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Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:39 am**

On Commendations and Condemnations

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Let's begin with the three arguments for C&Cs listed by Sedgistan in the Guide to the Security Council:

The Security Council should recognise those whose actions align with the principles of the World Assembly.
The Security Council should acknowledge those who have a significant/unique impact on NationStates.
The nominee’s actions need to be immortalized for future generations to learn from.

Such criteria is general, and therefore, other reasons and specifics are needed:

Reasons Why Nations/Regions Were Commended In the Past

Reason for Commendation	Commendations
Leadership in Regional or Organizational Government/Region and Community Building	Kandarin Goobergunchia Todd McCloud Sedgistan The Joint Systems Alliance 10000 Islands (SC #30) Ananke II Texas (SC #40) Crazy girl Northern Chittowa Fudgetopia Mikeswill Wysteria Ballotonia Naivetry Unibot II A mean old man Warzone Codger Topid Krulltopia A Slanted Black Stripe Mousebumples Luna Amore (SC #123) The Bruce Sanctaria Harmoneia Eluvatar NewTexas Abacathea Anime Daisuki 1 Infinite Loop Hobbesistan Astarial McMasterdonia Improving Wordiness TAO the Watcher Westwind Evil Wolf Luna Amore (SC #170) Forever Fields Renegade Islands Alliance Sciongrad Flemingovia Dyr Nasad Hell Renaissancistic People Forest Yggdrasil Imperium Anglorum Drasnia August Wopruthien Zwangzug Europeia Ransium The Macabees Tsunamy The MT Army Texas (SC #242)
Defending	10000 Islands (SC #5) Goobergunchia 10000 Islands (SC #30) Todd McCloud Sedgistan Ananke II Texas (SC #40) Crazy girl Northern Chittowa Ballotonia Naivetry Unibot II The Bruce Harmoneia Eluvatar NewTexas Anime Daisuki Hobbesistan Astarial Improving Wordiness Westwind Renegade Islands Alliance The Red Fleet Dyr Nasad Yggdrasil August Wopruthien Zwangzug Texas (SC #242) Wintony
Raiding	Todd McCloud The Skeleton Army Evil Wolf The Red Fleet August Europeia The MT Army
Role-Playing	Todd McCloud Antarctic Oasis The Joint Systems Alliance Bergnovinaia Starblaydia Commerce Heights Lamoni Bears Armed Yohannes Separatist Peoples Forest Yggdrasil Zwangzug The Macabees Alasdair I Frosticus
NS Stats	Fudgetopia Wysteria SkyDip Luna Amore (SC #123) Bears Armed Forest Ransium
Being Delegate for an Extended Period of Time	Fudgetopia Mikeswill Warzone Codger Krulltopia McMasterdonia Westwind Renaissancistic People Ransium Tsunamy
UN/WA Authorship/Drafting/Campaigning	Goobergunchia Todd McCloud Sedgistan Antarctic Oasis Sionis Prioratus Bergnovinaia Texas (SC #40) The Cat-Tribe Glen-Rhodes A mean old man Unibot II Topid SkyDip Mousebumples Luna Amore (SC #123) Bears Armed Sanctaria Abacathea Anime Daisuki McMasterdonia Luna Amore (SC #170) Forever Fields Sciongrad Separatist Peoples Renaissancistic People Forest Yggdrasil Imperium Anglorum Europeia Ransium Texas (SC #242)
Issues Authorship/Drafting	Sanctaria Nation of Quebec Forest Drasnia Zwangzug Candlewhisper Archive Ransium
Compiling or Discovering Information/Creating Wikis	Goobergunchia Todd McCloud Ballotonia Luna Amore (SC #123) The Bruce Renaissancistic People Imperium Anglorum Drasnia Zwangzug Europeia The Macabees
Creating Flags	Imagey Nation Tiago Silva
Travelling Between Regions	The Quote of the Day Travelling Region The Featured Region Followers
Scholarly Works	Unibot II Mousebumples Renaissancistic People Europeia The Macabees
Excelling in NS-Wide Events	The NationStates Community August
Creation of Tools	Eluvatar Texas (SC #40) Commerce Heights Glen-Rhodes NewTexas Hobbesistan Renegade Islands Alliance Imperium Anglorum Europeia
Composing Poetry	Haiku
Excellent Debater in the GA	The Cat-Tribe Glen-Rhodes
Translating Mottoes Into Latin	Naivetry
Creating Gameplay Ideologies/Philosophies	Renaissancistic People Europeia
Excellent Debater in the General Forum	The Cat-Tribe Alasdair I Frosticus

