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[DRAFT] Condemn BLITZKRIEG

Postby Escape from Trump » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:54 am

Since I'm not a WA member, I can't submit this. If a WA member wants to, telegram me and I'll announce who I give permission to.

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Category: Condemn

Nominee: BLITZKRIEG

Dissapointed that the Security Council has paid little to no attention to the atrocities commited by the region,

Outraged that they have not yet been condemned,

Angered by their vicious tactics; completely uprooting their victims and refounding them as trophies

Appalled that many of their invasions were fueled by anti-semitic prejudice; destroying Jewish regions such as Jewish Justice League, Wehrmacht and Judaism,

Hereby Condemns the region of BLITZKRIEG

Co-Authored by: Escape from Trump
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:33 pm

BLITZKRIEG is actually the raiding arm of Nazi Europa.
What can the submitter of this issue do to it? Are they allowed to add extra points which may make BLITZKRIEG condemn-worthy?
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Postby Escape from Trump » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:56 pm

Tinhampton wrote:BLITZKRIEG is actually the raiding arm of Nazi Europa.
What can the submitter of this issue do to it? Are they allowed to add extra points which may make BLITZKRIEG condemn-worthy?

With my approval, they can add their points.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:01 pm

Tinhampton wrote:BLITZKRIEG is actually the raiding arm of Nazi Europa.
What can the submitter of this issue do to it? Are they allowed to add extra points which may make BLITZKRIEG condemn-worthy?

Well that's going to take some work as there's not a lot of detail here. And there's possibly a R4(a) violation in the existing text.

I'll see if you can work out what it is.
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Postby Caelapes » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:05 pm

Blitzkrieg was the raiding arm of NE, but hasn't been since Woodhouse split a couple of months ago.
    
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Postby Captain Woodhouse » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:05 pm

Caelapes wrote:Blitzkrieg was the raiding arm of NE, but hasn't been since Woodhouse split a couple of months ago.


It was the administrative arm. Blitzkrieg now opposes Nazism in the game. I've been removing fascist tags and NE affiliation on my holdings as time permits. It'll take me a while to get to them all. I edited the Jewish holdings first, five days ago. I'll consider allowing them to be refounded, but I need to hear from a refounder who won't use them as a propaganda tool.

Escape from Trump wrote:Appalled at the fact that many of their invasions were fueled by neo-Nazi bigotry; destroying Jewish regions such as Jewish Justice League and Judaism


Do you know the difference between an invasion that ends in region destruction and refounding a CTE region?
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Postby Escape from Trump » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:18 pm

Captain Woodhouse wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Blitzkrieg was the raiding arm of NE, but hasn't been since Woodhouse split a couple of months ago.


It was the administrative arm. Blitzkrieg now opposes Nazism in the game. I've been removing fascist tags and NE affiliation on my holdings as time permits. It'll take me a while to get to them all. I edited the Jewish holdings first, five days ago. I'll consider allowing them to be refounded, but I need to hear from a refounder who won't use them as a propaganda tool.

Escape from Trump wrote:Appalled at the fact that many of their invasions were fueled by neo-Nazi bigotry; destroying Jewish regions such as Jewish Justice League and Judaism


Do you know the difference between an invasion that ends in region destruction and refounding a CTE region?

Refounding is considered condemnable. Heck, condemning someone simply for tag raiding is technically legal. Also, you are destroying regions by making them CTE and then refounding them (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Postby Fake Korea » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:37 pm

I support this.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:57 am

Captain Woodhouse wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Blitzkrieg was the raiding arm of NE, but hasn't been since Woodhouse split a couple of months ago.


It was the administrative arm. Blitzkrieg now opposes Nazism in the game. I've been removing fascist tags and NE affiliation on my holdings as time permits. It'll take me a while to get to them all. I edited the Jewish holdings first, five days ago. I'll consider allowing them to be refounded, but I need to hear from a refounder who won't use them as a propaganda tool.

