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[LACK OF SUPPORT] Repeal "Liberate Democratia"

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[LACK OF SUPPORT] Repeal "Liberate Democratia"

Postby SkyDip » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Repeal "Liberate Democratia"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#11 | Proposed by: SkyDip



Description: The Security Council:

APPRECIATING the purpose of SC#11 to remove an invader-imposed password on Democratia placed by The Axis of Evil,

CONFIDENT that SC#11 carried out the intended purpose of
  1. allowing native nations to take control of Democratia
  2. allowing for the expulsion of invader nations,
REALIZING that Democratia now has an active Founder and that the position of World Assembly Delegate in the region is non-administrative,

FURTHER REALIZING that in such a capacity, any World Assembly Delegate of Democratia cannot place a password on the region, thereby disallowing invading nations to seize control of the region,

BELIEVING that Democratia is now fully recovered from the events that culminated in the passage of SC#11 and the subsequent aftermath thereof and that SC#11 is now entirely superfluous and unnecessary,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#11.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Communist Eraser » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:26 pm

Against.

The re-founded Democratia was built a a Peacezone. Fundamental to Peacezone theory is the reduction of as much delegate authority as possible. This has many intepretations, and while it's set as an non-exec delegate at the moment, it is a valid inteperation of Peacezone theory for it to be set as an exec-delegate in the future where the delegate can not set a password.

Edit: Since I'm famous now for Peacezone theory, I might as well out myself. I am not the founder (whose identity I know and shall keep secret), but am currently the other nation there. Democratia was my first experiment to make Peacezone, before I focused on Eastern Europe. EE modifies Peacezone Theory somewhat though, and so I want to keep Democratia seperate.
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Postby SkyDip » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:59 pm

Communist Eraser wrote:<snip>

So basically, the entirety of the WA and the SC should allow a now utterly pointless Liberation to remain in place..to sate your ego? To keep an unnecessary Liberation in place when there is an active founder nation just so you can retain possession of a pet project?

I'll have to hear something stronger than that, sorry.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby SkyDip » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:52 am

Bamp. Thoughts, ideas?
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby New Carloso » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:26 pm

SkyDip wrote:Bamp. Thoughts, ideas?

I am afraid that does tentacles will do nasty things to me in my sleep. I approve!
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Postby Mahaj » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:24 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Communist Eraser wrote:<snip>

So basically, the entirety of the WA and the SC should allow a now utterly pointless Liberation to remain in place..to sate your ego? To keep an unnecessary Liberation in place when there is an active founder nation just so you can retain possession of a pet project?

I'll have to hear something stronger than that, sorry.

What happens if the founder ceases to exist?

Good to have some protection on the region.

Against.
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<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Eist » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:26 pm

AGAINST. At best, this is pointless.
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Postby Democratic Dachshund » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:37 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Communist Eraser wrote:<snip>

So basically, the entirety of the WA and the SC should allow a now utterly pointless Liberation to remain in place..to sate your ego? To keep an unnecessary Liberation in place when there is an active founder nation just so you can retain possession of a pet project?

I'll have to hear something stronger than that, sorry.


Posting to show I am this nation.

Well yes. The only active nations remaining in the region want to live with the additional conditions. They had an unique idea after looking what was already there. It's not like I'm asking for a liberation in the first place just for a project. On the other hand, removing it is deliberately trying to interfere other people's fun.

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Postby Republican Schutzbund » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:20 pm

I am opposed as well.

To me, it seems this has no reason to exist other than to be a +1 in SkyDip's resolution count - and the fact he couldn't come up with a single positive argument (a negative, limited in time "now it's not necessary!" shouldn't suffice to waste four days of the Security Council and remove the effects of a Liberation on a region) tells a lot about the quality of the text.

Alternatively, you can try and force a repeal against the wishes of the affected region.
Good luck with that.

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Postby SkyDip » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:55 pm

We've established that all two people in the affected regions are against. Anybody else want to chime in on this now defunct Liberation?
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Abacathea » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:47 pm

SkyDip wrote:We've established that all two people in the affected regions are against. Anybody else want to chime in on this now defunct Liberation?


To be frank I'd be with Dip on this. The SC goes nuts when someone who obviously wants a badge attempts to get and or keep one but in this instance is turning a blind eye? What utter bollox it should be one rule for all not for some.

And considering its already been pointed out that this region only has two members it's hardly high up the list on TDR's or any other raiding regions list of "shit we gotta fuck up today".

The whole point of a liberation should at its core be a temporary measure. It's on the books until a region is strong enough to stand on its own. What's the point in leaving a peacekeeping operation in a place that no longer needs it?
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Postby Mahaj » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:51 pm

Abacathea wrote:
SkyDip wrote:We've established that all two people in the affected regions are against. Anybody else want to chime in on this now defunct Liberation?


To be frank I'd be with Dip on this. The SC goes nuts when someone who obviously wants a badge attempts to get and or keep one but in this instance is turning a blind eye? What utter bollox it should be one rule for all not for some.

And considering its already been pointed out that this region only has two members it's hardly high up the list on TDR's or any other raiding regions list of "shit we gotta fuck up today".

The whole point of a liberation should at its core be a temporary measure. It's on the books until a region is strong enough to stand on its own. What's the point in leaving a peacekeeping operation in a place that no longer needs it?

Because nobody is hurt by the operation staying in place, but four days of SC time is wasted by removing it.
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby SkyDip » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:34 am

Mahaj wrote:
Abacathea wrote:
To be frank I'd be with Dip on this. The SC goes nuts when someone who obviously wants a badge attempts to get and or keep one but in this instance is turning a blind eye? What utter bollox it should be one rule for all not for some.

And considering its already been pointed out that this region only has two members it's hardly high up the list on TDR's or any other raiding regions list of "shit we gotta fuck up today".

The whole point of a liberation should at its core be a temporary measure. It's on the books until a region is strong enough to stand on its own. What's the point in leaving a peacekeeping operation in a place that no longer needs it?

Because nobody is hurt by the operation staying in place, but four days of SC time is wasted by removing it.

On the flip side, nobody is hurt by removing the Liberation seeing as how it's now pointless and totally null, and cleaning house in the SC is only considered a waste of time by those nations too lazy to do so.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Bears Disarmed » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:40 am

SkyDip wrote:We've established that all two people in the affected regions are against. Anybody else want to chime in on this now defunct Liberation?

I've just revived this nation, which accidentally CTEd during the summer: Make that "all three" of the region's natives now opposing this suggested repeal.

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Postby SkyDip » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:16 am

*sigh*
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Mahaj » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:59 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Mahaj wrote:Because nobody is hurt by the operation staying in place, but four days of SC time is wasted by removing it.

On the flip side, nobody is hurt by removing the Liberation seeing as how it's now pointless and totally null, and cleaning house in the SC is only considered a waste of time by those nations too lazy to do so.

As I've said, this is not true.

If the founder ceases to exist, it is helpful to the region's security to have that protection in place.

Let's keep it.
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Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations


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