[SUBMITTED] Repeal Liberate Nazi Europe

[Sondstead]

The Resolution is hypocrisy! Why is only Nationalsocialism/Nazi Europe always exposed to criticism? Communism/Communist regions and religious fundamentalism/religious fundamentalist regions should also be "liberated"? Take the whole bunch of extremism not one specific part of it or just let them all exist!

Communism may be extremist, yes, but it isn't an ideology based on ultranationalism, imperialism, and racism like Nazism is. If they were just normal nationalist traditionalists with a corporatist economic outlook, they'd be regular fascists.

Of course, I'm still not sure we should abuse the Security Council to raid them. If nothing else it could be a dangerous precedent, especially if people take it to imply they can try and liberate-raid other regions based on ideology.

[The Marxist State]

Nazi regions deserve to be raided and shut down for promoting racism, antisemitism, homophobia, and imperialism. So I would oppose this resolution.

Maybe it sets a bad precedent, but I don't give a damn because it upsets me that much that people are so willing to create "nazi" nations, poisoning this game with the worst ideals humanity has to offer.

[Bundabunda]

Your wish is my command.

You got it wrong. DVL is the next to the last guy I want representing us.

Out of sheer curiosity, who would the No. 1 be?

[The North Polish Union]

The Resolution is hypocrisy! Why is only Nationalsocialism/Nazi Europe always exposed to criticism? Communism/Communist regions and religious fundamentalism/religious fundamentalist regions should also be "liberated"? Take the whole bunch of extremism not one specific part of it or just let them all exist!

Yeah, I don't really like Communists myself, but since I'm in a Slavic/Eastern European I have to get along with them.
Religious fundamentalists are fine by me though.

I think the reason that fascism gets hit with legislation like this is because the main thing that fascism is associated with today is Nazi Germany, and the main thing Nazi Germany is associated with is the Holocaust. Neither Communism or religious fundamentalism is so strongly associated with genocide in most people's minds.

Relating to NS though, the fascists on NS seem to me to be a highly intolerant group of people who consistently flame those who they disagree with and demand that they be tolerated. That does not help people overcome their anti-fascist feelings, in fact, it probably strengthens them.

[The Two Jerseys]

Nazi regions deserve to be raided and shut down for promoting racism, antisemitism, homophobia, and imperialism. So I would oppose this resolution.

Maybe it sets a bad precedent, but I don't give a damn because it upsets me that much that people are so willing to create "nazi" nations, poisoning this game with the worst ideals humanity has to offer.

Except that their beliefs alone aren't valid grounds to justify a "liberation". Would you agree that The Internationale should be "liberated" because a lot of people don't like the ideals of communism/socialism/anarchism either?

[The Marxist State]

Would you agree that The Internationale should be "liberated" because a lot of people don't like the ideals of communism/socialism/anarchism either?

No, for a couple reasons. First because the Internationale is just that, a conglomeration of different beliefs, and doesn't support a unified and historically genocidal political movement. Second is because being a communist/socialist/anarchist isn't the same as being a racist and antisemitic piece of s**t.

[Luxembourgish Federal Republic]

The Resolution is hypocrisy! Why is only Nationalsocialism/Nazi Europe always exposed to criticism? Communism/Communist regions and religious fundamentalism/religious fundamentalist regions should also be "liberated"? Take the whole bunch of extremism not one specific part of it or just let them all exist!

Yeah, I don't really like Communists myself, but since I'm in a Slavic/Eastern European I have to get along with them.
Religious fundamentalists are fine by me though.

I think the reason that fascism gets hit with legislation like this is because the main thing that fascism is associated with today is Nazi Germany, and the main thing Nazi Germany is associated with is the Holocaust. Neither Communism or religious fundamentalism is so strongly associated with genocide in most people's minds.

Relating to NS though, the fascists on NS seem to me to be a highly intolerant group of people who consistently flame those who they disagree with and demand that they be tolerated. That does not help people overcome their anti-fascist feelings, in fact, it probably strengthens them.

Well I am myself Half-Polish and I associate Communism with Gulags, Mao, terror and Stalin and I associate religious fundamentalism with Breivik, islamism, Saud-Arabia, Crusades and Sharia. I'd prefer a Bill or proposal where the world assembly would define Extremism and liberate (even if I am mostly against it) Extremist regions. I don't understand why some groups have a special treatment and while other don't. I reject the idea of double-standarts and it are not only the fascists who constantly flame those who disagree with them, but (in my case) mostly the communists.

[Cerian Quilor]

To be fair, NE is not just fascist, but explicitly Nazi.

[Mad Jack]

The Resolution is hypocrisy! Why is only Nationalsocialism/Nazi Europe always exposed to criticism? Communism/Communist regions and religious fundamentalism/religious fundamentalist regions should also be "liberated"? Take the whole bunch of extremism not one specific part of it or just let them all exist!

You're welcome to submit a Liberation proposal about a communist region.

Stop zooming the SC, Mad Jack and DVL.

I know all of what you posted.

I don't care.

Nazi Europe made OMD delegate. OMD used that position to attack Haven. Therefore NE will burn.

[Cerian Quilor]

So a region should burn for something one of its delegate's did a long time ago, against the will of the rest of the region, for all time? That's taking guilt by association a we bit far, no?

[The Gregorach]

Nazi Europe made OMD delegate. OMD used that position to attack Haven. Therefore NE will burn.

Is it just me, or is Mad Jack incapable of processing more than one thought at one time? Variations of the above quote are all that he's said in days.

Nazi regions deserve to be raided and shut down for promoting racism, antisemitism, homophobia, and imperialism. So I would oppose this resolution.

