[WITHDRAWN] Liberate The Jedi Council

[Sedgistan]

Liberate The Jedi Council

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region


Category: Liberation


Nominee (region): The Jedi Council


Proposed by: FJK puppets

Description: Reintegrate the Jedi Council

Description: Remove the current password protection suffered by the Jedi Council.

PERCEIVING that the history of the Jedi Council is long and that currently the region is protected by a lost password;

ACKNOWLEDGE that members of the Jedi Council have requested to be free of this protection, but is unable to achieve this by ourselves;

UNDERSTANDING that password protection is a construct of the World Assembly;

FURTHER that the current situation is not what the password protection construct was made for;

HEREBY requires the World Assembly to remove the password protection of the Jedi Council.

I didn't write this resolution, or have anything to do with it, but I've noticed that its in the queue (with 77 approvals), and that there's no discussion thread.

[Sedgistan]

I've been told by someone (and am awaiting proof) that Free Jedi Knights (aka FJK puppets, who proposed this resolution), originally put the password on the region (which he admits on the RMB) and that he was holding the region hostage. If The Jedi Mercs, who is the last nation left, wants to get the password off, the best bet would be for him to coordinate a re-founding with Free Jedi Knights. The fact that he hasn't suggests to me that there is something slightly amiss with this proposal.

[Unibot]

The natives lost the password, and their founder died -- but the proposal was going to fail to make quorum, so I proposal campaigned a few hundred delegates once I talked to some of the jedi natives, it seems like a noble, and genuine cause to me.

Its poorly worded, but if it is passed, it can later be repealed, as the password won't return automatically after the repeal (I wouldn't think).

[Kalibarr]

Have you asked the Sith what they feel about this?

This is one of the few liberation's I'll support

[Topid]

I don't understand why this can't be handled without the WA. If merc just leaves the region... it can be refounded without our help.

I think we are forgetting Ard's general rule.

[Travancore-Cochin]

I don't understand why this can't be handled without the WA. If merc just leaves the region... it can be refounded without our help.

I think we are forgetting Ard's general rule.

Topid's right. The region would simply die off if the last remaining nation left.

They could then do a re-found, as simple as that. Now, This is a waste of the WA's time.

[Unibot]

I don't understand why this can't be handled without the WA. If merc just leaves the region... it can be refounded without our help.

I think we are forgetting Ard's general rule.

Topid's right. The region would simply die off if the last remaining nation left.

They could then do a re-found, as simple as that. Now, This is a waste of the WA's time.

The natives don't want to risk a refounding.

Its not a waste of time, its just one of the few non-objective liberations you'll ever see (I must be drinking Old Man Eloquence's cool aid).

[Nordicus]

The natives don't want to risk a refounding.

Why would they be afraid of refounding? Heck, the founder could just password-protect the new region (and write down the password this time, as the old password was evidently lost), and send the password to the original members that he wants to invite back.

I fail to see any reason why this requires WA intervention.

[Goobergunchia]

I saw this at proposal stage a while ago, and sent them a telegram suggesting alternative methods of refounding eir region, as well as offering assistance. I never got a response back.

[Lagaphroaig]

Liberate The Jedi Council

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region. My emphasizing. I can't see anywhere is the text that there is referred to "free entry". Poorly written. Should be dismissed.

[Sedgistan]

At present, this is due to be the next resolution to be voted upon. If the last remaining nation in The Jedi Council (The Jedi Mercs) is not in vacation mode & doesn't log in again, then he (along with the region) will CTE while the resolution is being voted on. This would create quite a problem - would any moderator/admin action be taken?

[Nordicus]

I would just like to state again that I am opposed to this liberation out of principle.

The region is inactive (as evidenced by the sole remaining member not having logged in for the last 22 days), the password was lost (it was not added by invaders, but by the legitimate delegate), and the region could be refounded without problems if the member nations would simply make the effort. There is neither any need for a liberation, nor any compelling reason for one.

[Travancore-Cochin]

Why would they be afraid of refounding?

There is an inherent risk in refounding as once the original region dies off during update, anybody can found it.

Though in this case, had the natives not approached the WA with this resolution, they'd have been able to quietly refound in their corner of the globe without incident.

[Enn]

I've raised an inquiry in Technical to try and work out what happens in the event of CTEing, and whether any re-founded region would still be considered Liberated.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

According to the other natives : The native is on vacation mode, he won't CTE before the resolution reaches the floor. The nation in question is not very active, every 50 days or so, and probably doesn't understand when the others are suggesting to leave to "refound".

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I think this is a rather weird situation: the region has no delegate and no active founder as well. Invasion is definitely ruled out of this scenario, so probably refounding may be the only option.

[Enn]

I've raised an inquiry in Technical to try and work out what happens in the event of CTEing, and whether any re-founded region would still be considered Liberated.

Which [violet] has answered. Apparently not going to be a problem in this case, if the nation is in Vacation Mode, but still good to know for the future.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

DISCLAIMER: This proposal was withdrawn (by author's request) from the queue on Dec 22 2009. The Jedi Council safely conducted a refounding at the Major update with the Council of Free Jedi Knights as the new founder. It appears as if the last native finally did respond to their telegrams and they were able to arrange the refounding.

[Sedgistan]

Good news, and I've edited the topic title accordingly.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The honoured ambassador to Charlotte Ryberg congratulates the resolving of the Jedi Council region control mystery.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

DISCLAIMER: This proposal was withdrawn (by author's request) from the queue on Dec 22 2009. The Jedi Council safely conducted a refounding at the Major update with the Council of Free Jedi Knights as the new founder. It appears as if the last native finally did respond to their telegrams and they were able to arrange the refounding.

Off-topic, but have there been any other queued proposals that have been either withdrawn or deleted by a moderator? It seemed like there were a lot in queue before, but now there's just one.

[Topid]

DISCLAIMER: This proposal was withdrawn (by author's request) from the queue on Dec 22 2009. The Jedi Council safely conducted a refounding at the Major update with the Council of Free Jedi Knights as the new founder. It appears as if the last native finally did respond to their telegrams and they were able to arrange the refounding.

Off-topic, but have there been any other queued proposals that have been either withdrawn or deleted by a moderator? It seemed like there were a lot in queue before, but now there's just one.

No, it was just mine and the two liberations before mine went to vote.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

DISCLAIMER: This proposal was withdrawn (by author's request) from the queue on Dec 22 2009. The Jedi Council safely conducted a refounding at the Major update with the Council of Free Jedi Knights as the new founder. It appears as if the last native finally did respond to their telegrams and they were able to arrange the refounding.

Off-topic, but have there been any other queued proposals that have been either withdrawn or deleted by a moderator? It seemed like there were a lot in queue before, but now there's just one.

I don't think so, but I could double check. "Liberate Utopia" was in the queue behind all of the other SC proposals which were defeated last week in that quadruple hat-trick.