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Condemn Unibot III

Postby Durkadurkiranistan II » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:09 pm

In this thread we discuss my resolution, Condemn Unibot III. Was at quorum until Mahaj and Cormac ran a campaign of deceit, lies, and slander against my good word.

MODEDIT: Proposal text added for clarity.
Description: The WA Security Council,

Recognizing Unibot III as a vocal nation in the international community, and as the founder of the United Defenders League,

Noting that Unibot III has a regrettable history of trying to manipulate and subvert democratic regions such as the South Pacific, the North Pacific, and Balder, which collectively contain nearly 10,000 nations,

Recalling when Unibot III enabled ballot stuffing in the South Pacific as a means of ensuring that the region would not become allied with a political enemy of the United Defenders League, when Unibot III harassed members of the South Pacific extensively for disagreeing with its policies, and when Unibot III assumed the delegacy of the South Pacific without having been elected to the position,

Angered that Unibot III's predecessor state supported a violent and bloody coup of the North Pacific by Durkadurkiranistan II, which is a nation that the Security Council has condemned,

Disappointed that the self-proclaimed "defender of sovereignty" has endorsed the practice of espionage in the Pacifics, which occurred when Ravania Ultima, a UDL officer, stole private information from the North Pacific, and has even gone as far as to condone it within the organization it leads,

Also Recalling the nation's abusive treatment of former members of the United Defenders League, and its attempts at slandering many noble nations such as McMasterdonia, or the nations of the New Inquisition,

Shocked that Unibot III has intentionally acted against the best interests of the defender movement by slandering honorable organizations such as TITO, and by routinely attempting to rewrite the history of defenders,

Firmly believing that aforementioned aspects of Unibot III's conduct are similar to that of an extremist terrorist organization, and that terrorism is something which the Security Council does not approve of and must stand against,

Hereby Condemns Unibot III for its subversive actions and contributions to international terrorist efforts.
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Postby Eist » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:27 pm

"Firmly believing that aforementioned aspects of Unibot III's conduct are similar to that of an extremist terrorist organization, and that terrorism is something which the Security Council does not approve of and must stand against,"

Is massively hyperbolic, bordering on absurd. The rest seems well researched, though. I'm just not sure what compelled you to end with that.
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Postby Karpathos » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:30 pm

The truth, perhaps. Your signature quote is ironic seeing as Unibot himself has admitted to tracking down NS players in RL through IPs and Facebook. That's terrifying if you ask me.
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Postby Lowell Leber » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:05 am

I am not necessarily claiming that these accusations are untrue, but some evidence should be provided I would think? Evidence that the whole Security Council would be able to see if and/or when this comes to a vote. I say this not as a member of the UDL, but as an independent nation who will be voting on this if it does come to vote.
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Postby Karpathos » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:09 am

When has a condemnation EVER required evidence to be supplied other than the written text of the proposal?
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Postby Lowell Leber » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:25 am

I am not saying it is required by any means, I just believe it should be provided. Why? Because evidence that proved the claims in this proposal would undoubtedly make it more likely to pass. Besides most if not all roleplaying Condemnations have links providing evidence, so why not for Gameplay related proposals?
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Postby Terravoss » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:00 am

Wow the guy quits the game and now we lay the boots to him when he is not here to defend himself. Real classy.

Durkadurkiranistan II wrote:Was at quorum until Mahaj and Cormac ran a campaign of deceit, lies, and slander against my good totally fabricated because Unibot has made me look like an ass so many times word.


Fixed that typo for you there. :p

Karpathos wrote:When has a condemnation EVER required evidence to be supplied other than the written text of the proposal?


Apparently you didn't get the memo. It seems we now actually have to PROVE the accusations we make in the Security Council, because as we all know the SC is the epitome of truth and justice. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:19 am

Terravoss wrote:Fixed that typo for you there. :p


So you don't actually have any point of your own to make and just want to try and look clever? Shame you failed at it.

Karpathos wrote:When has a condemnation EVER required evidence to be supplied other than the written text of the proposal?


Matter of personal opinion I guess, where proposals reference events I'm not familiar with I quite like some evidence to back it up. Obviously since most of the actions of Unibot are well known it's not as much of an issue here.
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Postby Terravoss » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:30 am

Vladisvok Destino wrote:
Terravoss wrote:Fixed that typo for you there. :p


So you don't actually have any point of your own to make and just want to try and look clever? Shame you failed at it.


