[DEFEATED] Liberate Antalia

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

They've already expressed dismay on their Regional Message Board

The outrage and dismay is present in the objective of the posts, not the posts themselves.

The Riser delegate tilts its head. "There is no dismay being expressed. There is no outrage and dismay present 'in the objective of the posts'. There is only the antics of some very specially-challenged individuals who have decided to make a minor mess in a very cleanable area, and a few curious nations that have arrived to spectate; in fact, not one of the nations that have spoken on the RMB are natives. At the best, the Founder's apparent lack of action is the wisdom of patience and simply waiting for these specially-challenged individuals to become bored and move on before spending a few minutes to clean the mess. In the medium, the Founder has an accord with the 'raiders' and their occupation is consensual, hence why the Founder has both endorsed the 'raiders' and not ejected them. At the worst, the Founder is indeed indifferent as there has been no lasting complaints from the natives made to the Founder and the 'raiders' remain specially-challenged individuals by virtue of attempting to take over a Region that has an active Founder that can eject them regardless of Delegate status with the flick of a finger when finally annoyed enough."

"Unless the Founder ceases to exist and leaves the Region founderless, there is no need to liberate. As the Founder is still active, the Region is much safer in its current state than it would be if the Security Council interfered."

So, are you saying that if the Founder supports an invading force, than the region as a whole, even if the Founder Ceases to Exist, the region is under no threat as long as it's occupied by that invading force, no matter the natives' opinions with or without the Founder?

[Neo Libertalius]

The Riser delegate tilts its head. "There is no dismay being expressed. There is no outrage and dismay present 'in the objective of the posts'. There is only the antics of some very specially-challenged individuals who have decided to make a minor mess in a very cleanable area, and a few curious nations that have arrived to spectate; in fact, not one of the nations that have spoken on the RMB are natives. At the best, the Founder's apparent lack of action is the wisdom of patience and simply waiting for these specially-challenged individuals to become bored and move on before spending a few minutes to clean the mess. In the medium, the Founder has an accord with the 'raiders' and their occupation is consensual, hence why the Founder has both endorsed the 'raiders' and not ejected them. At the worst, the Founder is indeed indifferent as there has been no lasting complaints from the natives made to the Founder and the 'raiders' remain specially-challenged individuals by virtue of attempting to take over a Region that has an active Founder that can eject them regardless of Delegate status with the flick of a finger when finally annoyed enough."

"Unless the Founder ceases to exist and leaves the Region founderless, there is no need to liberate. As the Founder is still active, the Region is much safer in its current state than it would be if the Security Council interfered."

So, are you saying that if the Founder supports an invading force, than the region as a whole, even if the Founder Ceases to Exist, the region is under no threat as long as it's occupied by that invading force, no matter the natives' opinions with or without the Founder?

The region as a whole are the raiders.

[Wallenburg]

If Antalia is really now a raider region [with a tag on their WFE by Imperialist Battalions and officers from that same region], they [the natives in the region and the Founder] pretty much have no power/representation/regional culture.

How does the founder not have any power if they choose to make their region a raider region?

So, are you saying that if the Founder supports an invading force, than the region as a whole, even if the Founder Ceases to Exist, the region is under no threat as long as it's occupied by that invading force, no matter the natives' opinions with or without the Founder?

Oh, please. If the founder has CTE'd, there is no de facto founder. Hence the term founderless.

[Neo Libertalius]

If Antalia is really now a raider region [with a tag on their WFE by Imperialist Battalions and officers from that same region], they [the natives in the region and the Founder] pretty much have no power/representation/regional culture.

How does the founder not have any power if they choose to make their region a raider region?

So, are you saying that if the Founder supports an invading force, than the region as a whole, even if the Founder Ceases to Exist, the region is under no threat as long as it's occupied by that invading force, no matter the natives' opinions with or without the Founder?

Oh, please. If the founder has CTE'd, there is no de facto founder. Hence the term founderless.

The founder is also active in game. I don't see them CTEing any time soon.

