[SUBMITTED] Repeal "Liberate Dank Memes"

[Kaboomlandia]

Repeal "Liberate Dank Memes"

Category: Repeal | Target: SC #205 | Proposed By: Kaboomlandia

The Security Council,

Understanding the goal of SC #205, which was to prevent the lockdown of Dank memes after an invasion and occupation by HYDRA Command;

Knowing that the author of SC #205, [nation=short]La Navasse[/nation], did acknowledge a series of errors that led to the occupation, but neglects to elaborate on these "mishaps" despite mentioning them in two of six clauses;

Understanding that the author's self-stated "careless mishaps" including causing unwelcome disruptions in the communication areas of both HYDRA Command and The Grey Wardens;

Recognizing that despite explicit instructions not to, from several involved defenders, the regional government of Dank Memes attempted to purge its own native population the day before the HYDRA Command invasion, opening itself up to an invasion;

Discerning that besides this, there were several long term strategic errors that the former government of Dank Memes made, which were the cause of the initial invasion, however cognizant that it is the actions of the government in exile that are the most important to emphasize;

Revealing that in the initial hours after the invasion, the former government of Dank Memes sought help from The Order of The Grey Wardens, the defenders who had previously been assisting it;

Shocked that when the Grey Wardens criticized the former government’s refusal to follow their instructions, the government in exile responded with attacks on the Wardens’ primary communications array, putting the Wardens in a momentary state of discord;

Outraged that in addition to committing this attack on their own defender allies, the former government of Dank Memes also leaked an upcoming defense mission led by the Grey Wardens, dashing the hopes that another region had of being freed from raider control by the Wardens;

Distraught that none of this was mentioned in the original resolution;

Noting that this liberation will serve no purpose, as Dank memes was refounded by a third-party aggressor and immediately locked down by the founder, rendering the liberation useless;

Believing that the liberation of Dank memes is undeserved and an inaccurate representation of the current operation;

Hereby repeals SC #205, "Liberate Dank memes".

Co-authored by [nation=short]We Are Not The NSA[/nation].

EDIT: Beefed it up with help from NSA.

[proposal=https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=kaboomlandia_1480095925]APPROVE HERE![/proposal]

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Couple of possible changes Kaboom.

Understanding the goal of SC #205, which was to prevent the lockdown of Dank memes, following an invasion by HYDRA Command,

including barging into the communication areas of both HYDRA Command and The Grey Wardens, as well as leaking one of The Grey Wardens' operations,

Can't think of anything else at this time.

[Altmoras]

You linked the wrong grey warden region. The Order of the Grey Wardens is the correct one.

[Sovereign United States]

While I agree that the current proposal before the SC to liberate this region is an unacceptable measure which should be withstood in light of the very relevant and appropriate points you have mentioned, it does bear mentioning that, at present, 3/4ths of the current vote has been in favor of passage. In light of the unfortunately overwhelming support for the present resolution, what is the rationale behind a repeal proposal? Would it not be more advantageous to wait until after the current proposal has passed, the intention of said resolution fails and it is overwhelmingly obvious to the international community that it was a fools errand in the first place before going forward with a repeal proposal?

Regardless, I feel confident in speaking for the Kingdom of Great Britain that His Majesty's Government is entirely in opposition to this measure inasmuch as it has been the policy of the region to always and consistently stand in opposition to liberation proposals and resolutions. Please know that, going forward, this proposal shall have my full support.

[Kaboomlandia]

While I agree that the current proposal before the SC to liberate this region is an unacceptable measure which should be withstood in light of the very relevant and appropriate points you have mentioned, it does bear mentioning that, at present, 3/4ths of the current vote has been in favor of passage. In light of the unfortunately overwhelming support for the present resolution, what is the rationale behind a repeal proposal? Would it not be more advantageous to wait until after the current proposal has passed, the intention of said resolution fails and it is overwhelmingly obvious to the international community that it was a fools errand in the first place before going forward with a repeal proposal?

Regardless, I feel confident in speaking for the Kingdom of Great Britain that His Majesty's Government is entirely in opposition to this measure inasmuch as it has been the policy of the region to always and consistently stand in opposition to liberation proposals and resolutions. Please know that, going forward, this proposal shall have my full support.

