[SUBMITTED] Repeal Liberate Nazi Europe

by **Cerian Quilor** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:56 am

That's fair enough, except for the fact that you can expect to get this kind of abuse as long as you live there, and really lose any right to complain

Not that the people giving you the abuse are acting like saints either

by **The Marxist State** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:53 am

The Gregorach wrote:Actually, our name is Nazi. The inhabitants are not.

You're choosing to associate yourself with them by name.

by **Rupture Farms co** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:21 pm

The Marxist State wrote:
The Gregorach wrote:Actually, our name is Nazi. The inhabitants are not.

You're choosing to associate yourself with them by name.

Your choosing to associate with the murderers of several hundred million, do I judge you as a person? I probably do but I won't use it as a reason to smash you.

by **The North Polish Union** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:33 pm

I don't see why Nazis try to justify themselves by pointing out that Communists killed more people, it doesn't make the fact that Nazis killed people too any less excusable.

by **Cerian Quilor** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:33 pm

No, but it makes communists worse, theoretically

by **The Two Jerseys** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:42 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:I don't see why Nazis try to justify themselves by pointing out that Communists killed more people, it doesn't make the fact that Nazis killed people too any less excusable.

Probably because NE is saying that they're being picked on for events that AREN'T EVEN GAME RELATED while other regions with extreme views aren't being attacked in a similar manner.

by **Mad Jack** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:44 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:I don't see why Nazis try to justify themselves by pointing out that Communists killed more people, it doesn't make the fact that Nazis killed people too any less excusable.

Probably because NE is saying that they're being picked on for events that AREN'T EVEN GAME RELATED while other regions with extreme views aren't being attacked in a similar manner.

NE members and others are welcome to submit Liberation proposals on communist regions.

by **Cerian Quilor** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:56 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Probably because NE is saying that they're being picked on for events that AREN'T EVEN GAME RELATED while other regions with extreme views aren't being attacked in a similar manner.

NE members and others are welcome to submit Liberation proposals on communist regions.

Or you could get off your high horse.

by **Allinlia** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:19 pm

fully support.

by **Mad Jack** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:42 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:NE members and others are welcome to submit Liberation proposals on communist regions.

Or you could get off your high horse.

Nah. It's fun up here.

You should take the chip off your shoulder though. It's getting quite wearisome.

by **The Marxist State** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:02 pm

Rupture Farms co wrote:Your choosing to associate with the murderers of several hundred million

Wrong. I'm associating myself with Marxism, not Stalinism or Maoism. And if you're referring to The Internationale, it as a region doesn't endorse a particular ideology, as mentioned before.

by **Cerian Quilor** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:02 pm

You do realize that this entire exchange of SC issues matters not one whit to me? I don't care enough to have a chip on my shoulder about this.

by **The Duat (Ancient)** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:42 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:If you're not Nazi, don't live in a region called 'Nazi Europe'

Why not?

by **Blue Wolf II** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:45 pm

Because...stuff!

by **Mad Jack** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:05 am

The Duat wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:If you're not Nazi, don't live in a region called 'Nazi Europe'

Why not?

Because it makes you a target.

by **Cerian Quilor** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:29 am

Mad Jack wrote:
The Duat wrote:
Why not?

Because it makes you a target.

This exactly.

by **Cerian Quilor** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:00 am

Now that the most vocal supporter for it in the original thread has changed sides and must be against raiding Nazi Regions, we can safely repeal this

by **Galiantus II** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:08 am

Mad Jack wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Probably because NE is saying that they're being picked on for events that AREN'T EVEN GAME RELATED while other regions with extreme views aren't being attacked in a similar manner.

NE members and others are welcome to submit Liberation proposals on communist regions.

Because we all know the feeder delegates and the other powerful delegates would totally all go along with that. The problem here is that many of the powerful delegates conspired together against one region simply because they knew they could and most people would go along with it. Had this been a communist region you did this to, the only difference it would make is which people were for and against. Instead, we would have some Nazis cheering you on and many Communists in uproar. But there are a lot of gameplayers and others who would not change their views of the situation, who recognize what is really going on here: the majority is voting to lynch someone for their real or pretended convictions, and those with significant amounts of power, such as yourself, are using their own powers and appealing to the majority to make the lynching possible.

Mad Jack wrote:
The Duat wrote:
Why not?

Because it makes you a target.

I am proud to be a target, then, because it means I am defending freedom of speech and the rights of the minority from a pack of cowardly wolves.

by **Cerian Quilor** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:10 am

You're defending Nazis. Apologies if that doesn't make most people thing of you as a noble crusader for good and justice in the world.

by **Accept the Inevitable** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:19 am

In general I do not agree with the ideology of Nazism. But, that being said, since there is no harm in this game, I say let bygones be bygones. To use the SC to further a personal goal is wrong.

I know I am just a n00b here, but that is my opinion, and that is how I shall vote.

by **Galiantus II** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:42 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:You're defending Nazis. Apologies if that doesn't make most people thing of you as a noble crusader for good and justice in the world.

Oh I know that. It would definitely be easier to stand 100% against the ideology I disagree with, but from my gameplay perspective this is the most logical thing to do. Perhaps even the most moral thing to do (not that you should think there are morals in the context of the game, though).

by **Cerian Quilor** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:46 am

Galiantus II wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:You're defending Nazis. Apologies if that doesn't make most people thing of you as a noble crusader for good and justice in the world.

Oh I know that. It would definitely be easier to stand 100% against the ideology I disagree with, but from my gameplay perspective this is the most logical thing to do. Perhaps even the most moral thing to do (not that you should think there are morals in the context of the game, though).

If morals in the game did exist, defending Nazis wouldn't be the 'most' moral thing. Nor would attacking them either, really.

by **Feux** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:10 pm

Being honest, I don't think the real UN has any pity for nazi free speech so neither do I. Here

by **Cerian Quilor** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:23 pm

Feux wrote:Being honest, I don't think the real UN has any pity for nazi free speech so neither do I. Here

you base all your opinions on the UN's views?

by **Feux** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:25 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Feux wrote:Being honest, I don't think the real UN has any pity for nazi free speech so neither do I. Here

you base all your opinions on the UN's views?

No, I'm just saying this argument of nazi free speech is a little silly. But I guess I did give that impression, poorly worded on my part.

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