[DEFEATED] Condemn The Land of Kings and Emperors

[Sedgistan]

Description: The Security Council,

JUDGING The Land of Kings and Emperors (The LKE) as having long avoided complete and public denunciation of its crimes against the citizens of the world,

OBJECTING to The LKE's policy of maintaining embassies with a number of dangerously hostile “invader” regions, as well as its self-applied description of being an “invader” region itself,

HORRIFIED at The LKE’s ongoing and ancient record of deploying its military in assistance of and/or with the assistance of other regions condemned by this august body, including The Black Riders, DEN, The Black Hawks, and Lone Wolves United, alongside holding a (now defunct) military treaty with The Black Riders,

DISREGARDING The LKE’s belief that its aggressive actions are merely a form of political expression as a thin sham used to hide an extensive history of strong-arming weaker regions and the nations within them to its will,

CHASTISING The LKE’s military actions over the years as contributing to both temporary and long-term damage and depopulation of regions, for reasons ranging from unwanted mail sent to LKE-allied regions to pure wanton brutality, including but not limited to:

Concosia (Once home to hundreds), Anarchy, Asia (twice), North Atlantic, Belgium, The West, Outer Heaven, Capitalist Paradise, St Abbaddon (twice), Christmas (leading to its historic Liberation by this council), Hippiedom, Dharma, Scotland (twice), The United Defenders League, Canada, Eastern Europe, Middle Earth (twice), Australia, Slavia, Slavya, Coalition of Catholic States, Soviet Union, Hogwarts (leading to the passing of a Liberation by this body), The Soviet Bloc, Region Inc, Equestria, Atheist Empire, South Pacific, The Black Riders (quashing the force of rebels cleansing the region), Liberty Alliance, Forest (deposing a leader with a term almost as old as the LKE's existence), Japan, and countless other regions whose names and stories are lost to the sands of time,

ELABORATING on its hostile activity to include ongoing, long-term wars against ancient defenders of peace and national sovereignty, The United Defenders League and The Founderless Regions Alliance,

NOTING that The LKE withdrew abruptly from negotiations to end one of the above conflicts,

ACCUSING the LKE of disrupting major chunks of the world via its involvement in hostile takeovers of the ancient and massive regions of The Rejected Realms and Osiris, the latter twice,

ADMONISHING The LKE for its involvement in a massive case of international mail fraud,

ARRIVING at the conclusion that, in more than a decade of existence, The Land of Kings and Emperors has brutally crushed the regions that many a nation and its citizens call home, both alone, aside militant radical regions, and as a part of pacts it was instrumental in forming and leading (notably The United Imperial Armed Forces), and more than deserves to finally be called to receive justice on the largest scale,

Hereby condemns The Land of Kings and Emperors.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1451237873

[Zoe Porphyrogenita]

ADMONISHING The LKE for its involvement in a massive case of international mail fraud,

...a massive case of international mail fraud,

...international mail fraud,

I can make neither head nor tail of this statement, but the first thought that comes to my mind is the illegal recruitment scandal. That was only one person acting of their own accord with all others, within the region and without alike, ignorant of their actions, for we were kept in the dark. We were involved, yes, but in name only, for that was the region's name the illicitly-sent recruitment telegrams bore.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=silver_shroud_1451168864

Lastly, it is a good idea to post the proposal draft on the forums before submitting it in the event that any illegalities are detected, so that the proposal does not get pulled for them. In that case, I cannot see any from a few reads of it, but then again I am far from a Security Council veteran.

[RiderSyl]

The Silver Shroud strikes again!

[Silver Shroud]

Heads and Tails are both ends, while this is but a middle, and few things end so concretely. Regardless of the details, The LKE was involved, and served time as such. If you'd like a current example, just because Sanders had no idea that his staffer was exploring a computer error to view and save Clinton's strategies didn't mean his whole campaign was not questioned in the action. I also don't think it can be said that any one of the listed points can be said to have been done with the full knowledge and consent of all citizens. Do all of the LKE's roleplaying citizens know of and support the atrocities that it's military leadership, namely the select few in charge, have furthered? Are they too not ignorant of some of these actions? Like it or not, as you said, the LKE's name was on those telegrams, and as such, it was brought up as a minor point within. I expected that particular point to be contentious, but felt it was too large of a blemish to leave entirely unmentioned.

