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[Draft] Condemn DEN

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[Draft] Condemn DEN

Postby Nohbdy » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:49 pm

The Security Council,

Observing DEN as a notorious military organization, known for its unprovoked attacks against innocent regions of various sizes and ideologies,

Recognizing DEN as the most powerful military in the world, capable of taking over and occupying multiple regions at the same time. For example, throughout the St Abbaddon campaign, four other regions have been placed under occupation, including Yorkshire, NeoConfederate States of America, Anarchy, and Portugal,

Disturbed that DEN forces have recently occupied the regions of St Abbaddon and Anarchy, both of which have previously been liberated by this very council,

Horrified by the actions DEN takes during their occupations, including the forceful removal of each region’s population, causing mass migrations of displaced refugees throughout the world,

Noting that since it’s revival, at least eleven large regions have suffered under DEN occupation, including:

Further Noting that this is not the first raider organization to be associated with the name DEN: a name that has been a part of raider history since the early days of the world,

Disappointed that while the current version of DEN is very different from the DEN of the past, it has garnered the support of several members of the original region,

Concerned by the fact that DEN has inherited and consolidated the possessions and conquests of the now defunct raider region, The Black Riders,

Pointing out that Gest - the founder of DEN, and highest ranking member of it’s military - has already been branded with a condemnation via Security Council Resolution #122,

Troubled by the number of regions and organizations that have shown support for the activities carried out by DEN, and that such support has resulted in DEN’s partnerships with a number of regions, including Brotherhood of Shadows, HYDRA Command, Knights of Ren, The Black Hawks, Auralia, Europeia, Lone Wolves United, The Kingdom of Great Britain, and Cimmeria,

Understanding that while DEN is far from the only raider organization in the world, it is one of the most well known and active groups, giving it symbolic meaning in the eyes of the world as a representation of the raider ideology,

Denouncing the regional destruction carried out by raider influence under the organization and leadership of DEN, and all the future destruction that is sure to follow,

Wishing to discourage future groups from falling under raider influence, while simultaneously expressing the utmost disapproval of DEN,

Hereby Condemns DEN.
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Postby Nohbdy » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:49 pm

Before people start scrambling to find the quotes in which I either:
A) State that I refuse to write a new condemnation
B) State that self condemnations are the line I refuse to cross

Don’t bother. They can be found here:
viewtopic.php?p=26994117#p26994117
viewtopic.php?p=27354076#p27354076
viewtopic.php?p=27497975#p27497975

So, why the change of heart? Well, to be honest, the only reason I’m okay with my own involvement in this is that I had coauthors who were there contributing to the content of this proposal, as opposed to contributing to the campaign like in my repeal of the last condemnation of DEN. Also, I’ll be honest: I only said I wouldn’t write a new Condemn DEN because at the time I was feeling too lazy to write a whole other proposal. Now that I have provided a properly flimsy excuse for my blatantly hypocritical behavior, I can explain why I wrote this draft:

Fact: DEN will be condemned again. At some point, someone is going to manage to pull it off.
Proof: viewtopic.php?p=27170108#p27170108

Fact: The SC (and GA sometimes) will continue to receive blatantly illegal spam proposals trying to condemn DEN until it is condemned (and afterwards too, let’s be real).
Proof: search.php?keywords=DEN&t=193670&sf=msgonly

Fact: We all know that DEN is hated enough that it is possible for a Condemnation of DEN to pass → With numerous factual, spelling, grammar and syntax errors → Without a telegram campaign → Without support from ANY of the GCR delegates.
Proof: viewtopic.php?p=27170108#p27170108

So here’s the situation I have found myself in: I know these facts are true. I encouraged other, more qualified writers to take up this cause. They didn’t. The flow of crap proposals has remained steady, and it’s only a matter of time before some deep pocketed 12 year old with a technically legal proposal gets a “Condem DEN” passed. Then we’ll have to repeal it… again, and then repeat the process all over again.

My currently anonymous coauthors and I have taken it upon ourselves to keep this from happening. The SC has been suffering lately, with the same two topics being brought up over and over again, each new proposal getting less and less effort put into them. In the past week, all we’ve seen in this Council are drafts that are either illegal, single lines, or have no research put into them. Someone needs to do something to get more people interested in this council, and we believe that the best way to do this is by clearing up our to do list so that other, less DEN related topics can be discussed. Our goal is to write a well-written, legal condemnation that expresses the correct points and opinions, without shedding the illusion of non-bias that the SC is supposed to have. This is your chance to help.

Basically, this is an ultimatum to the Security Council: Help us make this proposal as well written as possible, or get used to having it on the books in its current form. We all know that with access to the proper tools and a well-funded campaign, anyone can pass a Condemnation of DEN. But as a repeal and replace? I probably won’t even need the tg campaign.

So in short: I don’t care that raiders like being condemned: that doesn’t subtract from the fact that deserve it. I don’t care that you think DEN hasn’t done enough to be condemned: clearly a majority of the site believes it has. I don’t care that you think DEN is full of terrorists, or nazis, or bullies and I didn’t mention it: it isn’t, you’re clumping all of the things you dislike together.

