[Submitted] Liberate Haven

[Chester Pearson]

What makes Haven any different from Nazi Europe? It is just another region....

The reason it matters is because it sets a precedent: former RP havens which were not in the R/D game will now be forced to do exactly just that to exist.

It's just part of the game. Founderless regions will always be targets.

[Democratic Koyro]

The reason it matters is because it sets a precedent: former RP havens which were not in the R/D game will now be forced to do exactly just that to exist.

It's just part of the game. Founderless regions will always be targets.

We don't want to play your silly game. Play it with people who do.

We don't force you to roleplay.

[Cata Larga]

The reason it matters is because it sets a precedent: former RP havens which were not in the R/D game will now be forced to do exactly just that to exist.

It's just part of the game. Founderless regions will always be targets.

Where, pray tell, does it say, explicitly, that NationStates is a game of raiding and defending first and foremost?

[Thoricia]

And what are the cold hard facts here?

The fact that, just like every other region, you're a target and part of the "Great Game" of R/D.

Being a "roleplaying" region doesn't grant you any sort of immunity.

Why shouldn't it? I have no desire to run around screwing with people to get my jollies off, nor do I have the time to get involved in defending, there's always been an unspoken agreement RP regions are to be left alone

If you'll look at this thread and the explosion across NS itself you'll see why

[Registug]

And what are the cold hard facts here?

The fact that, just like every other region, you're a target and part of the "Great Game" of R/D.

Being a "roleplaying" region doesn't grant you any sort of immunity.

I disagree here.

I want to write stories, design tanks, and post those written stories on my RMB, on the RP forums, and post those tanks onthe RMB, and the RP forums.

Raiding threatens my ability to do so, with the possibility to delete what I've posted on the RMB.

"Leave the website if you don't like it" you say. Then I wouldn't be able to do any of that whatsoever.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The reason it matters is because it sets a precedent: former RP havens which were not in the R/D game will now be forced to do exactly just that to exist.

It's just part of the game. Founderless regions will always be targets.

Yes, but RP regions shouldn't be. Also, the proposal doesn't address that, which is why I am opposed to it. It merely sounds like Mall is whining about the password function being a thin veneer to opt out of being raided.

[Itailian Maifias]

The fact that, just like every other region, you're a target and part of the "Great Game" of R/D.

Being a "roleplaying" region doesn't grant you any sort of immunity.

I disagree here.

I want to write stories, design tanks, and post those written stories on my RMB, on the RP forums, and post those tanks onthe RMB, and the RP forums.

Raiding threatens my ability to do so, with the possibility to delete what I've posted on the RMB.

"Leave the website if you don't like it" you say. Then I wouldn't be able to do any of that whatsoever.

She's trolling you mate, better not to respond.

[Electrum]

It's been submitted

[Chester Pearson]

It's just part of the game. Founderless regions will always be targets.

We don't want to play your silly game. Play it with people who do.

We don't force you to roleplay.

I am looking at this from the technical point of view only. The simple fact of the matter is, as long as the liberation function is here, and can be abused it will be. Do I like what Mall is doing here? Hell no! But the facts remain. As long as it CAN be liberated, it is fair game. Just because it is an RP region, doesn't mean it deserves some special immunity, otherwise every other region will be screaming for some sort of immunity. Take it for what its worth I suppose....

[Premislyd]

The fact that, just like every other region, you're a target and part of the "Great Game" of R/D.

Being a "roleplaying" region doesn't grant you any sort of immunity.

I disagree here.

I want to write stories, design tanks, and post those written stories on my RMB, on the RP forums, and post those tanks onthe RMB, and the RP forums.

Raiding threatens my ability to do so, with the possibility to delete what I've posted on the RMB.

"Leave the website if you don't like it" you say. Then I wouldn't be able to do any of that whatsoever.

I'm not seeing how you wouldn't be able to do that.

Create a regional channel on Esper or some other IRC.

Make an off-site forum.

10/10 problem solved.

It's just part of the game. Founderless regions will always be targets.

Yes, but RP regions shouldn't be. Also, the proposal doesn't address that, which is why I am opposed to it. It merely sounds like Mall is whining about the password function being a thin veneer to opt out of being raided.

What makes RP regions any more special than other regions?

[Democratic Koyro]

I disagree here.

I want to write stories, design tanks, and post those written stories on my RMB, on the RP forums, and post those tanks onthe RMB, and the RP forums.

Raiding threatens my ability to do so, with the possibility to delete what I've posted on the RMB.

"Leave the website if you don't like it" you say. Then I wouldn't be able to do any of that whatsoever.

I'm not seeing how you wouldn't be able to do that.

Create a regional channel on Esper or some other IRC.

Make an off-site forum.

10/10 problem solved.

Yes, but RP regions shouldn't be. Also, the proposal doesn't address that, which is why I am opposed to it. It merely sounds like Mall is whining about the password function being a thin veneer to opt out of being raided.

What makes RP regions any more special than other regions?

Because roleplayers don't want to be forced into the silly raider/defender bullcrap.

