[SUBMITTED] Repeal Liberate Nazi Europe

[The North Polish Union]

I think I'd actually vote for this if it reached quorum.

National Socialist League has said that if the repeal goes through, they'll invade NAZI EUROPE once a password is set up again (since they've already puppet flooded the region, they'd know the PW). Although I don't like any Nazi regions, it's still incredibly funny watching them destroy each other over personal disagreements

[Woahdude]

against.

This is a stupid idea that is going to end up setting a bad precedent. This passes, it;s only a quick step to getting every liberation overturned via accusing it of being 'ideological'.

You are such a reasonless shill it's not funny. What did the lib set then? That if you have enough political weight you could force anyone open.

"Shill"? When did this turn into a conspiracy website?

It didn't really set any precedent, if you seriously think every previous liberation wasn't at all 'ideological' you're deluding yourself

[Mad Jack]

I think I'd actually vote for this if it reached quorum.

National Socialist League has said that if the repeal goes through, they'll invade NAZI EUROPE once a password is set up again (since they've already puppet flooded the region, they'd know the PW). Although I don't like any Nazi regions, it's still incredibly funny watching them destroy each other over personal disagreements

This might actually be worth repealing it

[Cerian Quilor]

I think I'd actually vote for this if it reached quorum.

National Socialist League has said that if the repeal goes through, they'll invade NAZI EUROPE once a password is set up again (since they've already puppet flooded the region, they'd know the PW). Although I don't like any Nazi regions, it's still incredibly funny watching them destroy each other over personal disagreements

This might actually be worth repealing it

Except that now NE knows that its coming

[The North Polish Union]

This might actually be worth repealing it

Except that now NE knows that its coming

Many of their delegates 50-some endorsements are coming from National Socialist League, and I doubt that their delegate will have enough influence to ban all of them, especially with all the people he's been banning already.

[Cerian Quilor]

Banning invaders costs very little to no influence. And all those endos are GIVING him extra influence, and the NSL guys are new.

[Captain Woodhouse]

Many of their delegates 50-some endorsements are coming from National Socialist League, and I doubt that their delegate will have enough influence to ban all of them, especially with all the people he's been banning already.

Stop zooming the Security Council, NPU. I played Barney to Slavia's Baby Bop in Reichstag not long ago, Boy, was that fun. Looks like some folks here think you're on the up and up, but hey—they just don't know you and your playmates in The communist region as well as I do.

[The North Polish Union]

Many of their delegates 50-some endorsements are coming from National Socialist League, and I doubt that their delegate will have enough influence to ban all of them, especially with all the people he's been banning already.

Stop zooming the Security Council, NPU. I played Barney to Slavia's Baby Bop in Reichstag not long ago, Boy, was that fun. Looks like some folks here think you're on the up and up, but hey—they just don't know you and your playmates in The communist region as well as I do.

I'm not sure what that has to do with this argument.

[Captain Woodhouse]

Stop zooming the Security Council, NPU. I played Barney to Slavia's Baby Bop in Reichstag not long ago, Boy, was that fun. Looks like some folks here think you're on the up and up, but hey—they just don't know you and your playmates in The communist region as well as I do.

I'm not sure what that has to do with this argument.

You're lying about NSL's presence in NE. That's what it has to do with the 'argument'.

[The North Polish Union]

I'm not sure what that has to do with this argument.

You're lying about NSL's presence in NE. That's what it has to do with the 'argument'.

So let me get this straight. Because Slavia lost in Reichstag, National Socialist League must not have any presence in Nazi Europe?

You can't deny that at least some of the defenders in NE have come from NSL.

[Captain Woodhouse]

Slavia deliberately lost Reichstag to the GGR after playing Antifa, The Greater German Reich and Nazi Europe off of each other. You're really not the smooth operators you think you are.

NSL has NO presence in Nazi Europe. If you think it does, prove it.

[Daynor]

I would be in the minority to vote for this.

[Wind in the Willows]

I support.

[Aryan Polish Resistance]

I support

[The Marxist State]

Let me just quickly defend myself without attacking.

Stalinist, Maoist

I've made clear my rejection of those communist, not socialist, political systems, and I certainly don't deny the atrocities they committed.

Juchist

Kim-il Sung's experiment in narcissism doesn't even qualify as Communism. It is a psychotic dictatorship that was supported by an equally narcissistic Stalin, and has nothing in common with the struggle for class equality.

Guevarist

This is a series of revolution/guerrilla tactics, not a political system.