[Ocaeania]

Tbh, I don't really care what this about, I just got that obnoxious telegram and had to vote in contrary to whatever it asked. Was this their plan?

[Neo Libertalius]

Tbh, I don't really care what this about, I just got that obnoxious telegram and had to vote in contrary to whatever it asked. Was this their plan?

It certainly helped. It also brought in more actual supporters to the raiders' native region.

[The Second Moon Rising]

The Riser delegate tilts its head. "There is no dismay being expressed. There is no outrage and dismay present 'in the objective of the posts'. There is only the antics of some very specially-challenged individuals who have decided to make a minor mess in a very cleanable area, and a few curious nations that have arrived to spectate; in fact, not one of the nations that have spoken on the RMB are natives. At the best, the Founder's apparent lack of action is the wisdom of patience and simply waiting for these specially-challenged individuals to become bored and move on before spending a few minutes to clean the mess. In the medium, the Founder has an accord with the 'raiders' and their occupation is consensual, hence why the Founder has both endorsed the 'raiders' and not ejected them. At the worst, the Founder is indeed indifferent as there has been no lasting complaints from the natives made to the Founder and the 'raiders' remain specially-challenged individuals by virtue of attempting to take over a Region that has an active Founder that can eject them regardless of Delegate status with the flick of a finger when finally annoyed enough."

"Unless the Founder ceases to exist and leaves the Region founderless, there is no need to liberate. As the Founder is still active, the Region is much safer in its current state than it would be if the Security Council interfered."

So, are you saying that if the Founder supports an invading force, than the region as a whole, even if the Founder Ceases to Exist, the region is under no threat as long as it's occupied by that invading force, no matter the natives' opinions with or without the Founder?

OOC: Abandoning IC for now. Apparently my English is not good enough to support longthought here.

The only nation you have used to support that this is an unwanted occupation is Gothistan, who was founded five days ago (1/10/17) in the South Pacific, who then moved to Liberationists, and then ended up in Antalia. They are NOT a native -- they only magically appeared right around the same the rest of the SC started questioning whether or not there was native support. Conversely, the only native we did hear from, The Hidden Shadows, has apparently since abandoned the initial proposal AND is now endorsing the 'invaders' (if Bloodbath even IS an invader, they seem to have been WA Delegate prior to the 'invasion'), and you yourself has made a comment that now The Hidden Shadows has an interest in the 'invasion' being successful. All the other natives don't seem to care since absolutely nothing has happened to the region besides some wannabe raiders coming in and scribbling things on a wall in chalk.

CyanX is an active nation who isn't on an undeclared hiatus, on vacation, or in danger of CTE'ing in the foreseeable future. CyanX is the Founder of Antalia. If CyanX was truly against this 'invasion', all they need to do is expel out the 'invaders' -- which is within the power of the region's Founder -- or withdraw their endorsements and get someone else back in the position of WA Delegate. Liberations only affect WA Delegate passwords, of which there are none affecting Antalia. A liberation will not take the region away from CyanX and appoint someone else as Founder, or force CyanX to start paying attention to the region raiding aspect of the game. A liberation for Antalia will do nothing. The Security Council does not need to be called in because a region's founder misplaced or has decided to not read the region founding manual/FAQ.

[Corsahnim]

"If the majority of the people support the rule of this so-called corruption, so be it. We vote against simply because Antalia may need to learn the hard way that might does not necessarily make right," ERROR, the national leader of Corsahnim, scoffs over the intercom through thoroughly hacked radio waves. "If this benefits them, then it benefits them. It's their potential mistake to make, not ours to amend."

