[Draft]Liberate The Black Riders

[We Are Not the NSA]

Liberate The Black Riders

The Security Council,

Remembering that The Black Riders were one of the most feared military forces in history,

Memorializing the thousands upon thousands of regions that were felled by The Black Riders,

Recalling that the region became founderless when The Black Riders Commander ceased to exist,

Applauding the region’s new leadership for its attempts to create a free and democratic system to replace the military hierarchy that preceded it,

Saddened to see the truth, that their attempts have ultimately failed,

Realizing that the first delegate of the new Black Riders, UnitedGermanRegions, up and left the region, leaving it at the mercy of invaders,

Pointing out that the second delegate, Pontacium, actually attempted to hand the region over to the invaders,

Amused by the lack of concern that the publicly ratified "democratic" constitution of The Black Riders permanently installs Harenhime as Delegate,

Angered by this bastardization of Democracy, a concept that this very council has been charged with upholding,

Horrified by the constant undermining of those who hold the delegacy by those who have been entrusted to help secure the region,

Denouncing the various plots to overthrow UnitedGermanRegions and Pontacium,

Disappointed at the naiveté of those supporting the new government, for not realizing that said government is, in reality, a group of raiders who are unable or unwilling to admit what they truly are,

Understanding that the new government forcibly took control of the delegacy, closed the region’s embassies, and exiled those native to the Black Riders from the region,

Sympathizing with the former citizens of The Black Riders, who were forced from their home and suffered derogatory and tasteless leering from their occupiers,

Accusing the new government of becoming the very thing that they have fought against, through their actions in taking power and their unethical behavior since,

Infuriated that these invaders have the gall to claim themselves to be “Liberators”,

Warning that a storm is coming, and that the new government of the Black Riders has proven itself to be untrustworthy, and unworthy of permanently controlling the region,

Believing that the new government of The Black Riders will eventually seek to refound the region,

Wishing to block the corrupt leaders of this new government from achieving their nefarious plot,

Hereby Liberates The Black Riders.

Just a little something I've been working on.

[The Stalker]

They don't appear to have much interest in trying to refound or passwording the region. So I don't really see the point.

A lot in this resolution makes me chuckle. I really doubt the majority of the WA is going to be "Sympathizing with the former citizens of The Black Riders".

[The Dorkliest Kingdom of Rah]

True, but there were a lot of people in the region not involved in Raider/Defence gameplay. The Black riders were a bad bunch, but not everyone that was there deserves to get treated as a criminal.

[Starkiller101]

So, um what will this prove NSA? I mean TBR has already moved to den and stated by others in this thread, there is no plans to refound the region and password protect it.

[Kaboomlandia]

OOC: For whatever reason, you have a "region" tag for Pontacium. Should be a "nation" tag.

[We Are Not the NSA]

They don't appear to have much interest in trying to refound or passwording the region. So I don't really see the point.

Just because they haven't shown any intention to refound so far, that doesn't mean that they won't do it.

A lot in this resolution makes me chuckle. I really doubt the majority of the WA is going to be "Sympathizing with the former citizens of The Black Riders".

Why is that?

So, um what will do prove NSA? I mean TBR has already moved to den and stated by others in this thread, there is no plans to refound the region and password protect it.

The point? The point is that The Black Riders was invaded and occupied, and occupations always end up with a password lock. Also, you all know as little about what Harenhime plans do as I do. How can you just assume he is being open?

OOC: For whatever reason, you have a "region" tag for Pontacium. Should be a "nation" tag.

Thanks Kaboom, it must have been a mistake.

[Herrebrugh]

The Black Riders got raided? They kept raiding my regions, which had founder nations. Really fucking annoying. So allow me to celebrate, hehe.

The Black Riders can't count on my sympathy, that much is certain. And my WA nation won't be voting in favour of such a resolution.

[Herby]

Gee... not really sure how I feel about this one. Will keep an open mind for now.

Realizing that the first delegate of the new Black Riders, UnitedGermanRegions, up and left the region, leaving it at the mercy of invaders,

"...up and left"? Sounds like someone unexpectedly left a birthday party before cake was served. I prefer "departed" but a simple "left" would suffice.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Gee... not really sure how I feel about this one. Will keep an open mind for now.

Realizing that the first delegate of the new Black Riders, UnitedGermanRegions, up and left the region, leaving it at the mercy of invaders,

"...up and left"? Sounds like someone unexpectedly left a birthday party before cake was served. I prefer "departed" but a simple "left" would suffice.

Yeah, I've been trying to find a way of saying it that emphasizes suddenness of his departure. I can't find a way of saying it that sounds formal enough though.

Just because they haven't shown any intention to refound so far, that doesn't mean that they won't do it.

Why is that?

The point? The point is that The Black Riders was invaded and occupied, and occupations always end up with a password lock. Also, you all know as little about what Harenhime plans do as I do. How can you just assume he is being open?

