[Submitted] Liberate Haven

[The Republic of Lanos]

Did the R/D community magically run out of targets to raid to where they must target roleplaying regions?

Guess so.

[Avenio]

Did the R/D community magically run out of targets to raid to where they must target roleplaying regions?

Guess so.

Kicking over sandcastles on the beach is much easier when the kids who are building them aren't able to fight back, after all.

[Questers]

And if Cormac has a problem with a pro-raiding proposal, there's usually a serious problem with the proposal itself.

It's probably the first time I see you disagree on a pro-raiding proposal.

I don't generally support use of the Security Council as a weapon, the exception to this having been Nazi Europe. I also don't generally raid RP regions, unless they're also involved in Gameplay. A week long embassy with The South Pacific is not "involved in Gameplay."

Annoying the NationStates RP community is counterproductive, particularly for raiders. RPers are numerous, loud, and persistent enough that they could potentially get admins to enact changes that are unfavorable to raiders, so I don't see any reason to continually poke this hornet's nest. There are plenty of non-passworded, non-RP founderless regions in NationStates.

Peaceful co-existence is indeed possible.

[Rephesus]

You want to remove the password that is protecting a historically important region so it can become just another region to be vandalized by raiders? Why is this even a proposal?

[Applebania]

You want to remove the password that is protecting a historically important region so it can become just another region to be vandalized by raiders? Why is this even a proposal?

Because Mall.

[Tim-Opolis]

Mall, I must admit, you do make a good case. The reactions to the proposal in the thread, especially those who are already getting warned for just their initial comments, are amusing. I'll Abstain, I guess. I'm in no way a fan of weaponizing the Security Council for something like this, but I've got no love for Haven and am frankly tired of those who choose to play our R/D Game and then claim they should be protected from it themselves.

[Applebania]

Mall, I must admit, you do make a good case. The reactions to the proposal in the thread, especially those who are already getting warned for just their initial comments, are amusing. I'll Abstain, I guess. I'm in no way a fan of weaponizing the Security Council for something like this, but I've got no love for Haven and am frankly tired of those who choose to play our R/D Game and then claim they should be protected from it themselves.

As I stated in my repeal of the proposal, the evidence for Haven involvement in Milograd's coup d'etat of The South Pacific is spurious at best.

[Fartsniffage]

Mall, I must admit, you do make a good case. The reactions to the proposal in the thread, especially those who are already getting warned for just their initial comments, are amusing. I'll Abstain, I guess. I'm in no way a fan of weaponizing the Security Council for something like this, but I've got no love for Haven and am frankly tired of those who choose to play our R/D Game and then claim they should be protected from it themselves.

"But officer, it can't be rape. She consented once, over a year ago...."

[Minnysota]

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[Vetok]

Mall, I must admit, you do make a good case. The reactions to the proposal in the thread, especially those who are already getting warned for just their initial comments, are amusing. I'll Abstain, I guess. I'm in no way a fan of weaponizing the Security Council for something like this, but I've got no love for Haven and am frankly tired of those who choose to play our R/D Game and then claim they should be protected from it themselves.

So you've not actually read any of the reactions at all then? If you had, you'd have noticed that people have pointed out more than a few times that Haven hasn't actually participated in R/D, at least not in this particular instance.

[Crysuko]

You have our support for this, regions should not be allowed to stagnate in such a slow heat-death-of-the-universe sort of manner. We will provide any support should it be deemed needed for us to do so.

[Fartsniffage]

You have our support for this, regions should not be allowed to stagnate in such a slow heat-death-of-the-universe sort of manner. We will provide any support should it be deemed needed for us to do so.

Why not?

[Questers]

I'm not familiar with exactly when Haven passworded itself, so if that four year figure needs adjusting one way or the other that information would be appreciated.

The date is 2004 by the way.

[Crysuko]

You have our support for this, regions should not be allowed to stagnate in such a slow heat-death-of-the-universe sort of manner. We will provide any support should it be deemed needed for us to do so.

Why not?

What do you mean?

[Fartsniffage]

Why not?

What do you mean?

Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?

[Vetok]

Why not?

What do you mean?

Why are you permitted to dictate what another region chooses to do? Are we now permitted to draft proposals to let us have your region password locked and the password hidden?

[Crysuko]

What do you mean?

Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?

If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Just as a note I'm on my phone right now and unable to fully respond until a bit later, but I'm glad to see that the date of the pw has been given! I'll address the arguments above point by point later tonight.

[Minnysota]

If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.

Wow it's too bad you don't have the authority to enforce this genius.

[Questers]

Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?

If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.

Except you're wrong, regions are not "meant for actual action," thats why passwords exist.

[Fartsniffage]

Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?

If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.

Who says that player regions are meant for action?

And if that's Mall's point then it's fucking hypocritical given his actions towards one of the feeder regions not so long back. Where the hell are people not interested in the raiding part of the game supposed to go if the feeder regions aren't safe and neither are password protected regions?

[Thoricia]

Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?

If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.

Wow, you obviously have no idea about the RP forums on this website, where all the members of Haven are active

[The Republic of Lanos]

Where the hell are people not interested in the raiding part of the game supposed to go if the feeder regions aren't safe and neither are password protected regions?

I'm quite certain we should make our own regions named after us and lock ourselves in with our puppets to fully escape the R/D game.

That is, if these regions don't get targeted next.

[Revanchism]

Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?

If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.

This makes no sense whatsoever and I hope you know that.

[Crysuko]

support withdrawn. if you're going to be so aggressive and animalistic about it.

And don't for one second imply I don't know how things work. I dip my toe in this pond and have it bitten off, way to make an impression.