Reasons Why Nations/Regions Were Condemned In the Past

Reason for Condemnation	Condemnations
Raiding/Griefing/Couping/Region Destruction	Macedon Durkadurkiranistan II NAZI EUROPE (SC #37) The Black Hawks (SC #52) The Greater German Reich Lone Wolves United The Black Riders (SC #91) Yauna Jakker Aglrinia Mallorea and Riva Gest The Black Riders (SC #127) The Dourian Embassy North Korea General Halcones Stujenske The Pacific DEN (SC #187) Vandoosa DEN (SC #192) Kknight The Black Hawks (SC #217) Canterlot Reventus Koth
Hateful Regional Ideology	Macedon NAZI EUROPE (SC #3) NAZI EUROPE (SC #37) North Korea
Forum Destruction	Unknown Allied States of EuroIslanders
Passing/Repealing GA Legislation	The Dourian Embassy Wrapper
Role-Playing as an Evil Nation	Omigodtheykilledkenny Greater Tezdrian Great Nepal Der Fuhrer Dyszel NAZI EUROPE (SC #37) Kalasparata Swarmlandia Blackhelm Confederacy The Kraven Corporation Milograd (SC #77) Anthony Delasanta Automagfreek Milograd (SC #97) Ralkovia Hippostania Aglrinia Wrapper
Violating GA Legislation	Omigodtheykilledkenny Greater Tezdrian Great Nepal Anthony Delasanta Hippostania
Horrible Leadership of a Region	Durkadurkiranistan II Sedgistan Punk Reloaded Thatcherton Anthony Delasanta The Dourian Embassy North Korea Stujenske The Pacific Vandoosa Reventus Koth Wrapper
Gaming/Improperly Using the SC	NAZI EUROPE (SC #37) The Black Hawks (SC #52) The Dourian Embassy The Black Hawks (SC #217)
Being a Puppet Storage Region	Ninja Pirate awesome town True North
Creation of Tools	The Black Riders (SC #127)
Region Composed of Condemned Entities	DEN (SC #187) The Black Hawks (SC #217)
Creating Events	The Black Hawks (SC #217)

Above is every single C&C categorized under an argument. Many C&Cs are listed under multiple arguments. Note that some resolutions here were repealed, proven false, would be illegal today, or are no longer considered to be commendable/condemnatory.

The purpose of this dispatch is to provide a reference with which nations participating in the SC can use to see what arguments have been used to justify a C&C, or to see what precedent is there for a particular argument in a C&C. I hope nations with questions such as "Can role-players be condemned?" or "Is this even condemnatory?" will have their questions answered after reading this reference on passed C&Cs. This is not to say that standards for a C&C should be set low, rather that they should not be ridiculously-high-that-no-one-has-been-condemned-or-commended-in-months high. This historical context should show that C&Cs are deserved by players today.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:12 am**

Very helpful thread. It's now linked to from the Guide sticky.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:15 am**

Great list!

Just a point though, you mentioned 10KI island as a condemned "Impressive Issues Player" while linking a commendation.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:15 am**

I believe Commerce Heights should also be listed under "Creation of Tools" as well since his Commendation includes his creation of NSEconomy and xkoranate, two widely-used tools.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:23 am**

What happens to a particular nation or region if it is condemned or commended?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:24 am**

Sedgistan wrote:Very helpful thread. It's now linked to from the Guide sticky.

Brunhizzle wrote:Great list!

Just a point though, you mentioned 10KI island as a condemned "Impressive Issues Player" while linking a commendation.

Thank you, and fixed.

Drawkland wrote:I believe Commerce Heights should also be listed under "Creation of Tools" as well since his Commendation includes his creation of NSEconomy and xkoranate, two widely-used tools.

I missed that, thanks. It's fixed now.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:03 am**

Nice job!

If you don't mind a miniscule bit of nitpicking from an uncredited co-author, Separatist Peoples' commendation, while focusing on WA authorship, included three paragraphs on his RP in the Strangers' Bar, so it should probably be listed under RP as well.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:42 am**

Wrapper wrote:Nice job!

If you don't mind a miniscule bit of nitpicking from an uncredited co-author, Separatist Peoples' commendation, while focusing on WA authorship, included three paragraphs on his RP in the Strangers' Bar, so it should probably be listed under RP as well.