The Silver Shroud has employed allies more versed in the matter (though not The Mistress of Mystery, this time) to proofread this proposal. If any illegalities have slipped four pairs of shaded eyes, then I shall be quite surprised.

[Zoe Porphyrogenita]

Heads and Tails are both ends, while this is but a middle, and few things end so concretely. Regardless of the details, The LKE was involved, and served time as such. If you'd like a current example, just because Sanders had no idea that his staffer was exploring a computer error to view and save Clinton's strategies didn't mean his whole campaign was not questioned in the action. I also don't think it can be said that any one of the listed points can be said to have been done with the full knowledge and consent of all citizens.

Very well. Condemn the collective -- many of whom have no idea of what military gameplay even is -- for the actions of a few.

Do all of the LKE's roleplaying citizens know of and support the atrocities that it's military leadership, namely the select few in charge, have furthered? Are they too not ignorant of some of these actions? Like it or not, as you said, the LKE's name was on those telegrams, and as such, it was brought up as a minor point within. I expected that particular point to be contentious, but felt it was too large of a blemish to leave entirely unmentioned.

Then condemn the "select few in charge" in their stead. You will earn yourself more badges per capita. And that, I feel, may be what a number of Security Council authors of Commendations and Condemnations strive for primarily.

The Silver Shroud has employed allies more versed in the matter (though not The Mistress of Mystery, this time) to proofread this proposal. If any illegalities have slipped four pairs of shaded eyes, then I shall be quite surprised.

It doesn't hurt to be sure, and in any case, it's a good idea to make the thread before submitting, but even if it is submitted, it is still not too bad an idea to make a thread anyway, so that it may be discussed.

[Silver Shroud]

I am not condemning any members - else this would be a series of nation condemnations, not a regional one. The military actions were performed in the name of the region, hence it is the region I shall strive to condemn. This is not a new practice.

My goal is justice, not badges. I seek not material reward.

Before submitting, seconds after submitting, little difference if I do not plan to change the words laid down. If the worst you have to criticize is the morality of condemning a region in general, the single shortest and intentionally contentious line, and the fact that I did not follow unofficial submission protocol to the letter, rather than even broaching the majority of the concrete content, I feel as though you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Look at the content, then look at the content of condemnations for other regions, perhaps even the recent one for your precious DEN that you so recently published an article on, and tell me that, at the least, this does not have equal or even greater justification (and in some cases, better grammar) than those.

Also, nice try, switching points upon your reply. Too bad The Silver Shroud has an agility of 21.

[Zoe Porphyrogenita]

The worst that can happen from a condemnation badge is people who are already aware of the LKE's true nature becoming only slightly more enlightened. The best that can happen, of course, is better marketing: a condemnation (or a commendation badge, for that matter) only serves to add an extra tag to the region, enabling it to be better found among many other regions of the world.

See here: http://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_se ... =condemned

This is not to mention the fact that this is a game, and when people seek to play the villain, they will only serve to be drawn by the condemnation badge, for who of their ilk would not want to play the villain in one of the most infamous organisations in the stead of a backwater organisation just setting or closing up shop? Nonetheless, I am far from the only one speaking of morality, and though I do speak of it, it is not with as much fervour as your good self.

You are possessed of a wit as sharp as your tongue and agility. You may find, however, that your spirit and conviction cloud you somewhat.

[Silver Shroud]

Ah, but as I've brought up, are all the citizens of the LKE really aware of that nature? I think not. And while a "badge" does attract some, it also turns away others. Again, needless to stay, that hasn't stopped people from continuing to condemn regions time and time again for their deeds, why should this be any different?