Escape from Trump wrote:Appalled at the fact that many of their invasions were fueled by neo-Nazi bigotry; destroying Jewish regions such as Jewish Justice League and Judaism


Do you know the difference between an invasion that ends in region destruction and refounding a CTE region?

Psht, Woodhouse, let's take this opportunity.
We can get a raider's badge of honour before we even start raiding. That would be a nice feat.
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Postby Grezantime » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:23 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:BLITZKRIEG is actually the raiding arm of Nazi Europa.
What can the submitter of this issue do to it? Are they allowed to add extra points which may make BLITZKRIEG condemn-worthy?

Well that's going to take some work as there's not a lot of detail here. And there's possibly a R4(a) violation in the existing text.

I'll see if you can work out what it is.

You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates. Just to clarify the rule a tad more.
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Postby Escape from Trump » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:32 pm

Grezantime wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Well that's going to take some work as there's not a lot of detail here. And there's possibly a R4(a) violation in the existing text.

I'll see if you can work out what it is.

You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates. Just to clarify the rule a tad more.

Where did I reference the real world?
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Postby Grezantime » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:58 pm

Escape from Trump wrote:
Grezantime wrote:You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates. Just to clarify the rule a tad more.

Where did I reference the real world?

Going to have to ask Bhang Bhang Duc on that one.
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Postby Escape from Trump » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:46 pm

Grezantime wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:Where did I reference the real world?

Going to have to ask Bhang Bhang Duc on that one.

So where did I reference the real world, Bahng Bahng Duc?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:06 am

Escape from Trump wrote:
Grezantime wrote:Going to have to ask Bhang Bhang Duc on that one.

So where did I reference the real world, Bahng Bahng Duc?

Read the rules have we? No? Quelle surprise.

I'll make it easier for you then.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 2#p4160372

While I don't mind supporting Condemnations for raider groups, especially if they're well written, I will not support giving any Nazi region a nice shiny badge. If, by some miracle, this gets to vote I will be whispering in my Delegate's ear to stomp early and stomp against.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:25 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:So where did I reference the real world, Bahng Bahng Duc?

Read the rules have we? No? Quelle surprise.

I'll make it easier for you then.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 2#p4160372

While I don't mind supporting Condemnations for raider groups, especially if they're well written, I will not support giving any Nazi region a nice shiny badge. If, by some miracle, this gets to vote I will be whispering in my Delegate's ear to stomp early and stomp against.

What N### region are you talking about?
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Postby Escape from Trump » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:46 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:So where did I reference the real world, Bahng Bahng Duc?

Read the rules have we? No? Quelle surprise.

I'll make it easier for you then.

viewtopic.php?p=4160372#p4160372

While I don't mind supporting Condemnations for raider groups, especially if they're well written, I will not support giving any Nazi region a nice shiny badge. If, by some miracle, this gets to vote I will be whispering in my Delegate's ear to stomp early and stomp against.

I explain what neo-nazism is in NationStates: invading Jewish regions just because they're Jewish.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:15 am

Escape from Trump wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Read the rules have we? No? Quelle surprise.

I'll make it easier for you then.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 2#p4160372

While I don't mind supporting Condemnations for raider groups, especially if they're well written, I will not support giving any Nazi region a nice shiny badge. If, by some miracle, this gets to vote I will be whispering in my Delegate's ear to stomp early and stomp against.

I explain what neo-nazism is in NationStates: invading Jewish regions just because they're Jewish.

No, not really.

Anyway why am I bothering to continue to critique this draft? You're not going to submit it, you're not going to bear the risk of submitting an illegal proposal. You're going to try and get some other poor sap to do your dirty work.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Escape from Trump » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:52 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:I explain what neo-nazism is in NationStates: invading Jewish regions just because they're Jewish.

No, not really.