This proposal is going to pass, and I want you to help me do it, so this stupid controversy can come to a close, and those of us who enjoy assisting with the drafting process can stop being forced to talk about DEN every other thread. It’s getting old.

Now, if you could please post any inaccuracies, mistakes, or things we left out, it would be greatly appreciated. I’m sick of having this conversation, and I want my Security Council back, and I have a feeling you’re feeling the same way.

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Postby Queen Yuno » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:55 pm

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Postby The Shadow Guardian » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:06 pm

A selfie? Weren't you just the one that just claimed that Wayneactia trying to condemn UFoC was terrible because it looked like a selfie?
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Postby Zhafu Cao » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:59 pm

I see a few minor grammatical errors, but it doesn't look like a terrible draft.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:48 pm

Can we pass a resolution calling for a moratorium on Condemning DEN for the next 6 months? I'm tired of these bi-weekly attempts.

People should join the fight against invaders if they're so concerned. That or maybe Commend one of the few that stand in their way.
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Postby Nohbdy » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:45 pm

The Shadow Guardian wrote:A selfie? Weren't you just the one that just claimed that Wayneactia trying to condemn UFoC was terrible because it looked like a selfie?

No, that was like... everyone else. I pointed out that the first clause was plagiarized.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:14 am

The first clause is plagiarized.
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Postby Esno-Calarin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:19 am

Took you long enough. Too many people being ejected out of their region, just because some skrubs want to advertise, dont forget they also forcefully eject just because they didn't endorse the DEN puppet.
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Postby Austro-Germanica » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:22 am

Wallenburg wrote:The first clause is plagiarized.

Where is it plagiarized from?

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Postby Nohbdy » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:23 am

Wallenburg wrote:The first clause is plagiarized.

Could you link me to what it's from? I didn't do it on purpose, but it's entirely possible I subconsciously took something I remembered from somewhere else.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:26 am

Guys, DEN wants to be condemned. It shows that they're strong and a powerful force. We should make sure that they arent condemned so they aren't recognized.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:27 am

Nohbdy wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:The first clause is plagiarized.

Could you link me to what it's from? I didn't do it on purpose, but it's entirely possible I subconsciously took something I remembered from somewhere else.

It appears I was incorrect. I must have mistaken this thread for the previous resolution for a moment. Damn mobile.
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Postby Ayvari » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:29 am

The Portland Territory wrote:Guys, DEN wants to be condemned. It shows that they're strong and a powerful force. We should make sure that they arent condemned so they aren't recognized.

Sometimes natives confuse and/or amuse me. Half of them say "Condemn DEN to save us all!" and the other half say "They want it! Don't give it to them!"

Can't the collective body of natives just pick a united stance and stick to it? :p Your case will be much stronger that way.

Although no matter what you do you won't stop DEN.
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Postby The Brand New Salvatagard Republic » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:31 am

Thank you! I want DEN comdemned!

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Postby Esno-Calarin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:32 am

Okay, if anyone from DEN is reading this, can you please answer something for me. If you want to fight a war, instead of just annoying the living hell out of everyone and having to make a new region, why not just ask them if you can RP a war?
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Postby Austro-Germanica » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:35 am

Esno-Calarin wrote:Okay, if anyone from DEN is reading this, can you please answer something for me. If you want to fight a war, instead of just annoying the living hell out of everyone and having to make a new region, why not just ask them if you can RP a war?

Because DEN chooses to fight war using game mechanics. It is no less a valid form of war than roleplaying war, and you can't godmod the results.

The Brand New Salvatagard Republic wrote:Thank you! I want DEN comdemned!

What will it really achieve in the end though? The Black Hawks have been condemned for years and it hasn't slowed down their activities or recruitment levels.
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Postby Esno-Calarin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:36 am

I don't get how basically griefing a region is a game mechanic....
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Postby Austro-Germanica » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:39 am

Esno-Calarin wrote:I don't get how basically griefing a region is a game mechanic....

They are using the fundamental game mechanic of delegate elections. Nobody truly owns regions except for the proprietor of the website Max Barry, who condones the political aspect of electing delegates.
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Postby Esno-Calarin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:41 am

I'm just worried that one day my region will be invaded and we'll have to remake everything and let all the nations that were in it try to find us again....
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Postby Austro-Germanica » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:42 am

Esno-Calarin wrote:I'm just worried that one day my region will be invaded and we'll have to remake everything and let all the nations that were in it try to find us again....

As long as your founder stays active, and your delegacy is non-executive, that is not a possibility.

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Postby Esno-Calarin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:44 am

Also, what does Condemnation even do?
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Postby Austro-Germanica » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:45 am

Esno-Calarin wrote:Also, what does Condemnation even do?

Puts a shiny badge on a region or a nation that says the community is outraged by their actions. It is basically a trophy for being a badass.

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Postby Esno-Calarin » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:46 am

So it dosen't do anything...?
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Postby Austro-Germanica » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:47 am

Esno-Calarin wrote:So it dosen't do anything...?

In respect to punitive actions? No.

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