[Sedgistan]

The "John Cena" part has got this proposal removed. See: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#branding

[Silver Shroud]

With all the time and research put into this proposal, the first letters matter that much? Resolution #185 was not removed for spelling "Red Fleet," yes the two in the queue as of ten minutes ago were both removed for similar creativity?

[Silver Shroud]

"NULLYFYING" (begrudgingly) edited to "Disregarding," Good?

[Misley]

That's a shame. I think that if people can write resolutions that have a coherent, reasonable argument that happens to take the form of an acrostic, it should be fair play. But then I'm not the Secretariat.

"Commend Haiku" was not discarded for "other such silliness," and Resolutions #185 ("REDFLEET") and #181 ("SPECTRE") both passed with acrostics.

All three of those resolutions and this proposal constructed themselves creatively - an argument that couldn't be extended to the proposal to Liberate St Abbaddon that spelled out "DEN".

[Silver Shroud]

I'll be resubmitting with the slightly edited, sideshow fun spoiled version. As you've noted, Misely, the body of the proposal still, and always has been, entirely serious and extensively researched.


....after I spend another half hour redoing all the formatting >.< That's a lot of region tags.

[Sedgistan]

The other "Liberate St Abbaddon" was removed for duplicating the arguments of the one that just passed. The removal had to be done just before update, in case the voting changed and the other one failed.

A GHR had been submitted on the "Liberate St Abbaddon" just removed re. the "DEN" acrostic. That part was considered borderline, but just about tolerable, as DEN was directly relevant to the content of the proposal. The same would apply to "Repeal "Condemn the Greater German Reich"". I don't recall noticing the SPECTRE in "Repeal "Liberate Congress of Armed Proletarian States""; I'm not sure what that refers to. It's not immediately obvious as an RL reference or branding of something unrelated to the proposal.

[Silver Shroud]

The Bond movie by that name, which yes, had been announced by then, on top of the long-running group of villains within the series (first appearing in the novel Thunderball in '61, or film Dr. No, '62)?

Regardless, it has been edited and resubmitted.

[Misley]

The other "Liberate St Abbaddon" was removed for duplicating the arguments of the one that just passed. The removal had to be done just before update, in case the voting changed and the other one failed.

A GHR had been submitted on the "Liberate St Abbaddon" just removed re. the "DEN" acrostic. That part was considered borderline, but just about tolerable, as DEN was directly relevant to the content of the proposal. The same would apply to "Repeal "Condemn the Greater German Reich"". I don't recall noticing the SPECTRE in "Repeal "Liberate Congress of Armed Proletarian States""; I'm not sure what that refers to. It's not immediately obvious as an RL reference or branding of something unrelated to the proposal.

Thanks for the explanation. Could this be added to the thread on mod rulings? The "SPECTRE" in Liberate CAPS referred to the opening lines of the Communist Manifesto: "A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism." Not the Bond film. I take it that if it had been noticed, that proposal would've been discarded?

[Silver Shroud]

The other "Liberate St Abbaddon" was removed for duplicating the arguments of the one that just passed. The removal had to be done just before update, in case the voting changed and the other one failed.

A GHR had been submitted on the "Liberate St Abbaddon" just removed re. the "DEN" acrostic. That part was considered borderline, but just about tolerable, as DEN was directly relevant to the content of the proposal. The same would apply to "Repeal "Condemn the Greater German Reich"". I don't recall noticing the SPECTRE in "Repeal "Liberate Congress of Armed Proletarian States""; I'm not sure what that refers to. It's not immediately obvious as an RL reference or branding of something unrelated to the proposal.

Thanks for the explanation. Could this be added to the thread on mod rulings? The "SPECTRE" in Liberate CAPS referred to the opening lines of the Communist Manifesto: "A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism." Not the Bond film. I take it that if it had been noticed, that proposal would've been discarded?

Considering that the goal of SPECTRE is to set world powers (namely, at the time, the USSR and the US, with the relevant politico-economic systems associated) against each other, it wouldn't be a stretch to wonder if Fleming was likewise inspired ...But that's a topic for another forum.