[SYG]

From the Osiris Fraternal Order
And the office of the Vizier of World Assembly Affairs

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As Ra makes his way across the heavily sky, and the cycle of the universe continues, the people of Osiris and its prosperity of the Nile, after consulting with the community, and the gods Seshat and Ma’at, have determined to vote AGAINST the current resolution. The Pharaoh will vote according to the people, and according to Ma’at. His actions are necessary in maintaining the balance between order and chaos, truth and darkness, and Osiris will follow the Pharaoh’s direction. The government of the Osiris Fraternal Order will consider no proposal without the text meeting the requirements of Ma’at. We will continue to uphold our moral responsibilities to the people, maintaining and voting in favor of any proposals that will forward the truth and honor that is expected of all who call Osiris home. Cosmic harmony is only obtainable through expressing the will of Ma’at and the will of the Pharaoh. Although we have derived at this decision, the author of the proposal is welcome to present a case that would enlighten the Pharaoh and the community to the purpose of the proposal and perhaps change the will of the gods, the Pharaoh, and the community. If this interests you, please visit our kingdom and speak your knowledge there. All information is important, and will be presented to Seshat, the goddess of wisdom, knowledge, and writing to help direct the Pharaoh to make the right decision for the people of the fraternal order. If you have any questions about Osiris in the World Assembly, please direct them to the office of the Vizier of World Assembly Affairs by sending Syg a telegram. For more general questions regarding Osiris, please direct them to the Pharaoh, Neo Kervoskia. Thank you fellow ambassadors, and author of the current proposal at vote, for your time. Osiris, her people, and the office of the Vizier greatly appreciate your time and patience.

Best Regards,

Syg, Vizier of World Assembly Affairs

[The Atlae Isles]

George Williamsen walks in, and reads a few notes. He looks up, and says, "We vote AGAINST this resolution because there is no password on the region, therefore no need for a liberation, the fact that there is a native delegate, and therefore fails at an invasion."

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Official Statement by the High Government of DankMemes

DankMemes, and the author of the Proposal Aimdar-Goomdar, withdraws all reasons and claims for the Liberation of Antalia and hereby revokes all intention to pass the proposal. Furthermore, Aimdar-Goomdar no longer believes that Antalia is in need of Liberation and now promotes the vote of "AGAINST" for the proposal.

Additionally, DankMemes deeply apologizes for the telegrams sent out regarding the Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates (the Game Created Regions) as "Corrupt Delegates" and revokes all claims made in any campaign telegrams sent in favor of this Liberation. We hope to correct this misunderstanding between the High Government and the various Regional Governments of the GCRs and sincerely hope for better relations.

[Aculnahuacatl]

Official Statement by the High Government of DankMemes

DankMemes, and the author of the Proposal Aimdar-Goomdar, withdraws all reasons and claims for the Liberation of Antalia and hereby revokes all intention to pass the proposal. Furthermore, Aimdar-Goomdar no longer believes that Antalia is in need of Liberation and now promotes the vote of "AGAINST" for the proposal.

Additionally, DankMemes deeply apologizes for the telegrams sent out regarding the Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates (the Game Created Regions) as "Corrupt Delegates" and revokes all claims made in any campaign telegrams sent in favor of this Liberation. We hope to correct this misunderstanding between the High Government and the various Regional Governments of the GCRs and sincerely hope for better relations.

Lololol. That backtrack isn't going to work.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

Official Statement by the High Government of DankMemes

DankMemes, and the author of the Proposal Aimdar-Goomdar, withdraws all reasons and claims for the Liberation of Antalia and hereby revokes all intention to pass the proposal. Furthermore, Aimdar-Goomdar no longer believes that Antalia is in need of Liberation and now promotes the vote of "AGAINST" for the proposal.

Additionally, DankMemes deeply apologizes for the telegrams sent out regarding the Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates (the Game Created Regions) as "Corrupt Delegates" and revokes all claims made in any campaign telegrams sent in favor of this Liberation. We hope to correct this misunderstanding between the High Government and the various Regional Governments of the GCRs and sincerely hope for better relations.

Lololol. That backtrack isn't going to work.

All Campaign Telegrams regarding this proposal have been stopped immediately and telegrams will be sent out to the aforementioned Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates to apologize for the incident.

I also agree with the fact that this Liberation is unnecessary.

[Kaboomlandia]

Lololol. That backtrack isn't going to work.