[Captain Woodhouse]

I'm not interested in a 'what is a commie'? dialogue. That's for the General Forum. All I'm saying is The Internationale is 'home' to some outspoken supporters of those fine regimes. You know anyone in Nazi Europe who is racist or anti-Semitic? If so, please inform the author of this proposal and/or the National Socialist League. We'd like them off our back. They want us gone as much you do because they think we're a hotbed of Zionists.

[The Two Jerseys]

You are such a reasonless shill it's not funny. What did the lib set then? That if you have enough political weight you could force anyone open.

"Shill"? When did this turn into a conspiracy website?

It didn't really set any precedent, if you seriously think every previous liberation wasn't at all 'ideological' you're deluding yourself

Previous liberations were staged because outsiders entered regions, became delegates, set passwords, and expelled region natives, and the natives wanted the invaders thrown out and the original government restored.

This liberation was staged because the region had the word "Nazi" in its name and someone doesn't like real-life Nazis, not because of anything that actually happened in the game.

So by "liberating" a region for reasons that have nothing to do with the game, it set a bad precedent.

[Cerian Quilor]

"Shill"? When did this turn into a conspiracy website?

It didn't really set any precedent, if you seriously think every previous liberation wasn't at all 'ideological' you're deluding yourself

Previous liberations were staged because outsiders entered regions, became delegates, set passwords, and expelled region natives, and the natives wanted the invaders thrown out and the original government restored.

This liberation was staged because the region had the word "Nazi" in its name and someone doesn't like real-life Nazis, not because of anything that actually happened in the game.

So by "liberating" a region for reasons that have nothing to do with the game, it set a bad precedent.

All liberations are ideologically defender.

[The divided]

Previous liberations were staged because outsiders entered regions, became delegates, set passwords, and expelled region natives, and the natives wanted the invaders thrown out and the original government restored.

This liberation was staged because the region had the word "Nazi" in its name and someone doesn't like real-life Nazis, not because of anything that actually happened in the game.

So by "liberating" a region for reasons that have nothing to do with the game, it set a bad precedent.

All liberations are ideologically defender.

No, they're not.

And I don't disagree with this resolution, Nazi's are a stain on the game.

Furthermore, this is not the first time this has been done. Liberate Islam was a crank pulled by Oh My Days (former delegate and leader of Nazi Europe) to allow Islam to be raided.

[Cerian Quilor]

But at the time, Islam had been raided by a differant group.

[Xanthal]

If Liberate NAZI EUROPE wasn't an example of a Liberation being used for a non-defender motive, I don't know what is. If anything it was supposed to facilitate invasion. Just because a region has a perverse ideology doesn't make overthrowing its native leadership not the act of a raider. Sure you can justify it in a number of other, potentially noble ways, but let's not twist our definitions and say it's a defender action.

[Cerian Quilor]

If Liberate NAZI EUROPE wasn't an example of a Liberation being used for a non-defender motive, I don't know what is. If anything it was supposed to facilitate invasion. Just because a region has a perverse ideology doesn't make overthrowing its native leadership not the act of a raider. Sure you can justify it in a number of other, potentially noble ways, but let's not twist our definitions and say it's a defender action.

All liberations not counting this one**

[Communist Destroyer]

All liberations are ideologically defender.

No, they're not.

And I don't disagree with this resolution, Nazi's are a stain on the game.

Furthermore, this is not the first time this has been done. Liberate Islam was a crank pulled by Oh My Days (former delegate and leader of Nazi Europe) to allow Islam to be raided.

you communists are supremely worse of a stain on this game. what give you the right to decide who can be here and who can not?
if you would get your nose out of the air once in a while, you will notice you are equally hated, if not more so by the rest of the non-communist community.

[The Great Destruction]

Not gonna happen, Nazis. Its sad, I know, with your liberation beinag an abuse of the system available to your enemies, but since you stand for an ideal of inequality and propaganda based ignorance, I have no sympathy for you. The region of Nazi Europe will have to suffer long before you will have the momentum to repeal this clause.

[Iron Confederation]

If Liberate NAZI EUROPE wasn't an example of a Liberation being used for a non-defender motive, I don't know what is. If anything it was supposed to facilitate invasion. Just because a region has a perverse ideology doesn't make overthrowing its native leadership not the act of a raider. Sure you can justify it in a number of other, potentially noble ways, but let's not twist our definitions and say it's a defender action.

This is exactly why I plan to approve and vote for this proposal if it ever gets submitted again. Also because the principle of freedom of speech is a valued tenet of the Iron Confederation, and attacking Nazis for what they say is a major violation of this principle.