know what's even better? Fighting racism NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY'S BANNERS THE RACISTS CHOOSE TO GATHER UNDER, AND NO MATTER WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO CALL THEMSELVES.

CAIN needs to either stop advertising themselves as what they are not, and keep doing what they're doing; or they can actually take their own claims to heart and CHANGE THEIR POLICY TO ACTUALLY REFLECT WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY ARE DOING. Anything else is dishonest, hypocritical, and hence worthy of condemnation.

Totally off-topic, but how on earth can you be a nazi and be pro-immigration and anti-homophobia? If I remember correctly, Mr. Hitler was pretty much the exact opposite.

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

CAIN's dishonesty and hypocrisy are mind blowing...

Excerpt from their telegram urging people not to support this resolution:

Absolute and utter bullshit. CAIN is not devoted to fighting neither anti-Semitism, nor racism, nor persecution of the LGBT community. CAIN is devoted to using these as excuses, but not to actually opposing them.

What CAIN actually opposes is any region referencing German 19th/20th-century history, or using the symbolism of the German state at that time. That is all; CAIN opposes symbols, not attitudes. For them, racism, persecution of the LGBT community et al. are only ever "bad" when the people doing them 1) explicitly call themselves "Nazis" (whether they actually are Nazis matters not), or 2) explicitly associate themselves with anything German.

All of this is incredibly easy to prove. How the hell can anyone take these clowns seriously on their claim that they "oppose racism" when they HAVE NOT EVEN MENTIONED ANY OF THE ALT-RIGHT, WHITE-NATIONALIST REGIONS, of which there are MANY, MANY MORE THAN THERE ARE NAZI REGIONS? Their hypocrisy is so damn obvious, people. Yes, fighting Nazism is noble, but you know what's even better? Fighting racism NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY'S BANNERS THE RACISTS CHOOSE TO GATHER UNDER, AND NO MATTER WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO CALL THEMSELVES.

CAIN needs to either stop advertising themselves as what they are not, and keep doing what they're doing; or they can actually take their own claims to heart and CHANGE THEIR POLICY TO ACTUALLY REFLECT WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY ARE DOING. Anything else is dishonest, hypocritical, and hence worthy of condemnation.

Totally off-topic, but how on earth can you be a nazi and be pro-immigration and anti-homophobia? If I remember correctly, Mr. Hitler was pretty much the exact opposite.

I'll reply in a telegram, if that's fine with you.

[Sedgistan]

Totally off-topic, but <snip>

You should have stopped there. This is how the threadjacks start on every Nazi-related thread.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

This is a good proposal, but the membership of CAIN alone has the numbers to defeat it should it come to a vote.

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

This is a good proposal, but the membership of CAIN alone has the numbers to defeat it should it come to a vote.

Don't you just love democracy?

[Crazy girl]

The submitted proposal (which is different from the one in the OP of this thread) contained a rule 4 violation and has been removed.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The submitted proposal (which is different from the one in the OP of this thread) contained a rule 4 violation and has been removed.

I missed it - where was it please CG?

[Crazy girl]

"germanic"

[Indo-Malaysia]

"germanic"

How else am I meant to describe it? It is a theme.

[Lands of Anarchy]

Welp, here goes

Dismayed at the aggressive libel performed by The CAIN towards KAISERREICH, falsely portraying it as a Nazi Region

Abhorred at CAIN's attempted raids of Femdom Empire

Discontent that the 'evidence' provided by CAIN about the aforementioned regions consists of dated records and past leaders even denounced by those very regions

Further Dismayed at the labelling of regions which have established embassies of such regions as 'Nazi Collaborators' without any regard for such regions

Horrified that CAIN has smeared the reputations of almost a hundred regions by denouncing them through their liberally usage of the terms 'Nazi Region' and 'Nazi Collaborator

Infuriated that many regions have suffered as a result of the aforementioned slander

Bewildered as to why a region would be labelled as a Nazi Collaborator solely for having established embassies with supposed 'Nazi Regions'

Denunciating this activity for being counterproductive to the Anti-Nazi movement

Concerned that CAIN's liberal use of the label "Nazi" will render the term meaningless

Affirmative that the condemnation of The CAIN is necessary towards a long-term effort to cease the liberal labelling and aggressive campaign for regions to break ties with such labelled regions

Yearning that the condemnation will lead to signatories realising the blatant flaws and potentially reform the CAIN or create a new, more exemplary and meticulous organisation to truly suppress the Nazi Ideology as opposed to targeting regions based on outdated 'evidence' and embassies

The Resolution hereby condemns The CAIN

Would just like to point out (in case you missed it on the rmb) that Femdom Empire was anti-CAIN before CAIN started raiding it, hence the raids on it by CAIN. (Edit: I am wrong.)

Otherwise, I definitely support this proposal, as CAIN definitely needs reforms.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

Would just like to point out (in case you missed it on the rmb) that Femdom Empire was anti-CAIN before CAIN started raiding it, hence the raids on it by CAIN.

Evidence?