Thanks. Separatist Peoples' commendation is now listed under role-play.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:06 am**

For as long as the OP is here, will this list be updated with each new justification for receiving a badge?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:54 am**

Tinhampton wrote:For as long as the OP is here, will this list be updated with each new justification for receiving a badge?

Yes, this list will be updated, as it is a reference for all future C&C proposals. If a passed C&C resolution were to have a unique argument not yet listed in this reference, then the added resolution will be listed under a new catergory.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:08 am**

Excellent piece of work, thank you.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:21 am**

Any odds of this being expanded with why commendations/condemnations have been repealed? a quick looks shows between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 of those have been repealed (with condemns having a high rate than commends). Be interesting to also break down repeals, and maybe even look then at what the condemnations/commendations that have lasted have in common compared to those who have been repealed.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:25 am**

This is really cool, thanks for making this thread.

In the future, is there any possibility that you will be doing Liberations and Repeals as well?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:43 am**

Horrible Leadership of a Region (Sedgistan, Punk Reloaded, Thatcherton, Anthony Delasanta, The Dourian Embassy, Stujenske, The Pacific)

Bolding and underlining is my own.

*Shots fired*

Might I suggest, as I am a member of the Pacific, that you re-read that condemnation there. It was issued more due to hatred of Pacifican leadership and the Lazarus affair, which better means that condemnation should be under raiding/briefing/coupling, rather than 'horrible leadership.'

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:58 pm**

DrWinner wrote:
Horrible Leadership of a Region (Sedgistan, Punk Reloaded, Thatcherton, Anthony Delasanta, The Dourian Embassy, Stujenske, The Pacific)

Bolding and underlining is my own.

*Shots fired*

Might I suggest, as I am a member of the Pacific, that you re-read that condemnation there. It was issued more due to hatred of Pacifican leadership and the Lazarus affair, which better means that condemnation should be under raiding/briefing/coupling, rather than 'horrible leadership.'

I agree. The Pacific was mainly condemned for Lazarus back then. - Bringing TP into the category of being condemned because of "Horrible Leadership" is not only not correct in a factual way, but also rather insulting and disappointing. The SC resolution was even repealed because it contained factual errors regarding the Pacific itself.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:00 pm**

Horrible Leadership of a Region (Sedgistan, Punk Reloaded, Thatcherton, Anthony Delasanta, The Dourian Embassy, Stujenske, The Pacific)

Usually, regions with horrible leadership do not enjoy stable government with a happy native population for thirteen and more years. :roll:

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:17 pm**

.................... My suggestion to whoever wrote this post please fact check next time this white washing and slandering a region im happy to be in is not needed you should really be ashamed of yourself for that

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:44 pm**

Guys, guys, let's chill for a minute. The OOC reason that TP was condemned was for the coup in Lazarus, and I agree with you that it should be moved, but just by analyzing the text you can see where TMI is coming from. IC the main argument for the condemnation was that the NPO was doing a poor job of running TP. TMI isn't passing judgement on TP, he read the resolution and interpreted its arguments. Honestly, it's kind of funny how personal you guys are making this.

SC #177 was a piece of legislature that was meant to be a criticism of the NPO, the "Leadership of [the] Region". Only a single clause mentioned Lazarus, and only 4 clauses were explicitly about coups or raids. SC #177 differed from most other coup/raid related condemnations in that instead of just saying "The Pacific is bad because they couped Lazarus..." it said "The Pacific is run by the NPO, and the NPO is bad because it decided to coup Lazarus..." Get it? According to the text of the resolution, The Pacific wasn't bad, it's leadership was.

And just a reminder, none of this is my opinion of TP or the NPO. It was the opinion of the WA (before the repeal), based on the text of the Condemnation. If you need a tl;dr of what my argument in this post was, it is basically that last sentence.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:24 am**

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Excellent piece of work, thank you.

We Are Not the NSA wrote:This is really cool, thanks for making this thread.

Thank you for the kind words.

We Are Not the NSA wrote:In the future, is there any possibility that you will be doing Liberations and Repeals as well?

The main purpose of this thread is to show players the historical precedence for the various arguments in C&Cs. However, I will do a list about Repeals of C&Cs in the future due to popular demand. As for Liberations, that is less likely as I have less interest in those resolutions.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Any odds of this being expanded with why commendations/condemnations have been repealed? a quick looks shows between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 of those have been repealed (with condemns having a high rate than commends). Be interesting to also break down repeals, and maybe even look then at what the condemnations/commendations that have lasted have in common compared to those who have been repealed.

