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Postby Slaytesics » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:53 pm

Noting, that The Scandinvans have the largest slave market in the world. Also noting that The Scandinvans has used its power to bully and use people who disobey his will and in inexplicable ways. Also noting, with the introduction of his new "Slave Market" It has adolescent sex slaves, clearly against the law.

Hereby States that:
1)The Scandinvans be Condemned by the WA as a whole, no exceptions.

2)The Scandinvans may apply for removal of the condemnation if they stop selling of all slaves until they repeal to the General Assembly why they should be given their "Slave Market" back

Overall:
Knowing that The Scandinvans is selling minors a "sex slaves", as well as using racist opinions on the price of their "stock" discriminating all but the caucasian race, putting them at the highest price. Hereby, this bill condemns The Scandinvans for breaking the actual law of Australia, as well as selling minors 11+ as "sex slaves" as well as bullying many Nations, and using their population to further induce his Tyranny.

LINK TO THREAD:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27845
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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:55 pm

This reeks of Security Council business.
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Postby The Scandinvans » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:57 pm

This is a matter for mods in the context of the thread.
We are the Glorious Empire of the Scandinvans. Surrender or be destroyed. Your civilization has ended, your time is over. Your people will be assimilated into our Empire. Your technological distinctiveness shall be added to our own. Your culture shall be supplanted by our own. And your lands will be made into our lands.

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Postby Slaytesics » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:57 pm

Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:This reeks of Security Council business.

so should we get a mod to move it to security council?
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:58 pm

Slaytesics wrote:
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:This reeks of Security Council business.

so should we get a mod to move it to security council?


That would be the obligatory course of action...
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:58 pm

Slaytesics wrote:
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:This reeks of Security Council business.

so should we get a mod to move it to security council?

Why yes! Yes, I believe that would be a splendid thing for you to do.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:00 pm

RL has nothing to do with NS.
WA rules state this.

on everything else, it's condemnable

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Postby Slaytesics » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:01 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:RL has nothing to do with NS.
WA rules state this.

on everything else, it's condemnable

Yes, but, with laws sketchy like this, it is important to know that this person would be breaking the law in the country that hosts the servers of NS.
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:06 pm

I'm confused as to what's actually going on here.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Slaytesics » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:08 pm

A mean old man wrote:I'm confused as to what's actually going on here.

THe Scandinvans has started to sell minors (10-18 year olds) in his Slave Market.
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:11 pm

Ah, is this RP?

I repeat what was already said, though - you need to remove the RL references. Make a statement on how this is morally indecent or something, but don't include references from the actual RL law of Australia. It may be accurate, and I'm not disagreeing with you and saying that it isn't, but you can't do it.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Bazatia » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:11 pm

Well, there was a IC thread where The Scandinvans opened up a slave trade. Personally, I don't endorse slaves at all, but it was an IC thread, so I don't see how we can Comdemn them. You couldn't condemn a nation that RPs invading a neutral country, so I don't see how you could Comdemn The Scandinvans.
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:12 pm

Bazatia wrote:Well, there was a IC thread where The Scandinvans opened up a slave trade. Personally, I don't endorse slaves at all, but it was an IC thread, so I don't see how we can Comdemn them. You couldn't condemn a nation that RPs invading a neutral country, so I don't see how you could Comdemn The Scandinvans.


No, we've been working RPing into C&Cs recently.

EDIT: RPing of this category.
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A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Slaytesics » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:15 pm

Bazatia wrote:Well, there was a IC thread where The Scandinvans opened up a slave trade. Personally, I don't endorse slaves at all, but it was an IC thread, so I don't see how we can Comdemn them. You couldn't condemn a nation that RPs invading a neutral country, so I don't see how you could Comdemn The Scandinvans.

Me and him have a war over slavery. But this isn't about the war, it is about him breaking the law WAY TO BRUTALLY
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:20 pm

*sigh...*

But you can't mention real-world laws in WA proposals...

You'll just have to find another argument to base your attack on him for.

Look, these are just the rules; I'm only relaying them to you.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Slaytesics » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:24 pm

A mean old man wrote:*sigh...*

But you can't mention real-world laws in WA proposals...

You'll just have to find another argument to base your attack on him for.

Look, these are just the rules; I'm only relaying them to you.



He is selling 10 year olds as sex slave, practically raping of minors. Is that enough?
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Postby NERVUN » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:27 pm

Thread moved to SC, FOR THE TIME BEING. The legality of the proposal is being looked at.
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NERVUN wrote:Thread moved to SC, FOR THE TIME BEING. The legality of the proposal is being looked at.

