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Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:10 am**

I have absolutely nothing to do with the above proposal in the spoiler. Apparently people decided that this would be the forum for the current repeal, but whatever.

The following project has been cancelled. Please do not talk about it.

Repeal "Liberate Christmas"

Aware that Christmas is a region treasured for its name,

Appalled that Christmas has been subjected to almost weekly raids by multiple raider groups including The Black Riders,

Concerned that Christmas, a quiet,docile community, has no means of fending off these attacks,

Believing that any future raids of Christmas can be prevented by allowing a delegate to impose a password visible to residents,

Hereby repeals SC #95 "Liberate Christmas"

Submission pending Christmas Delegate

Comments, suggestions, concerns?
http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/council=2/start=94

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:52 am**

Does anyone have any problems with this repeal?

I am relatively new to how the SC works and I would appreciate any help.

Currently I am working with Christmas to see if they can produce a native delegate.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:54 am**

Why repeal it before they have a Delegate? That seems to counteract all the logic in your proposal.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:05 am**

Good point, that is why I have placed it in the draft section. Not straight up to the floor.

But any other technical issues, illegalities, or other stuff?

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:07 am**

The Isles of Random wrote:But any other technical issues, illegalities, or other stuff?

No, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should submit. Even the natives of Christmas could get their own Delegate (which they have shown a stark propensity to not do in the past, hence why the Liberation was necessary in the first place), that's not really a good enough reason to repeal the Liberation in this case, IMHO.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:10 am**

This was my text to repeal SC#95. It contains a lot more material, as you can see.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:17 am**

Well I guess we will see if I can get Christmas to get a delegate

I'll put this on hold until they do

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:19 am**

Repealing Liberate Christmas would certainly spell it's death in raider hands. Various raider orgs. have been targeting Christmas for refounding for years and having the ability to place a password would be catastrophic for the region. Liberate Christmas was one of the most significant Liberations to pass the SC. Furthermore, this feels like repealing for repealing's sake. AGAINST.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:20 am**

I agree with Eist on this one as well. Liberate Christmas had some inordinately large amount of discussion when it came up (most of which I was in attack mode for), and it's a region that is probably better off, in the end, keeping the Liberation.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:27 am**

Eist wrote:Repealing Liberate Christmas would certainly spell it's death in raider hands. Various raider orgs. have been targeting Christmas for refounding for years and having the ability to place a password would be catastrophic for the region. Liberate Christmas was one of the most significant Liberations to pass the SC. Furthermore, this feels like repealing for repealing's sake. AGAINST.

Ambassador, I only intend to submit this if the Christmas natives are willing to get their own delegate.

And no it is not repealing for repealing's sake. Over the last month, there has been two raids by the The Black Riders, as well as several raids by lesser known groups. And for each invasion, there has been a rescue by someone else.

Again, this is on hold until Christmas nations get a delegate.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:29 am**

If you're scrambling just to get a native Delegate in place, I guarantee you TBR or some other group will have double those WA numbers by the time a repeal passes. Raiders would snatch the region, and we'd have to go through this same song and dance all over again.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:34 am**

If you can get a trustworthy and enduring delegate that can hold over 30 endorsements for over 12 months, then I will support this resolution. Until then, I consider the region vulnerable and will not support removing the liberation currently in place.

In short, just having some delegate in place is not even close to a compelling reason to remove the liberation.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:44 am**

Very much against this!

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:51 am**

Gulden wrote:Very much against this!

Great one-liner debut...

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:53 am**

Eist wrote:If you can get a trustworthy and enduring delegate that can hold over 30 endorsements for over 12 months, then I will support this resolution. Until then, I consider the region vulnerable and will not support removing the liberation currently in place.

In short, just having some delegate in place is not even close to a compelling reason to remove the liberation.

I now see how this would not work. I will withdraw my proposal. Thank you for your consideration.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:05 am**

Thanks for understanding! I'm sorry for you that this didn't work out.

Posted: **Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:46 am**

Magnificent. The Black Riders can raid and tag that dump again and again and again... and natives cannot put it behind a lock. We can have our Never ending Black Christmas forever!

Posted: **Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:54 am**

http://www.nationstates.net/region=christmas

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5896567

"If it succeeds, one of you will be endorsed as delegate and the Meritocratic Liberation Army's troops will return to base and you'll be our protectorate"

Yay for utter destruction of a region at the hands of noobs

Posted: **Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:02 pm**

Port blood wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/region=christmas

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5896567

"If it succeeds, one of you will be endorsed as delegate and the Meritocratic Liberation Army's troops will return to base and you'll be our protectorate"

Yay for utter destruction of a region at the hands of noobs

It's not going to make quorum. Even if it does it won't pass....

Posted: **Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:56 pm**

Port blood wrote:http://www.nationstates.net/region=christmas

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=5896567

"If it succeeds, one of you will be endorsed as delegate and the Meritocratic Liberation Army's troops will return to base and you'll be our protectorate"

Yay for utter destruction of a region at the hands of noobs

Oh, how lovely. They will be in command just long enough for the next raider group to pimpslap em out of power and back into obscurity. And the cycle will begin again. The liberation will always be there, and any of these noob fenda groups that do a little reading into why it's there in the first place will know why it will never be repealed.

Posted: **Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:21 pm**

The sad part is that using a sleeper a decent defender organization can liberate and refound,i wonder why the main groups never collaborated to do this

Posted: **Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:24 am**

Hmm... I am not affiliated with the current repeal attempt. Just saying. But I will put the current one on the original post for those interested.

Posted: **Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:01 pm**

After my brief conversation with Eist, I will not be supporting any form of repeal of "Liberate Christmas" until a native delegate is in firm control of the region.

And to the ambassador from Port Blood, the "noob" delegate was overthrown by a sleeper cell of some region I don't know.

I am done with Christmas.

Posted: **Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:53 pm**

This seems unnecessary at the current point in time and not conducive to the regions' best interests.

And it's April for goodness sake! I don't like to be reminded of Christmas until December 24th at the earliest!

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:10 am**

The problem with Christmas is that there is no "best interest" of the region. The natives do not care.

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[CANCELLED] Repeal "Liberate Christmas"

[CANCELLED] Repeal "Liberate Christmas"