[SUBMITTED] Repeal Liberate Nazi Europe

[Cerian Quilor]

I don't think it makes it silly, because I don't let someone else decide my views.

Anyway, I still have a care quotient of like...0

[Captain Woodhouse]

being a communist/socialist/anarchist isn't the same as being a racist and antisemitic piece of s**t.

Being a Holodomor-denying Stalinist, Maoist, Juchist, Guevarist, or any other mass murderer cheerleader, hiding behind a cutesy revolutionary anthem, is the same as being a class-hating piece of s**t. Yes, I know you couldn't be more proud.

I know all of what you posted.

I don't care.

Nazi Europe made OMD delegate. OMD used that position to attack Haven. Therefore NE will burn.

I didn't post that information for your benefit, I posted it for the people who think they can trust you to tell the whole truth in the Security Council. I'm aware you knew there was more to it than 'Nazis. Haven. Burn'.

To be fair, NE is not just fascist, but explicitly Nazi.

Then perhaps you should live somewhere else.

If you're not Nazi, don't live in a region called 'Nazi Europe'

What you really mean to say is we shouldn't 'live' in a founderless region no matter what the hell we are. But, it's too tempting to try to put us in our place by playing devil's advocate. It's worn a little thin, Quilor.

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And the Holocaust memorial was/is a virtual region in a game. By the very nature of a game, things aren't to be taken as seriously as you do - such as this case. You say its not classy, I say its Raiders being raiders. It was not honoring anyone who died during the holocaust - we have REAL memorials for that. Just as Antifa doesn't honor the people who have died fighting fascism, a region that calls itself 'holocaust memorial' isn't a memorial. Naming something doesn't make it so.

Naming something doesn't make it so. Thank you for supporting in another thread what we've been saying all along.

You've little sympathy for a founderless region, be it Holocaust Memorial or Nazi. The bottom line is, we're asking for it because were founderless. We wouldn't be here if we had a founder.

[The North Polish Union]

It's not that your founderless, it's that your Nazi.

In general, I'm on the side of founderless regions.

[Captain Woodhouse]

That's nice. It may or may not interest you to know that the former founder of Hippiedom has applied his WA to NE's WAD. I consider him a friend, and an enlightened friend at that. Unlike you, he can see beyond the region name.

[Aryan Polish Resistance]

Why is everyone saying "Nazi"? It is called being a National Socialist. The NSDAP never called themselves "Nazis". Nazi was a insult created by the Communists in responce to The NSDAP calling them Sozis

[Cerian Quilor]

being a communist/socialist/anarchist isn't the same as being a racist and antisemitic piece of s**t.

Being a Holodomor-denying Stalinist, Maoist, Juchist, Guevarist, or any other mass murderer cheerleader, hiding behind a cutesy revolutionary anthem, is the same as being a class-hating piece of s**t. Yes, I know you couldn't be more proud.

I know all of what you posted.

I don't care.

Nazi Europe made OMD delegate. OMD used that position to attack Haven. Therefore NE will burn.

I didn't post that information for your benefit, I posted it for the people who think they can trust you to tell the whole truth in the Security Council. I'm aware you knew there was more to it than 'Nazis. Haven. Burn'.

To be fair, NE is not just fascist, but explicitly Nazi.

Then perhaps you should live somewhere else.

If you're not Nazi, don't live in a region called 'Nazi Europe'

What you really mean to say is we shouldn't 'live' in a founderless region no matter what the hell we are. But, it's too tempting to try to put us in our place by playing devil's advocate. It's worn a little thin, Quilor.

viewtopic.php?p=12616941#p12616941

And the Holocaust memorial was/is a virtual region in a game. By the very nature of a game, things aren't to be taken as seriously as you do - such as this case. You say its not classy, I say its Raiders being raiders. It was not honoring anyone who died during the holocaust - we have REAL memorials for that. Just as Antifa doesn't honor the people who have died fighting fascism, a region that calls itself 'holocaust memorial' isn't a memorial. Naming something doesn't make it so.

Naming something doesn't make it so. Thank you for supporting in another thread what we've been saying all along.

You've little sympathy for a founderless region, be it Holocaust Memorial or Nazi. The bottom line is, we're asking for it because were founderless. We wouldn't be here if we had a founder.

I agree that naming doesn't make it so, Woody. But I'm not targeting you either. I'm explaining the reason you're being targeted, not why I'm targeting you. I don't give two shits.

[Captain Woodhouse]

Most cats who don't give two shits eventually stfu, yanno? That ain't an insult, I just really don't get your continuous presence in this thread—and in others—either playing d.a. or reiterating how much you don't give two shits.

[Cerian Quilor]

Because I like poiting out BS on all sides, and I enjoy arguements.

Don't try to understand my mind, Woody. Its hostile territory.

[Ponderosa]

Support. The Republic of Ponderosa believes that liberations should only be used for stolen regions, not an attack on an ideology.

[Cerian Quilor]

Support. The Republic of Ponderosa believes that liberations should only be used for stolen regions, not an attack on an ideology.

That's exactly why the passage of Liberate Nazi Europe is such a great thing for the good guys (i.e. Imperialists and Independants). It weakens the Liberation Resolution!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I support the repeal. I believe that this has been upgraded from a simple territorial invasion to becoming something that, quite honestly, is an in-game ideological war. Sure, being Nazi IS bad, but then we should ban Neo-Nazi speech (which we don't in the US, they can say whatever the hell they want as long as they don't go and kill any Jews).