[Thoricia]

I disagree here.

I want to write stories, design tanks, and post those written stories on my RMB, on the RP forums, and post those tanks onthe RMB, and the RP forums.

Raiding threatens my ability to do so, with the possibility to delete what I've posted on the RMB.

"Leave the website if you don't like it" you say. Then I wouldn't be able to do any of that whatsoever.

I'm not seeing how you wouldn't be able to do that.

Create a regional channel on Esper or some other IRC.

Make an off-site forum.

10/10 problem solved.

Yes, but RP regions shouldn't be. Also, the proposal doesn't address that, which is why I am opposed to it. It merely sounds like Mall is whining about the password function being a thin veneer to opt out of being raided.

What makes RP regions any more special than other regions?

Because we don't want to be involved in the raiding crap

[Mallorea and Riva]

So I submitted this with a puppet of mine, I'll let it have one run and then if it doesn't make it to vote, we'll call it quits. I don't particularly feel like trying to make another attempt if it fails.

[Chester Pearson]

I'm not seeing how you wouldn't be able to do that.

Create a regional channel on Esper or some other IRC.

Make an off-site forum.

10/10 problem solved.



What makes RP regions any more special than other regions?

Because roleplayers don't want to be forced into the silly raider/defender bullcrap.

Then FOUND a region, and the problem goes away....

[Premislyd]

Because we don't want to be involved in the raiding crap

Because roleplayers don't want to be forced into the silly raider/defender bullcrap.

You can only use that card so many times.

[Democratic Koyro]

Because roleplayers don't want to be forced into the silly raider/defender bullcrap.

Then FOUND a region, and the problem goes away....

Some people are happy where they are.

[Chester Pearson]

So I submitted this with a puppet of mine, I'll let it have one run and then if it doesn't make it to vote, we'll call it quits. I don't particularly feel like trying to make another attempt if it fails.

You really are despicable by do this you know?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, but RP regions shouldn't be. Also, the proposal doesn't address that, which is why I am opposed to it. It merely sounds like Mall is whining about the password function being a thin veneer to opt out of being raided.

What makes RP regions any more special than other regions?

That, basically, making RP regions play your R/D game by force of legislation is something very akin to picking on the weak link or, basically, bullying RPers into doing something they don't want to do. There are R/D regions and enough Gameplay regions to contest without actually interrupting RP regions themselves.

[Chester Pearson]

Then FOUND a region, and the problem goes away....

Some people are happy where they are.

Then bitch to Max.... Other than that, the the facts remain as they are.

[Registug]

I disagree here.

I want to write stories, design tanks, and post those written stories on my RMB, on the RP forums, and post those tanks onthe RMB, and the RP forums.

Raiding threatens my ability to do so, with the possibility to delete what I've posted on the RMB.

"Leave the website if you don't like it" you say. Then I wouldn't be able to do any of that whatsoever.

I'm not seeing how you wouldn't be able to do that.

Create a regional channel on Esper or some other IRC.

Make an off-site forum.

10/10 problem solved.

We have and do use them, but others in our community refuse to.
Why should we have to be made to use them, though?
I like that all the stuff I've written is on the RMB, and you can scroll back over it all and read about all the effort we put into this website. I'd rather not have that wasted, like it nearly was.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because we don't want to be involved in the raiding crap

Because roleplayers don't want to be forced into the silly raider/defender bullcrap.

You can only use that card so many times.

At the same time, I am sure the whole "we have a right to rape your regions and make your region our bitch" is getting tiring for them.

[Thoricia]

Because we don't want to be involved in the raiding crap

Because roleplayers don't want to be forced into the silly raider/defender bullcrap.

You can only use that card so many times.

Why do I have to be involved in the silliness that is R/D, why must I be dragged into it kicking and screaming when I have zero desire to be involved in it, I dont know how many different ways I can say it
I have absolutely zero desire to be involved in raiding, please quit trying to drag RPers into it

[Mallorea and Riva]

So I submitted this with a puppet of mine, I'll let it have one run and then if it doesn't make it to vote, we'll call it quits. I don't particularly feel like trying to make another attempt if it fails.

You really are despicable by do this you know?

By doing... what? Only giving this one shot or doing this in general? The whole one shot thing is just because this is an enormous amount of effort that I really cannot expend more than once.

[Premislyd]

R/D game

(Hint: I'm not a gameplayer)

You can only use that card so many times.

At the same time, I am sure the whole "we have a right to rape your regions and make your region our bitch" is getting tiring for them.

Nobody has said that. Please don't put words into our mouths pl0x.

Why do I have to be involved in the silliness that is R/D, why must I be dragged into it kicking and screaming when I have zero desire to be involved in it, I dont know how many different ways I can say it
I have absolutely zero desire to be involved in raiding, please quit trying to drag RPers into it

You wouldn't be raiding. You'd be defending.

[Chester Pearson]

You really are despicable by do this you know?

By doing... what? Only giving this one shot or doing this in general? The whole one shot thing is just because this is an enormous amount of effort that I really cannot expend more than once.

By doing this in general.