I should probably mention that I wrote the original draft of SC #204, which was essentially a similar situation to this - region got liberated that didn't deserve to get one because the founder ordered the natives to abandon the region right away and then went crying to the SC to liberate the region.

Also, this liberation is entirely symbolic and since HYDRA doesn't even plan to put in a password, there's no need keeping this liberation on.

[Sedgistan]

A nation (even an NS one) barging into communication areas still sounds problematic, Rule 4-wise. You could try something like "causing unwelcome disruption to the communications of..."

[Dream Killers]

It should be noted that the previous delegate of Dank Memes, La Navasse, was also banned from the Lone Wolves United Discord server for excessive advertising, spam, and refusal to answer simple questions aimed at applying the appropriate masking through private messages. To be clear, this was a momentary issue and is only being stated for the record.

[Kaboomlandia]

A nation (even an NS one) barging into communication areas still sounds problematic, Rule 4-wise. You could try something like "causing unwelcome disruption to the communications of..."

That does sound better. I changed it to something along those lines.

[Sovereign United States]

I should probably mention that I wrote the original draft of SC #204, which was essentially a similar situation to this - region got liberated that didn't deserve to get one because the founder ordered the natives to abandon the region right away and then went crying to the SC to liberate the region.

Also, this liberation is entirely symbolic and since HYDRA doesn't even plan to put in a password, there's no need keeping this liberation on.

I don't disagree with you in the least. I was just curious about the timing of it and whether or not you felt it would have adequate support so so after the passage of a liberation resolution. Even within our region, which was involved in the operations in Dank Memes, I've had great difficulty whipping our WA member states into line in opposing the current resolution. For me, it would be easier to convince them of the foolishness of this liberation if there was time for the liberation to fail entirely. Regardless, as I said before, I support your actions with this resolution and hope it will pass.

[We Are Not the NSA]

A nation (even an NS one) barging into communication areas still sounds problematic, Rule 4-wise. You could try something like "causing unwelcome disruption to the communications of..."

That does sound better. I changed it to something along those lines.

Hey K, I wrote a repeal for later (I was bored this week), and I found a pretty good way of saying it that I think was R4 compliant. I'll send it to you via telegram.

Edit: additionally, the lack region tags around HYDRA Command upsets me.

[Kaboomlandia]

Second draft up, with a little help from NSA.

[Praeceps]

Knowing that the author of SC #205, [nation=short]La Navasse[/nation], did acknowledge a series of errors that led to the occupation, but neglects to elaborate on these "mishaps" despite mentioning them in two of six clauses;

The nation link is broken here.

Shocked that when the Grey Wardens criticized the former government’s refusal to follow their instructions, the government in exile responded with attacks on the Wardens’ primary communications array, causing an influx of messages, and putting the Wardens in a momentary state of Discord disarray;

I believe you were meant to have something similar to disarray? Would explain the array floating around (and I don't think that array works there). Unless you accidentally capitalized discord. Regardless, I believe disarray would fit better.

[Kaboomlandia]

Knowing that the author of SC #205, [nation=short]La Navasse[/nation], did acknowledge a series of errors that led to the occupation, but neglects to elaborate on these "mishaps" despite mentioning them in two of six clauses;

The nation link is broken here.

It's supposed to be; that's so it won't display the pre-title when I copy-paste it into the submissions box.

Shocked that when the Grey Wardens criticized the former government’s refusal to follow their instructions, the government in exile responded with attacks on the Wardens’ primary communications array, causing an influx of messages, and putting the Wardens in a momentary state of Discord disarray;

I believe you were meant to have something similar to disarray? Would explain the array floating around (and I don't think that array works there). Unless you accidentally capitalized discord. Regardless, I believe disarray would fit better.

NSA wrote that part, so I'll leave it to him to confirm, but I am fairly certain that's intentional. Discord is a text-message system that many regions are moving to from Skype.

[We Are Not the NSA]

The nation link is broken here.

It's supposed to be; that's so it won't display the pre-title when I copy-paste it into the submissions box.

I believe you were meant to have something similar to disarray? Would explain the array floating around (and I don't think that array works there). Unless you accidentally capitalized discord. Regardless, I believe disarray would fit better.