Oh the point was well made, quite nicely, and a jab was thrown, all in one neat little package. Actually the bigger shame here, is you failing to recognize smart-assery at its finest. :roll:
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Postby Hirota » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:53 am

Terravoss wrote:Oh the point was well made, quite nicely, and a jab was thrown, all in one neat little package. Actually the bigger shame here, is you failing to recognize smart-assery at its finest. :roll:
Yes, I'm sure you've impressed yourself no end.

As for the condemnation. Meh, Unibot was a petty self-centred attention whore at the best of times who thought himself above the rules and should have been perma-banned multiple times. If he's gone, then no good will come from dragging out his existence in NS any further.
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Postby Karpathos » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:00 am

Terravoss wrote:
Vladisvok Destino wrote:
So you don't actually have any point of your own to make and just want to try and look clever? Shame you failed at it.


Oh the point was well made, quite nicely, and a jab was thrown, all in one neat little package. Actually the bigger shame here, is you failing to recognize smart-assery at its finest. :roll:

Why are you so butthurt over this condemnation?
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Postby Mahaj » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:20 am

Kind of a crappy move to condemn someone as they're leaving the game.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:46 am

The Condemnation came forward before Uni left.
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Postby Terravoss » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:11 am

Karpathos wrote:
Terravoss wrote:
Oh the point was well made, quite nicely, and a jab was thrown, all in one neat little package. Actually the bigger shame here, is you failing to recognize smart-assery at its finest. :roll:

Why are you so butthurt over this condemnation?


Never said I was butthurt, it is just a shitty move, but considering the author........

Mahaj wrote:Kind of a crappy move to condemn someone as they're leaving the game.


What do you expect. This way Uni isn't around to defend himself, and argue with big person words, that they don't comprehend.

Cerian Quilor wrote:The Condemnation came forward before Uni left.


Timing on this seems fairly suspicious if you ask me.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:23 am

Terravoss wrote:
Karpathos wrote:Why are you so butthurt over this condemnation?


Never said I was butthurt, it is just a shitty move, but considering the author........

Mahaj wrote:Kind of a crappy move to condemn someone as they're leaving the game.


What do you expect. This way Uni isn't around to defend himself, and argue with big person words, that they don't comprehend.

Cerian Quilor wrote:The Condemnation came forward before Uni left.


Timing on this seems fairly suspicious if you ask me.

If the timing is anything but an unfortunate coincidence (it is just a coincidence) There are two Possibilities: Unibot or someone else who knew ahead of time told Durk (extremely unlikely) or Durk's resolution is the real reason Unibot left (also extremely unlikely).
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Postby Mahaj » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:15 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:The Condemnation came forward before Uni left.

Doesn't mean it can't be pulled.
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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:08 am

Mahaj wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:The Condemnation came forward before Uni left.

Doesn't mean it can't be pulled.


Doesn't mean it should be pulled.
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Postby Mahaj » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:15 am

Vladisvok Destino wrote:
Mahaj wrote:Doesn't mean it can't be pulled.


Doesn't mean it should be pulled.

Doesn't make it not a crappy move.
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Postby Hirota » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:26 am

So, what have we got in this thread so far: Not a single copy of the proposal, one post on one clause of the proposal, and a whole lot of whining, bitching (myself included) and pointless one-liners. Not the most promising of starts is it.

How about we let this die folks? Surely we have better things to do?
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Postby Eist » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:26 am

Terravoss wrote:Timing on this seems fairly suspicious if you ask me.


What following what, I have to ask? :eyebrow:
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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:32 am

Hirota wrote:How about we let this die folks? Surely we have better things to do?


Such as the next few months of continued arguing back and forth over the NE liberation? This is a funny little sideshow in the mean time (especially if Durk can get it onto the floor.)
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:33 am

Durk is clearly too much of an ass to pull it or he would have already.
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Postby Nea-Petropolis » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:30 am

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vie ... 1365322280

So far it's just been Uni's sycophants crying a whole lot over this proposal...or his leaving...not too sure anymore. :palm:
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:25 pm

Forgive my ignorance, but I am a bit puzzled as to why the author would try to condemn uni for supporting the author's own coup of the North Pacific, however many months ago that was. Is it satire?
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Postby Ardchoille » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:44 pm

You now have the proposal text available in the OP. So Terravos, Cerian Quilor, *** quit the personal attacks on each other *** and stick to the topic.
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