[Sedgistan]

The other "Liberate St Abbaddon" was removed for duplicating the arguments of the one that just passed. The removal had to be done just before update, in case the voting changed and the other one failed.

A GHR had been submitted on the "Liberate St Abbaddon" just removed re. the "DEN" acrostic. That part was considered borderline, but just about tolerable, as DEN was directly relevant to the content of the proposal. The same would apply to "Repeal "Condemn the Greater German Reich"". I don't recall noticing the SPECTRE in "Repeal "Liberate Congress of Armed Proletarian States""; I'm not sure what that refers to. It's not immediately obvious as an RL reference or branding of something unrelated to the proposal.

Thanks for the explanation. Could this be added to the thread on mod rulings? The "SPECTRE" in Liberate CAPS referred to the opening lines of the Communist Manifesto: "A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism." Not the Bond film. I take it that if it had been noticed, that proposal would've been discarded?

Nope, in the same way that if it had the acrostic "haunting" and was referring to that word in the sentence you've quoted, it would have been fine. If it was a proper noun (e.g. 'Europe') that would've been more of a problem - though that one is clouded by 'Europe' existing within NS too.

I will update the Compendium with this, but will wait until this discussion is over before doing so, in case any further clarification is needed.

[Onderkelkia]

Most of clauses of this proposal skirt over - in the most cavalier of fashions - the context of the events discussed. As shown in relation to specific points below, many of the events appear in quite a different light if viewed from outside the slanted perspective in which the proposal is authored.

Apart from the weaknesses in its arguments, the proposal is poorly written. Very few details are provided (which I assume results from the fact the author's case would be greatly weakened if he addressed the specifics of what happened and why). Over-blown rhetoric is prioritised over precise facts.

OBJECTING to The LKE's policy of maintaining embassies with a number of dangerously hostile “invader” regions, as well as its self-applied description of being an “invader” region itself,

Since when has maintaining in-game relations with Osiris, Unknown and Lone Wolves United been grounds for a condemnation?

The LKE uses the tag of "invader" to attract nations who are interested in offensive military operations. In the same way, we use the tags "Steampunk" and "Past Tech" to indicate types of role-play that we do, but that hardly means that the LKE is a "Past Tech" region. These tags are purely functional.

Anyone familiar with the LKE's foreign policy over the last decade will know that we do not describe ourselves as an invader region. If it was intended for this reference to be meaningful, then presenting the LKE's alleged status as an "invader" region as self-description suggests a weak understanding of our region. If the author is aware of the LKE's actual position, then this line is an ill-informed barb at the choice of tag and unworthy of the Security Council.

HORRIFIED at The LKE’s ongoing and ancient record of deploying its military in assistance of and/or with the assistance of other regions condemned by this august body, including The Black Riders, DEN, The Black Hawks, and Lone Wolves United, alongside holding a (now defunct) military treaty with The Black Riders,

A condemnation ought to rest on actions which a region itself has performed - not operations led by others which have been condemned elsewhere.

In terms of the facts presented here, you describe the LKE's record of deploying alongside these condemned regions as "ancient". That depends on how you define "antiquity". The bulk of the LKE's military cooperation with The Black Hawks, DEN, The Black Riders, and Lone Wolves United has been post-2011. Before that point, TBH sent troops twice in 2006-7 and once in 2009 to piling operations run by the LKE, but this was infrequent and uncoordinated.

Indeed, on the earliest occasion where LKE and DEN were both present on the battlefield, we were on opposite sides - in concert with our diplomatic partner, the Meritocratic prefecture Alpha Omega, in July 2006 the LKE attempted to 'liberate' the ACCEL regions of Ayn Rand and The Malibu Islands. The LKE's priority has always been relations with fellow political regions. The defunct TBR treaty, which the LKE (along with TNI and Albion) back in 2014, represents only a very small part of a decade-long external affairs agenda, where allies like TNI, GB&I and Europeia have been much more important.