NSA wrote that part, so I'll leave it to him to confirm, but I am fairly certain that's intentional. Discord is a text-message system that many regions are moving to from Skype.

Can confirm, the use of the word "discord" was intentional. It was the place where La Navasse spammed.

[Praeceps]

It's supposed to be; that's so it won't display the pre-title when I copy-paste it into the submissions box.

NSA wrote that part, so I'll leave it to him to confirm, but I am fairly certain that's intentional. Discord is a text-message system that many regions are moving to from Skype.

Can confirm, the use of the word "discord" was intentional. It was the place where La Navasse spammed.

I was on the server at that time. Perhaps it's just me but the sentence doesn't make sense (although I understand what you're trying to say).

[Lord Ravenclaw]

The nation link is broken here.

It's supposed to be; that's so it won't display the pre-title when I copy-paste it into the submissions box.

I believe you were meant to have something similar to disarray? Would explain the array floating around (and I don't think that array works there). Unless you accidentally capitalized discord. Regardless, I believe disarray would fit better.

NSA wrote that part, so I'll leave it to him to confirm, but I am fairly certain that's intentional. Discord is a text-message system that many regions are moving to from Skype.

[I seen Discord mentioned, and I think that as the person who kinda started that trend in mainstream NS I should talk a bit about Discord to add some context:]

Discord is far more than a text-messaging system. It is an integrated text-voice client used by various gaming services/guilds/clans from Final Fantasy XIV, to The Elder Scrolls Online, To Guild Wars 2 to Minecraft to Pokemon, etc. Unlike Skype it requires no information that could identify you elsewhere on the web and is also neatly organised with a hierarchy of groups and channels to make identification and organisation easier.

(The oldest server is Kingdom of Alexandria, with tSP, TNP and Albion not far behind. I think TNP or tSP has the largest server with around 250 members a piece, KoA is up passed 200 as well. Far larger than your averageSkype or IRC room as well.)

[Retreats back to his perch]

[We Are Not the NSA]

Can confirm, the use of the word "discord" was intentional. It was the place where La Navasse spammed.

I was on the server at that time. Perhaps it's just me but the sentence doesn't make sense (although I understand what you're trying to say).

I'm fairly certain that I used the correctly, and I couldn't resist making the pun, so until I get a source saying that it is out of place, it'll stay. The sentence itself could use some revision though. Would removing "causing an influx of messages, and" make the sentences clearer for you?

[Sovereign United States]

In my opinion, the pun is lost to what appears more like a typographical error and would be better if rephrased for the sake of clarity.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I was on the server at that time. Perhaps it's just me but the sentence doesn't make sense (although I understand what you're trying to say).

I'm fairly certain that I used the correctly, and I couldn't resist making the pun, so until I get a source saying that it is out of place, it'll stay. The sentence itself could use some revision though. Would removing "causing an influx of messages, and" make the sentences clearer for you?

Personally I'd lose the "causing an influx of messages' phrase, doesn't really add anything. I do like the pun with discord though.

[Sedgistan]

Speaking non-modly, the pun still works as "discord" rather than "Discord" and looks less like an error to those that don't get it.

[Kaboomlandia]

Both suggestions implemented.

I'm not in any hurry to submit this - it's unlikely any defender org that hasn't explicitly said they won't help can scrounge up three dozen updaters to get this region, and I'm too busy in RL to run a campaign.

[Wordy]

Is it still even needed? The region was jacked during refound attempt. There is no badge currently on the region.

[Flanderlion]

Is it still even needed? The region was jacked during refound attempt. There is no badge currently on the region.

That's more of a modly oversight I think, because they keep the badge. Also - should liberated regions even be able to CTE and need the badge reapplied?

[Caelapes]

Is it still even needed? The region was jacked during refound attempt. There is no badge currently on the region.

That's more of a modly oversight I think, because they keep the badge. Also - should liberated regions even be able to CTE and need the badge reapplied?

Why would Liberated regions be treated any differently from other regions?

[Crurnlark]

Punish the government-in-exile, not the community. Go ahead and prop up your own puppet government, but the natives should be held in higher respect than fodder for your vengeance on petty community leaders.