Regarding repeals, I will get around to them as soon as I finish organizing the OP. There are still some distinctions that I need to make clear before I start working on a new thread.

DrWinner wrote:
Horrible Leadership of a Region (Sedgistan, Punk Reloaded, Thatcherton, Anthony Delasanta, The Dourian Embassy, Stujenske, The Pacific)

Bolding and underlining is my own.

*Shots fired*

Might I suggest, as I am a member of the Pacific, that you re-read that condemnation there. It was issued more due to hatred of Pacifican leadership and the Lazarus affair, which better means that condemnation should be under raiding/briefing/coupling, rather than 'horrible leadership.'

The Pacific's Condemnation is listed under both "Raiding/Greifing/Couping" and "Horrible Leadership." This thread only concerns the text and arguments of C&Cs, not the context surrounding them. The Pacific's Condemnation touched on the "dictatorship and tyranny" of the NPO's leadership, and that is why it is listed under "Horrible Leadership."

Pergamon wrote:I agree. The Pacific was mainly condemned for Lazarus back then. - Bringing TP into the category of being condemned because of "Horrible Leadership" is not only not correct in a factual way, but also rather insulting and disappointing. The SC resolution was even repealed because it contained factual errors regarding the Pacific itself.

Lynopia wrote:Usually, regions with horrible leadership do not enjoy stable government with a happy native population for thirteen and more years.

I should mention that the category "Horrible Leadership of a Region" refers to both incompetent leadership and tyrannical leadership. "Horrible" is just a word that fits both meanings, and it is not meant to belittle or insult anyone listed under that category. I am simply organizing each C&C under its relevant arguments. I tried to do this impartially and without bias to the best of my ability. The categories of each C&C were not fabricated in my imagination; they originate from the text of each resolution. According to the Pacific's Condemnation, the NPO has "imposed dictatorship and tyranny on the native population of The Pacific." This is an example of a Condemnation using tyrannical leadership of a region as an argument for why a nominee should be condemned. Therefore, TP's Condemnation is listed under "Horrible Leadership." Again, this has nothing to do with my personal opinion; it is in the text of the resolution.

Also, as I said myself in the OP, "Note that some resolutions here were repealed, proven false, would be illegal today, or are no longer considered to be commendable/condemnatory." Therefore, I am not declaring that whatever is said in a resolution is true. The Pacific's Condemnation may have been proven false in some areas and subsequently repealed, but that does not changed the text and arguments of the Condemnation itself. The Condemnation was still passed in the past, and therefore will be recorded in this thread.

We Are Not the NSA wrote:Guys, guys, let's chill for a minute. The OOC reason that TP was condemned was for the coup in Lazarus, and I agree with you that it should be moved, but just by analyzing the text you can see where TMI is coming from. IC the main argument for the condemnation was that the NPO was doing a poor job of running TP. TMI isn't passing judgement on TP, he read the resolution and interpreted its arguments. Honestly, it's kind of funny how personal you guys are making this.

SC #177 was a piece of legislature that was meant to be a criticism of the NPO, the "Leadership of [the] Region". Only a single clause mentioned Lazarus, and only 4 clauses were explicitly about coups or raids. SC #177 differed from most other coup/raid related condemnations in that instead of just saying "The Pacific is bad because they couped Lazarus..." it said "The Pacific is run by the NPO, and the NPO is bad because it decided to coup Lazarus..." Get it? According to the text of the resolution, The Pacific wasn't bad, it's leadership was.

And just a reminder, none of this is my opinion of TP or the NPO. It was the opinion of the WA (before the repeal), based on the text of the Condemnation. If you need a tl;dr of what my argument in this post was, it is basically that last sentence.

This is an accurate description of how I categorized each C&C. OOC context doesn't matter; it is only the text and arguments of a C&C that concern me.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:32 am**

RP was a factor in Bears Armed's commendation, although only quite briefly mentioned in the actual text, as well.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:29 am**

Bears Armed wrote:RP was a factor in Bears Armed's commendation, although only quite briefly mentioned in the actual text, as well.

Fixed.

Posted: **Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:58 pm**

This is a great list - thanks for compiling it!

Posted: **Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:13 pm**

A nice guide!

My only complaint is that you misspelled my name

(twice ;_;) - there is only one "s" in Nasad.

Posted: **Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:21 am**

Todd McCloud wrote:This is a great list - thanks for compiling it!

Thank you.

Alustrian wrote:A nice guide!

My only complaint is that you misspelled my name (twice ;_;) - there is only one "s" in Nasad.

Sorry about that. It has been fixed.