CHASTISING The LKE’s military actions over the years as contributing to both temporary and long-term damage and depopulation of regions, for reasons ranging from unwanted mail sent to LKE-allied regions to pure wanton brutality, including but not limited to:

Concosia (Once home to hundreds), Anarchy, Asia (twice), North Atlantic, Belgium, The West, Outer Heaven, Capitalist Paradise, St Abbaddon (twice), Christmas (leading to its historic Liberation by this council), Hippiedom, Dharma, Scotland (twice), The United Defenders League, Canada, Eastern Europe, Middle Earth (twice), Australia, Slavia, Slavya, Coalition of Catholic States, Soviet Union, Hogwarts (leading to the passing of a Liberation by this body), The Soviet Bloc, Region Inc, Equestria, Atheist Empire, South Pacific, The Black Riders (quashing the force of rebels cleansing the region), Liberty Alliance, Forest (deposing a leader with a term almost as old as the LKE's existence), Japan, and countless other regions whose names and stories are lost to the sands of time,

This resolution liberally throws around phrases like "long-term damage and depopulation of regions" and "pure wanton brutality". Yet it fails to demonstrate how the LKE has played a leading role in causing such damage to even a single region, never mind all those on this long laundry list.

Out of this entire list, Liberty Alliance is the one mission where the LKE was, on its own, the lead party. That operation lasted for 12 hours.

A few more of the operations you list were led by the LKE alongside TNI and Albion as part of the United Imperial Armed Forces. In February of this year, the Security Council rejected - for the third time running - an attempt to condemn TNI. Alongside the operations it ran as part of the UAIF alongside Albion and the LKE, TNI has a more extensive record (than the LKE) of leading non-UIAF occupations (some of which you list in this resolution). Considering that the Security Council has rightly and repeatedly rejected spurious attempts to condemn TNI, it would be inconsistent and arbitrary to condemn the LKE.

The truth is that only one region has ever been destroyed (i.e. refounded) by the LKE. That region is Nazi Europe, where the UIAF and The North Pacific jointly led the invasion and re-founding. If you want an instance of LKE destruction, that is the only clear-cut case. We make no apologies for it.

ELABORATING on its hostile activity to include ongoing, long-term wars against ancient defenders of peace and national sovereignty, The United Defenders League and The Founderless Regions Alliance,

The UDL and the FRA are "ancient defenders of peace and national sovereignty"? Apart from the question of whether these groups (especially the UDL) are actuallly ancient, there have been numerous controversies where both these organisations have been accused of disrespecting the autonomy of user-created regions and game-created regions alike. For example, the FRA invaded the LKE colony of the United Kingdom of Britain - a colony founded by the LKE's emperor, rather than a conquered region - which is why the LKE declared war on them. This is a sovereign dispute which the Security Council has no role in.

Considering the hyperbolic praise of leading groups engaged in hostilities against the LKE, it is quite obvious why this resolution is being brought.

NOTING that The LKE withdrew abruptly from negotiations to end one of the above conflicts,

Albion, TNI and LKE collectively withdrew from the September 2014 talks because of the FRA's conduct over the summit's course. This consisted of:

1. Arch-Chancellor Falconias announcing that we had agreed to peace negotiations before he had even informed us of the idea, let alone got our consent;
2. The FRA representatives who turned up disputing the fundamental premises announced by their Arch-Chancellor as the basis for the summit, such as finding common cause in promoting GCR security - basically we ended up negotiating with two different factions within the FRA;
3. Arch-Chancellor Falconais promising to produce a treaty draft on 9th October, which brought the discussions to a a halt while we waited for it - this had failed to materialise by the time we withdrew from the summit on 27th November;
4. The FRA Assembly starting to debate, in November, withdrawing from the summit - without telling us and after they had invited us to attend.

The FRA's the course of conduct throughout the whole affair was highly unprofessional. Albion, TNI and LKE were entirely justified in terminating talks. Furthermore, on a previous occasion, in 2011, the LKE and TNI made a peace offer to the FRA. The FRA rejected this offer. Therefore, it is bizarre that this resolution puts the blame on the LKE for prolonging the conflict, when it is the poor behaviour of the FRA which has delayed steps towards peace.