Since when a game is meant to be taken this seriously?! I mean, I understand the concerns, but this whole Liberation set an entire new precedent: that any nation or region can use the Security Council for their own agendas. As a Foreign Policy historian I find that this can be a dangerous precedent for Nation States, one that must not be let given any course of action but rather nipped in the bud.

Mostly because if we are going to liberate regions we don't agree with then we are placing the burden of having those regions to comply to the majority of free, liberal regions which in this game that is simply not how it should work. A Nazi Europe is a nice thing to have in a game because it shows, through simulated basis, how a perfectly nazi system would work and how well would the region run if left to it's National Socialist agenda or, it would be a cool name if the members are not on the Nazi wagon. Plus, if we think about it, we should also outlaw Wolfenstein original digital copies from the free-distribution online and doom since they carry Nazi motifs.

It also is an impediment to the freedom of information. I mean, most of us wouldn't like for the net to be censored, right? So why would we censor a minority of people who have decided, for one reason or another, to be under a name like Nazi Europe? If you don't like it you just don't have to pay attention to the region. There are hundreds of regions I may not agree with if I explore the regions, but then again that doesn't mean I will use the power of the Security Council for my own personal benefit on a vendetta or a personal crusade against the Nation State's regions I don't agree with. And I believe this also should be the policy by which all of us as WA members should go by.

And by the way, I am no nazi or authoritarian loon, but I do think this has to be repealed.

[Cerian Quilor]

And now you're taking this too seriously.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And now you're taking this too seriously.

Maybe but I needed to express my concern on the whole thing I mean, it's a game thus, once you begin breaching from the game aspect into the personal aspect (like many people against Nazi Europe are doing) of it all it begins to devolve into something most of us don't want to see it devolving

[Cerian Quilor]

Define 'most' of us?

[The North Polish Union]

It seems to me like a lot of the Nazis here are taking this too seriously in my opinion.
Seriously, why not just give it up and refound the region?
And what's with you guys always harassing each others regions too? I thought you stood for German unity and all that .

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Define 'most' of us?

Okay, nitpicking doesn't solve things fine, I just don't think that's the way it should be devolving

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It seems to me like a lot of the Nazis here are taking this too seriously in my opinion.
Seriously, why not just give it up and refound the region?
And what's with you guys always harassing each others regions too? I thought you stood for German unity and all that .

Lol ^ well, that's a good option but seriously, why would anyone use the Security Council just to change a NAME?! I mean I'm new here but seriously? One thing is the actions of the members, another different thing is being asinine about the name itself (Nazi Europe is hardly anything offensive. And I know, the holocaust was a horrible thing, but if we're going to make cahoots about a name then we should ask the KKK to change its name to, idk, the MMM and yet I doubt I would see people complain and placing a condemnation about a country called "The Empire of the Klu Klux Klan" ).

[The North Polish Union]

A nation called "the Empire of the Klu Klux Klan" would probably get instantly mod-deleted instead of condemned

The reason they should refound the region is so that they have an active founder, not to change the name. They could even call it "NEW NAZI EUROPE" and it couldnt be condemned for the name.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

A nation called "the Empire of the Klu Klux Klan" would probably get instantly mod-deleted instead of condemned

The reason they should refound the region is so that they have an active founder, not to change the name. They could even call it "NEW NAZI EUROPE" and it couldnt be condemned for the name.

You make a good point there to be honest, and I have nothing to say against that xD

[Vladisvok Destino]

Seriously, why not just give it up and refound the region?

Because clearly trying to refound the region at the moment is a genius move and not a sure fire way to get everyone in the GCRs spamming refresh at update to try and steal it out from under them

[Sedgistan]

Would you agree that The Internationale should be "liberated" because a lot of people don't like the ideals of communism/socialism/anarchism either?

No, for a couple reasons. First because the Internationale is just that, a conglomeration of different beliefs, and doesn't support a unified and historically genocidal political movement. Second is because being a communist/socialist/anarchist isn't the same as being a racist and antisemitic piece of s**t.

Being a Holodomor-denying Stalinist, Maoist, Juchist, Guevarist, or any other mass murderer cheerleader, hiding behind a cutesy revolutionary anthem, is the same as being a class-hating piece of s**t. Yes, I know you couldn't be more proud.

Both of you can cut that out, or expect to be warned.

[Woahdude]

against.

This is a stupid idea that is going to end up setting a bad precedent. This passes, it;s only a quick step to getting every liberation overturned via accusing it of being 'ideological'.

[Cerian Quilor]

Seriously, why not just give it up and refound the region?

Because clearly trying to refound the region at the moment is a genius move and not a sure fire way to get everyone in the GCRs spamming refresh at update to try and steal it out from under them

Or they could just make a region called any number of similar things and move there.

[Rupture Farms co]

against.

This is a stupid idea that is going to end up setting a bad precedent. This passes, it;s only a quick step to getting every liberation overturned via accusing it of being 'ideological'.

You are such a reasonless shill it's not funny. What did the lib set then? That if you have enough political weight you could force anyone open.

[Cerian Quilor]

against.

This is a stupid idea that is going to end up setting a bad precedent. This passes, it;s only a quick step to getting every liberation overturned via accusing it of being 'ideological'.

You are such a reasonless shill it's not funny. What did the lib set then? That if you have enough political weight you could force anyone open.

Every lib is an ideological act of the Defenders.