Maybe it sets a bad precedent, but I don't give a damn because it upsets me that much that people are so willing to create "nazi" nations, poisoning this game with the worst ideals humanity has to offer.

Oh, my bad. I was unaware we were promoting racism, antisemitism, homophobia, and imperialism. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

To be fair, NE is not just fascist, but explicitly Nazi.

Actually, our name is Nazi. The inhabitants are not. Some of us espouse some sort of fascism, and if memory serves there are a few who espouse the economic portions of national socialism, as opposed to the racial aspects, but that's it. The Nazis as y'all are thinking of them all left NE a long time back, out of disgust at our lack of ideological purity.

[Mad Jack]

So a region should burn for something one of its delegate's did a long time ago, against the will of the rest of the region, for all time?

Yes.

That's taking guilt by association a we bit far, no?

And?

[Cerian Quilor]

Then perhaps you should live somewhere else.

@Madjack: Its a fundamentally stupid premise. Should Osiris be tainted as GCR coupers forever and ever because someone couped you?

[Sciongrad]

So a region should burn for something one of its delegate's did a long time ago, against the will of the rest of the region, for all time?

Yes.

That's taking guilt by association a we bit far, no?

And?

This wanton misuse of the Security Council should at least be responded to with some form of justification. Instead, all you've done is responded like a child to criticism. That's unbecoming of someone who feels they should be seen with a modicum of credibility, and frankly, it's extremely annoying. Your immaturity is making this look more and more like GCRs are just using their collective influence to pass unpopular measures, and therefore you don't need to respond to legitimate concerns. Although I'm sure you don't care.

[Cerian Quilor]

Look, you want to burn Nazis. I get that. Don't hide behind revenge for the failed liberation of Haven. Revel in your hatred of Nazis. Revel in it!

[McMasterdonia]

Yes. And?

This wanton misuse of the Security Council should at least be responded to with some form of justification. Instead, all you've done is responded like a child to criticism. That's unbecoming of someone who feels they should be seen with a modicum of credibility, and frankly, it's extremely annoying. Your immaturity is making this look more and more like GCRs are just using their collective influence to pass unpopular measures, and therefore you don't need to respond to legitimate concerns. Although I'm sure you don't care.

To pass unpopular measures? Hardly. It passed with about double the votes against it. Justification has been given many times. Many of you are too blind to read it, and instead respond with useless rants about abuse of the Security Council.

The Delegates involved used the mechanisms of the Security Council to assist in getting this vote passed. I'm sure when it was one of your many resolutions it wasn't exploitation of the GA or SC, when Delegates voted in favor of it to assist its passing? Typical, selective criticism. I'll keep that in mind the next time you abuse the World Assembly to get one of your proposals passed.

The simple fact is that Delegates are entitled to vote on resolutions in any way they like. Some regions put laws around this to obligate the Delegate to vote a certain way. GCR Delegates like any other regional Delegate are entitled to vote on any resolution, any way they like. It's not abuse of the SC. It's simply how WA Voting works.

[Mad Jack]

Yes. And?

This wanton misuse of the Security Council should at least be responded to with some form of justification.

My justification: Nazi Europe fucked with Haven. Now Nazi Europe can burn.

Instead, all you've done is responded like a child to criticism. That's unbecoming of someone who feels they should be seen with a modicum of credibility, and frankly, it's extremely annoying. Your immaturity is making this look more and more like GCRs are just using their collective influence to pass unpopular measures, and therefore you don't need to respond to legitimate concerns.

Unpopular measures? The resolution passed by a fairly large majority.

Although I'm sure you don't care.

In one.

Look, you want to burn Nazis. I get that. Don't hide behind revenge for the failed liberation of Haven. Revel in your hatred of Nazis. Revel in it!

I'm genuinely not hiding behind anything. The fact that NE are Nazis is a bonus.

[Cerian Quilor]

If NE wasn't Nazi, you wouldn't be doing this, Mad Jack. Even if only because you knew it wouldn't pass.

Like I said, revel in your hatred of Nazis. Don't BS people.

[Mad Jack]

If NE wasn't Nazi, you wouldn't be doing this, Mad Jack. Even if only because you knew it wouldn't pass.

Actually I would. If The Genesis Corporation had a password, I'd be proposing a liberation of that region. They did much more damage to Haven than NE ever did.

[Cerian Quilor]

Why aren't you invading TGC, then?

[Mad Jack]

Why aren't you invading TGC, then?

There are plans in motion.

[Cerian Quilor]

TGC has been founderless for...like.... a year? and unlike NE, not PW'd

[Captain Woodhouse]

Is it just me, or is Mad Jack incapable of processing more than one thought at one time? Variations of the above quote are all that he's said in days.

It ain't just you.

Actually, our name is Nazi. The inhabitants are not. Some of us espouse some sort of fascism, and if memory serves there are a few who espouse the economic portions of national socialism, as opposed to the racial aspects, but that's it. The Nazis as y'all are thinking of them all left NE a long time back, out of disgust at our lack of ideological purity.

We've said it a million times. It's repeatedly rejected like in the Dumb and Dumber shagmobile roadtrip scene when Lloyd sticks his fingers in his ears and goes lalalalala. That's what we got here, Greg.

[Cerian Quilor]

If you're not Nazi, don't live in a region called 'Nazi Europe'

[Lewis]

If you're not Nazi, don't live in a region called 'Nazi Europe'

It's a bit more complicated than that, Cerian. We all joined for one reason or another a long time back. I know at least one of our members joined as a Neo-Nazi and had a chance of heart. I joined because I was a history buff. Regardless, we that remain do so because it has been home for so long.

EDIT: Forgot I was signed in under this puppet. This is Greg.