ACCUSING the LKE of disrupting major chunks of the world via its involvement in hostile takeovers of the ancient and massive regions of The Rejected Realms and Osiris, the latter twice,

Like every region whose military units were ejected from Belgium (excepting TNI), the LKE had no conscious involvement in the military takeover of The Rejected Realms. I was personally involved, in my capacity as Commander of TNI Armed Forces, but the LKE military had a separate command structure and a different commander (as this was not during the UIAF). This mission concluded before the next update in TRR, so there was no lasting military damage.

Regarding Osiris, I assume that you are referring to the UIAF mission, which undermined Gatesville's grip on Osiris during July 2013, and the UIAF's support later that year for the Osiris Fraternal Order. On both occasions, the UIAF acted to protect Osiris with the permission of the legitimate Delegate of Osiris.

In any case, the language here is quite absurd - for example, you say that the LKE is responsible for "disrupting major chunks of the world". Even if you regard the LKE's actions in Osiris as discreditable (which you'd be wrong to), in both instances Osiris was already disrupted before the LKE's involvement.

ADMONISHING The LKE for its involvement in a massive case of international mail fraud,

A single individual, who has banished from the LKE, was involved. The rest of the LKE was shocked and appalled when we learned what happened.

What is it, exactly, that the author believes that the LKE Monarchy should have done to avoid the incident? Are we somehow meant to have read the perpetrator's mind? He acted without sanction from the leadership of the LKE and there is nothing that the LKE could have done to have stopped him.

The LKE subsequently lobbied for a change to the game to enable us to prevent such actions in future - namely the ability to control who can send recruitment telegrams for a region and whether recruiting can be restricted to API-only, which was added to regional administration at the LKE's request.

I also don't think it can be said that any one of the listed points can be said to have been done with the full knowledge and consent of all citizens. Do all of the LKE's roleplaying citizens know of and support the atrocities that it's military leadership, namely the select few in charge, have furthered?

1. There is a major difference from the LKE's leadership ordering military operations, which are publicly available for all to see, which perhaps some citizens might not hear about, and a single individual within the LKE secretly performing an action - automated recruitment - outside his authority.

2. All the LKE's citizens are well aware of the LKE's military victories. We openly announce both our operations and our imperialist approach to gameplay.

[Zionatra]

Isn't that part of the game that is NS?

[Silver Shroud]

As much as I'd love to disappear into a cloud of smoke to dodge that hail of words....

Since when is slant to the eye of the beholder not part of politics? Every story has two sides, one man's hero is another's illegal vigilante. Did I not say "DISREGARDING The LKE’s belief that its aggressive actions are merely a form of political expression as a thin sham used to hide an extensive history of strong-arming weaker regions and the nations within them to its will?"

Exact details were not entered into mainly due to the fact that I'd actually like people to read this proposal, and, as I'm sure you understand by now considering your average post length, the majority of players get a bit turned off by walls of text. I assure you, I read quite a large number of forum posts and records, and collected an elaborate record of details. More details shall come in a bit.

I'm sorry, is it not historically correct to disapprove of a region for associating with regions marked as hostile, dictatorial, and aggressive towards the average other region in the world? Doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

See, this here addresses one of the major premises of my proposal - that over a decade of assisting in operations long deemed of condemn-able quality is as bad as leading them yourself. In many of the same operations that have lead to the condemnations I've mentioned, The LKE contributed a large chunk, and sometimes even a majority, of the piling forces present. By common Gameplay regard, The LKE is one of The Raiders' greatest tools for carrying out their deeds. Without your pilers, many of the worst and longest term operations that natives have felt would have fallen to defender liberations. Just because those operations were not thought of by the LKE does not mean that they were not made possible in large part by the LKE, and that, I believe, is the largest part of why The LKE merits a condemnation as much as, if not more than, all the raiders that have been Condemned already.