All Campaign Telegrams regarding this proposal have been stopped immediately and telegrams will be sent out to the aforementioned Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates to apologize for the incident.

I also agree with the fact that this Liberation is unnecessary.

Could have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment if you listened to what we told you literally last week.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

All Campaign Telegrams regarding this proposal have been stopped immediately and telegrams will be sent out to the aforementioned Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates to apologize for the incident.

I also agree with the fact that this Liberation is unnecessary.

Could have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment if you listened to what we told you literally last week.

Sadly, yes... I came upon the same conclusion that critics kept posting about.

[Soviet Democratic Socialism]

All Campaign Telegrams regarding this proposal have been stopped immediately and telegrams will be sent out to the aforementioned Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates to apologize for the incident.

I also agree with the fact that this Liberation is unnecessary.

Could have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment if you listened to what we told you literally last week.

I'm new, can anyone tell our nation what actually did happened?

[Night Blade]

Antalia is in fact a new region, and it can be hard to start a region by yourself and get all of the "kinks" worked out. So I recommend that Antalia should not be liberated at this moment in time, but should be under close observation. In the event that the situation presents itself again, then the action of liberation can be taken.

[Kus Sikobietordia]

I don't understand why more people are not voting yes on this I feel that we have to stand up for the people of Antalia
That no government or people should get away with the peoplesay lawful selection people should have the right with no interference

[The Atlae Isles]

I don't understand why more people are not voting yes on this I feel that we have to stand up for the people of Antalia
That no government or people should get away with the peoplesay lawful selection people should have the right with no interference

Because that's not what the Security Council is for. Also, the author and the chief proponent have withdrawn their support for it. You should vote AGAINST.

Liberations can only be used so no one can put a password on a region.

[Neo Libertalius]

I don't understand why more people are not voting yes on this I feel that we have to stand up for the people of Antalia
That no government or people should get away with the people say lawful selection people should have the right with no interference

Because that's not what the Security Council is for. Also, the author and the chief proponent have withdrawn their support for it. You should vote AGAINST.

Liberations can only be used so no one can put a password on a region.

This, plus the people of Antalia were all raiders to begin with, with the exception of maybe two.

[New Nationale Einheit]

Official Statement by the High Government of DankMemes

DankMemes, and the author of the Proposal Aimdar-Goomdar, withdraws all reasons and claims for the Liberation of Antalia and hereby revokes all intention to pass the proposal. Furthermore, Aimdar-Goomdar no longer believes that Antalia is in need of Liberation and now promotes the vote of "AGAINST" for the proposal.

Additionally, DankMemes deeply apologizes for the telegrams sent out regarding the Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates (the Game Created Regions) as "Corrupt Delegates" and revokes all claims made in any campaign telegrams sent in favor of this Liberation. We hope to correct this misunderstanding between the High Government and the various Regional Governments of the GCRs and sincerely hope for better relations.

Your comments degrading certain World Assembly Delegates were angering. Insulting others to get your way is not the way to go about doing things. While your apology seems legitimate, your prior words will never be forgot.

[Freemasonator]

Official Statement by the High Government of DankMemes

DankMemes, and the author of the Proposal Aimdar-Goomdar, withdraws all reasons and claims for the Liberation of Antalia and hereby revokes all intention to pass the proposal. Furthermore, Aimdar-Goomdar no longer believes that Antalia is in need of Liberation and now promotes the vote of "AGAINST" for the proposal.

Additionally, DankMemes deeply apologizes for the telegrams sent out regarding the Delegates of the Major Regions of NationStates (the Game Created Regions) as "Corrupt Delegates" and revokes all claims made in any campaign telegrams sent in favor of this Liberation. We hope to correct this misunderstanding between the High Government and the various Regional Governments of the GCRs and sincerely hope for better relations.

ARE U MAD?? you want us to vote for and now you turn around?? I will condemn you!!!

[The Marsupial Illuminati]

The Security Council resolution "Liberate Antalia" was defeated 12,605 votes to 3,733.