Thank You
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:57 am

The current draft, apart from its inapplicable RL references, seems a bit confused about whether it's referring IC to a nation or OOC to that nation's player...
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:38 pm

I see that slave trade is being roleplayed here, but real-real world references are not allowed, and there is no need for a link to prove it in the proposal text itself.

Bear in mind that the draft can only condemn and nothing else, therefore:
2)The Scandinvans may apply for removal of the condemnation if they stop selling of all slaves until they repeal to the General Assembly why they should be given their "Slave Market" back

The above statement is not legal.

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Postby The Scandinvans » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:28 pm

Slaytesics wrote:
Bazatia wrote:Well, there was a IC thread where The Scandinvans opened up a slave trade. Personally, I don't endorse slaves at all, but it was an IC thread, so I don't see how we can Comdemn them. You couldn't condemn a nation that RPs invading a neutral country, so I don't see how you could Comdemn The Scandinvans.

Me and him have a war over slavery. But this isn't about the war, it is about him breaking the law WAY TO BRUTALLY
Well. You seem to fail to grasp the fact that this rp is merely my attempt, at least in small measure, to actually highlight the real world problems of the enslavement of both adults and minors for sexual purposes.
We are the Glorious Empire of the Scandinvans. Surrender or be destroyed. Your civilization has ended, your time is over. Your people will be assimilated into our Empire. Your technological distinctiveness shall be added to our own. Your culture shall be supplanted by our own. And your lands will be made into our lands.

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Postby A mean old man » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:43 pm

...and the resolution is ILLEGAL due to RL references and for stating terms (not the function of a SC resolution), which I have repetitively told Slaytesics and which he refuses to acknowledge...
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A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby A mean old man » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:48 pm

The Scandinvans wrote:
Slaytesics wrote:
Bazatia wrote:Well, there was a IC thread where The Scandinvans opened up a slave trade. Personally, I don't endorse slaves at all, but it was an IC thread, so I don't see how we can Comdemn them. You couldn't condemn a nation that RPs invading a neutral country, so I don't see how you could Comdemn The Scandinvans.

Me and him have a war over slavery. But this isn't about the war, it is about him breaking the law WAY TO BRUTALLY
Well. You seem to fail to grasp the fact that this rp is merely my attempt, at least in small measure, to actually highlight the real world problems of the enslavement of both adults and minors for sexual purposes.


Well, if you were RPing as having your nation doing it, I think it basically holds your nation responsible. If you're RPing your nation as an evil nation, why not let it be condemned?

Although Slaytesics is doing this the wrong way.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Lizardiar » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:51 pm

While the Scandinavians have done most of what they are charged against. If you condemn them for Slavery, you must condemn all nations who use slavery. This surely is an illegal condemnation.

(ooc: About the minors, Is it not possible that they have a lower age of consent? It is sickening to us, we know, but it is exactly this kind of stand on the issue of Age of Consent, that makes this game as popular as it is.)
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:12 pm

Slaytesics wrote:Noting, that The Scandinvans have the largest slave market in the world. Also noting that The Scandinvans has used its power to bully and use people who disobey his will and in inexplicable ways. Also noting, with the introduction of his new "Slave Market" It has adolescent sex slaves, clearly against the law in the actual countries of, Australia(where the NS server is hosted) the United States, most if not all of Europe(though not enforced strongly enough) and many other major countries around the actual world.

Hereby States that:
1)The Scandinvans be Condemned by the WA as a whole, no exceptions.

2)The Scandinvans may apply for removal of the condemnation if they stop selling of all slaves until they repeal to the General Assembly why they should be given their "Slave Market" back

Overall:
Knowing that The Scandinvans is selling minors a "sex slaves", as well as using racist opinions on the price of their "stock" discriminating all but the caucasian race, putting them at the highest price. Hereby, this bill condemns The Scandinvans for breaking the actual law of Australia, as well as selling minors 11+ as "sex slaves" as well as bullying many Nations, and using their population to further induce his Tyranny.

LINK TO THREAD:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27845
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Adolescent (11-14): $48,000
Young Adult (15-18): $65,000
Prime Adult (19-25): $62,000
Adult (26-30): $30,000
Middle Age (31-35): $10,000


The NS server is not hosted in Australia, so that right there puts this out for me because if somebody must use untruths to push their agenda the legitimacy of the remainder must be called into question as well. Also, this is using RW references and threats of RW illegality to legitimize an attack on an RP, which is basically nothing more than amateur storytelling. This condemnation has no merit whatsoever.
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