An example among many:

The LKE Imperial Army has been busy as part of the United Imperial Armed Forces (UIAF). Recently the UIAF captured Middle Earth with LKE providing close to half the updaters from UIAF forces. Subsequently, Middle Earth was captured at the update and UIAF forces started pouring in before the minor update so any liberation attempt would have had been futile

You consistently report in your own embassy thread your destructive military prowess. Excuse me for lacking the space to report every such instance within my proposal.

Your record in assisting with destruction goes back as far as, and likely further than, the very first region I list- Concosia. Though, indeed,it was a TNI lead-

We are pleased to report that in a daring, unconventional and tense military operation, The New Inquisition Armed Forces have successfully refounded Concosia. Back in 2007, this region had a few hundred nations and currently has a forum with over 32,000 posts, so capturing it permanently represents a significant victory for TNI

yet-

Our allies, especially The Imperial Legion (TIL), TBH, The Land of Kings and Emperors (The LKE) and Europeia, were also vital to this effort and I would like to recognise this.

...One of many sources agreeing that The LKE has been vital to such efforts time and time again. Looking at the condemnations awarded to TBR, DEN, and LWU (TBH's does not mention specific operations in the same detail), I believe I am correct in stating that The LKE was instrumental in supporting almost every named operation within those proposals. It's time The LKE stopped hiding behind the shield of "we didn't plan it."

Accusations of defender organizations breaching regional sovereignty in execution of their efforts have been commonplace, as would be expected. They do their best to minimize impact on defender regions, and have remained widely hailed for their actions regardless of criticism mostly stemming from their enemies.

Is it? I seem to have missed that reason, would you mind sharing it rather than making some implication?

Your analysis of my criticism of the withdrawal and recruitment incidents are mostly fair. I, like many authors before me, am guilty of glittering events a bit to sound good in a proposal, I shall admit that. In the end, however, they're still both facts - you DID withdraw from peace talks, and illegal recruiting WAS committed in your name... and the region as a whole was punished for it. If the mods see it as fair to apply that to the entire region, I don't think it's that much of a stretch for a lowly author to do so as well.

How many new citizens perform a through search of NS records between viewing your recruitment telegrams and joining your region? A nice, shiny badge at the top of the page should serve as a much more relevant and accessible warning as to the record your region holds.

-The Silver Shroud

[The Silver Sentinel]

ADMONISHING The LKE for its involvement in a massive case of international mail fraud,

A single individual, who has banished from the LKE, was involved. The rest of the LKE was shocked and appalled when we learned what happened.

What is it, exactly, that the author believes that the LKE Monarchy should have done to avoid the incident? Are we somehow meant to have read the perpetrator's mind? He acted without sanction from the leadership of the LKE and there is nothing that the LKE could have done to have stopped him.

The LKE subsequently lobbied for a change to the game to enable us to prevent such actions in future - namely the ability to control who can send recruitment telegrams for a region and whether recruiting can be restricted to API-only, which was added to regional administration at the LKE's request.

I hate to be forced to agree with you but yeah.... This really isn't condemnable. It is pretty clear that Bob was involved in that by himself with help from Frak.

As it stands I cannot support condemning them on these grounds. The LKE simply supports the operations of larger organizations. They really are no different from the Red Fleet, in so that they really haven't done anything noteworthy enough to warrant international attention.

[Solorni]

I thought the author may have been you Silver Sentinel! Do we know who hides behind the puppet Silver Shroud?

[Silver Shroud]

Silver.....Sentinal? Did my mother get drunk and have another heroically named child?

Moving on - It is my firm believe that years of providing the large number of pilers to support raids is akin to being a sort of NationStates arms dealer, providing the villainous organizations of the site with the "armaments" necessary to project their dastardly power. For years upon years of providing this reproachable service, without which many of these organizations' largest and most destructive operations may never have succeeded, I find The LKE to be just as guilty, and just as worthy of condemnation, as those wielding the controls.

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The Silver Shroud's identity remains clouded in mystery, Delegate.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Do we know who hides behind the puppet Silver Shroud?

Obviously someone with a rather large hard on for the LKE. My top three guesses? Cormac, Unibot, Tim.