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Postby Caelapes » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:53 pm

Canton Empire wrote:It should be quite clear, after many controversies, that TRF is no longer the best of the best and should not be commended for it's work.

The "controversies" mentioned in this Repeal are overwhelmingly more than a year old and long-settled.

And I'm pretty sure we're still the best of the best. ;)
    
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Postby Canton Empire » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:57 pm

Caelapes wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:It should be quite clear, after many controversies, that TRF is no longer the best of the best and should not be commended for it's work.

The "controversies" mentioned in this Repeal are overwhelmingly more than a year old and long-settled.

And I'm pretty sure we're still the best of the best. ;)

Yeah, no. Nice try though.
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Postby Godless Monkey » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:06 am

Canton Empire wrote:
Caelapes wrote:The "controversies" mentioned in this Repeal are overwhelmingly more than a year old and long-settled.

And I'm pretty sure we're still the best of the best. ;)

Yeah, no. Nice try though.

Nah, yes. Failed attempt however.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:40 pm

Canton Empire wrote:
Example to why UMass and RTL is worng:
"You called me a name! I'm gonna tell everyone to hate you!"


How many times do I have to say this, I've been against TRF long before the fascist collaborator nonsense came onto the scene. It just threw me over the edge. Furthermore, we've never been saying to hate the Red Fleet or anyone in it. In fact, I'll be the first to say that they have done quite laudable things. However, the awful things they've done to other regions make them unworthy of commendation. Right to Life, as a larger region, which members like CD, has an obligation to speak for regions who can't

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:48 am

Since the author didn't seem to feel the need to tell us, I'll notify the Security Council that this has been proposed after two months of silence on the issue. Here's to hoping it fails to reach quorum so we don't have to bother with shooting it down.
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Postby Caelapes » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:08 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:Since the author didn't seem to feel the need to tell us, I'll notify the Security Council that this has been proposed after two months of silence on the issue. Here's to hoping it fails to reach quorum so we don't have to bother with shooting it down.

It already failed to reach quorum the first time. I don't think the draft is substantially different than the one that was already passed over.
    
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:24 am

Caelapes wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Since the author didn't seem to feel the need to tell us, I'll notify the Security Council that this has been proposed after two months of silence on the issue. Here's to hoping it fails to reach quorum so we don't have to bother with shooting it down.

It already failed to reach quorum the first time. I don't think the draft is substantially different than the one that was already passed over.

I'm pretty sure it's identical to the original one, from a quick half-assed glance.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:30 am

Not even a notification that you were going to submit this? Jesus, I dug through the SC forum for this thread and still couldn't find it. It looked to me that this didn't even have a drafting thread.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:38 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Caelapes wrote:It already failed to reach quorum the first time. I don't think the draft is substantially different than the one that was already passed over.

I'm pretty sure it's identical to the original one, from a quick half-assed glance.

It is identical - I did more than a half-assed glance. :)
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Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:08 pm

It may interest the delegation that Misley is currently engaged in a tele campaign, in which they hilariously claim that The Red Fleet's military campaigns are authorized by the security counsel. By a Repeal resolution of all things. :roll:
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Postby Caelapes » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:17 pm

Aclion wrote:It may interest the delegation that Caelapes is currently engaged in a tele campaign, in which they hilariously claim that The Red Fleet's military campaigns are authorized by the security counsel. By a Repeal resolution of all things. :roll:

We interpret the overwhelming passage of SC #181, which includes the clause, "Emphasizing further that the former native members of CAPS may rightly seek further retribution for this crime [regional destruction]" as justification for retaliatory attacks against REATO.

The Security Council can't "authorize" military campaigns.
    
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Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:21 pm

Caelape's tele wrote:The last clause of SC#181 reads, "Emphasizing further that the former native members of CAPS may rightly seek further retribution for this crime;" - it is this clause, passed by the Security Council, that gives The Red Fleet justification for the destruction of members of the alliance that destroyed so many of our regions. REATO did not have any such international body authorize its destructive actions!
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:24 pm

Aclion wrote:
Caelape's tele wrote:The last clause of SC#181 reads, "Emphasizing further that the former native members of CAPS may rightly seek further retribution for this crime;" - it is this clause, passed by the Security Council, that gives The Red Fleet justification for the destruction of members of the alliance that destroyed so many of our regions. REATO did not have any such international body authorize its destructive actions!

You're kind of proving Misley's point.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:34 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Aclion wrote:

You're kind of proving Misley's point.

I think it's pretty clear from the subtext of the last sentence that the clause is being interpreted as an authorization. Otherwise the suggestion that there is "any such international body" giving authorization is nonsensical.

Regardless of what you call it repeals can only repeal legislation, so the claim that SC#181 provides anything is false.
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