Anyway why am I bothering to continue to critique this draft? You're not going to submit it, you're not going to bear the risk of submitting an illegal proposal. You're going to try and get some other poor sap to do your dirty work.

That's not why I'm doing it. You don't have to believe me, and I see why you wouldn't; you have no reason to believe me, but I'm telling you it's because I just don't want to be a WA member. Also, I'll still be the co-author of an "illegal proposal".

Anyway, why is that an invalid explanation of what neo-nazism is in NationStates?
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:12 pm

Escape from Trump wrote:Since I'm not a WA member, I can't submit this. If a WA member wants to, telegram me and I'll announce who I give permission to.

Lol, this can only end well.
Disappointed that the Security Council has paid little to no attention to the atrocities committed by this region,

"Dissapointed" should be "disappointed". "Commited" should be "committed". The SC has an unwritten rule that we do not give any attention to fascist regions, which is why they have not been condemned. Lastly, there is inconsistent ending punctuation throughout the proposal, so I'm going to tidy it up with some pretty little commas.
Outraged by the fact that they have not yet been condemned,

I already explained this.
Angered by their vicious tactics; completely uprooting their victims and refounding them as trophies,

Appalled by the fact that many of their invasions are fueled by neo-Nazi prejudice; destroying Jewish regions such as Jewish Justice League and Judaism,

Referring to their actions in the present tense rather than the past tense adds a sense of urgency that is desperately needed to counter balance the lack of factual information presented. BBD has already explained the R4d thing, so I won't bother. I think it could be considered R4c compliant as it is, but I also think a mod could disagree about it. Some advice on it would be to change "neo-Nazi" to "antisemitic", because moderation has ruled that religions are the exception to the real-world reference ban.
Hereby Condemns the region of BLITZKRIEG for their griefing and their bigotry.

R4c violation in red (or R2c if we feel like changing things up from the usual parade of R4 violations).
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Postby Svarttjern » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:43 pm

Hate to break it to you OP, but Blitzkrieg is an RP region, no real point in a condemnation there.

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Postby Escape from Trump » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:46 pm

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
Escape from Trump wrote:Since I'm not a WA member, I can't submit this. If a WA member wants to, telegram me and I'll announce who I give permission to.

Lol, this can only end well.
Disappointed that the Security Council has paid little to no attention to the atrocities committed by this region,

"Dissapointed" should be "disappointed". "Commited" should be "committed". The SC has an unwritten rule that we do not give any attention to fascist regions, which is why they have not been condemned. Lastly, there is inconsistent ending punctuation throughout the proposal, so I'm going to tidy it up with some pretty little commas.
Outraged by the fact that they have not yet been condemned,

I already explained this.
Angered by their vicious tactics; completely uprooting their victims and refounding them as trophies,

Appalled by the fact that many of their invasions are fueled by neo-Nazi prejudice; destroying Jewish regions such as Jewish Justice League and Judaism,

Referring to their actions in the present tense rather than the past tense adds a sense of urgency that is desperately needed to counter balance the lack of factual information presented. BBD has already explained the R4d thing, so I won't bother. I think it could be considered R4c compliant as it is, but I also think a mod could disagree about it. Some advice on it would be to change "neo-Nazi" to "antisemitic", because moderation has ruled that religions are the exception to the real-world reference ban.
Hereby Condemns the region of BLITZKRIEG for their griefing and their bigotry.

R4c violation in red (or R2c if we feel like changing things up from the usual parade of R4 violations).

Changes made.
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Postby Escape from Trump » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:48 pm

Svarttjern wrote:Hate to break it to you OP, but Blitzkrieg is an RP region, no real point in a condemnation there.

They are also invaders, as explained in the draft Besides, people have been condemned for RIng as bad guys.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:53 am

Das ist gut.
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Postby Crazy girl » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:45 am

I spy a typo.....

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:07 am

Crazy girl wrote:I spy a typo.....

"anti-srmitic"?
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