Thanks Kaboom, it must have been a mistake.

You should get a taste of your own mediecine.
you guys have annoyed and angered millions of players.
Why don't you accept that you've been defeated and learn how bad it is to raid and be raided, and change your ways instead of trying to regain power?

We weren't defeated, we adapted. We decided to leave before the first update after going founderless, because we're smart enough to realize that holding on to a founderless region is pointless. I don't actually care who controls the region, I only care about the clear lack of ethics behind the formation of the occupying government. If someone refounded it so it could be used as a trophy, I'd be fine with that. If those who currently control the region refound it however, it would likely be to continue the community currently in it, which is unacceptable. Raiders don't pretend to be natives of the regions they raid, so why should things be different with this raid?

The Black Riders got raided? They kept raiding my regions, which had founder nations. Really fucking annoying. So allow me to celebrate, hehe.

The Black Riders can't count on my sympathy, that much is certain. And my WA nation won't be voting in favour of such a resolution.

I understand that, and respect your opinion. All I ask is that people read what I have to say.

[The Stalker]

A lot in this resolution makes me chuckle. I really doubt the majority of the WA is going to be "Sympathizing with the former citizens of The Black Riders".

Why is that?

Same reason your Commend The Black Riders would never pass. To the masses and average players, who aren't involved in the raiding / defending element of the game, all the TBR did was attack and occupy their regions. The fact the same has happened now to you isn't gonna get you any sympathy, most consider it rather karmic.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Why is that?

Same reason your Commend The Black Riders would never pass. To the masses and average players, who aren't involved in the raiding / defending element of the game, all the TBR did was attack and occupy their regions. The fact the same has happened now to you isn't gonna get you any sympathy, most consider it rather karmic.

Ahhhh, yes. I'm aware of how things are going to go. I'm hoping that people are willing to be mature enough to read my position and consider what I'm saying, and its implications, then make an opinion. And yes, I see the karma, and I accept it. That still doesn't make it right to treat TBR differently from any other region.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Ahhhh, yes. I'm aware of how things are going to go. I'm hoping that people are willing to be mature enough to read my position and consider what I'm saying, and its implications, then make an opinion. And yes, I see the karma, and I accept it. That still doesn't make it right to treat TBR differently from any other region.

Actually it does.
Why should we liberate a region which only gave us constant grief and will only do so in the future? We'd be only helping the enemy reorganize to defeat us and cause us more pain.
So it's not about maturity, it's about knowing the enemy is trying to regain it's power to cause us harm.

But I am not the enemy. I'm not here representing DEN, because most people in DEN don't really care. I am presenting my personal opinion of the situation, and I am pointing to something right in front of everyone's faces that nobody is willing to talk about. The new government of The Black Riders is a corrupt mess, and shouldn't be trusted with such an important part of NationStates history. Those in TBR are unwilling to talk about it, those outside of TBR are unwilling to talk about it.

[Herrebrugh]

Actually it does.
Why should we liberate a region which only gave us constant grief and will only do so in the future? We'd be only helping the enemy reorganize to defeat us and cause us more pain.
So it's not about maturity, it's about knowing the enemy is trying to regain it's power to cause us harm.

But I am not the enemy. I'm not here representing DEN, because most people in DEN don't really care. I am presenting my personal opinion of the situation, and I am pointing to something right in front of everyone's faces that nobody is willing to talk about. The new government of The Black Riders is a corrupt mess, and shouldn't be trusted with such an important part of NationStates history. Those in TBR are unwilling to talk about it, those outside of TBR are unwilling to talk about it.

How were they "important" by any stretch of the imagination? All they did was annoy people with small regions accidentally left with delegate control active.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Actually not a bad idea if I must say. Without the ability to password TBR would have a terrible time trying to hold the region let alone refound it as well. This reminds of me of Liberate Nazi Europe except it is coming from a member of the region.

I support.

[We Are Not the NSA]

But I am not the enemy. I'm not here representing DEN, because most people in DEN don't really care. I am presenting my personal opinion of the situation, and I am pointing to something right in front of everyone's faces that nobody is willing to talk about. The new government of The Black Riders is a corrupt mess, and shouldn't be trusted with such an important part of NationStates history. Those in TBR are unwilling to talk about it, those outside of TBR are unwilling to talk about it.

How were they "important" by any stretch of the imagination? All they did was annoy people with small regions accidentally left with delegate control active.

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Actually not a bad idea if I must say. Without the ability to password TBR would have a terrible time trying to hold the region let alone refound it as well. This reminds of me of Liberate Nazi Europe except it is coming from a member of the region.

I support.

Exactly. It's helpful for all sides. It makes it difficult for the squatters to attempt a refound, and it makes it nearly impossible for raiders to take control.