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[SUBMITTED] Repeal Liberate Nazi Europe

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[SUBMITTED] Repeal Liberate Nazi Europe

Postby Die Volkes Lebensraum » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:01 pm

The Security Council,

NOTING that the security council's goal is to promote interregional peace via force if necessary.

FURTHER NOTING that the intention of the liberation resolution is to protect regions from raids, not enable them.

APPALLED that this goal has been twisted by Feux and his colleagues to promote another front of a war founded on an ideological basis.

HORRIFIED that Feux, a leader of a democratic region, has gone completely against democratic beliefs by writing a resolution that attempts to crush freedom of expression.

REALIZING that the liberation in question has many grammatical and punctuation mistakes.

RECOGNIZING that the proposal in itself is contradictory , for example it states the NAZI EUROPE "shall decay into oblivion" but a few points later states that it is "frightened that such a stronghold...could...corrupt entire communities"

HEREBY repeals "liberate nazi europe".


Written quite quickly, will need some tweaking and if anybody else has other points do tell.
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:14 pm

APPALLED that this goal has been twisted by Feux and his colleagues to promote another front of a war founded on an ideological basis.

Illegal. Rule 4a. You can't use personal pronouns such as 'his' when referring to a nation.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:53 pm

Die Volkes Lebensraum wrote:
The Security Council,

NOTING that the security council's goal is to promote interregional peace via force if necessary.

APPALLED that this goal has been twisted by Feux and his colleagues to promote another front of a war founded on an ideological basis.

HORRIFIED that Feux, a leader of a democratic region, has gone completely against democratic beliefs by writing a resolution that attempts to crush freedom of expression.

REALIZING that the liberation in question has many grammatical and punctuation mistakes.

RECOGNIZING that the proposal in itself is contradictory , for example it states the NAZI EUROPE "shall decay into oblivion" but a few points later states that it is "frightened that such a stronghold...could...corrupt entire communities"

HEREBY repeals "liberate nazi europe".


Written quite quickly, will need some tweaking and if anybody else has other points do tell.

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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:10 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Die Volkes Lebensraum wrote:
Written quite quickly, will need some tweaking and if anybody else has other points do tell.

Democracy has nothing to do with freedom of expression. Mob rule is democracy in its purest form.

Take the political talk elsewhere.

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Postby Feux » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:22 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Democracy has nothing to do with freedom of expression. Mob rule is democracy in its purest form.

Take the political talk elsewhere.

Then it needs to be taken out of the proposal. :P
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:25 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Democracy has nothing to do with freedom of expression. Mob rule is democracy in its purest form.

Take the political talk elsewhere.

You mean take the facts elsewhere?
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Postby Bundabunda » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:08 pm

It's hilarious that the one guy who Nazi Europe doesn't want representing them-is representing them.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:10 pm

Nazi regions are made of fail, by definition.
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Postby Bundabunda » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:14 pm

I'd love for Woody and co. to chime in on this repeal that's going to be forced on them should this make quorum.
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Postby Sondstead » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:15 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Nazi regions are made of fail, by definition.


Nazis in general are.

That said, the liberation resolution was likely... ill-advised. Doesn't set a very good precedent, certainly (or has something like this happened before? I wouldn't know).
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Postby The North Polish Union » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:18 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Nazi regions are made of fail, by definition.

Those GGR klownz have to be the most incompetent though. :p
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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:21 pm

Sondstead wrote:That said, the liberation resolution was likely... ill-advised. Doesn't set a very good precedent, certainly (or has something like this happened before? I wouldn't know).


Depends who you ask. Its been tried before (go ask Mad Jack about Haven,) although as far as I know this is the first to succeed especially in such an openly "yeah we're libbing so we can raid it" manner.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:22 pm

Vladisvok Destino wrote:
Sondstead wrote:That said, the liberation resolution was likely... ill-advised. Doesn't set a very good precedent, certainly (or has something like this happened before? I wouldn't know).


Depends who you ask. Its been tried before although as far as I know this is the first to succeed (go ask Mad Jack about Haven,) especially in such an openly "yeah we're libbing so we can raid it" manner.

That's because no one is against invading Nazi regions
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:25 pm

Did you read the thread? Plenty of people are. :P
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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:38 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:That's because no one is against invading Nazi regions


Apart from the 1/3rd of the vote tally which was against the liberation that says otherwise? The reason it passed is the GCRs vote stacked early and got the sheep to follow them, it's no different to any other half arsed resolution that gets through the same way.
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:06 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Take the political talk elsewhere.

You mean take the facts elsewhere?

No, take your shit opinion where it belongs, general.

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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:14 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:You mean take the facts elsewhere?

No, take your shit opinion where it belongs, general.


When his "shit" opinions are relevant to the proposal, here seems quite a good place for them.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:18 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:You mean take the facts elsewhere?

No, take your shit opinion where it belongs, general.

How is a statement of fact about what democracy is and isn't a 'shit opinion'

And I'm not a generalite, Newsap.
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:21 pm

Vladisvok Destino wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:No, take your shit opinion where it belongs, general.


When his "shit" opinions are relevant to the proposal, here seems quite a good place for them.

No it's not, it's an attempt to criticize democracy, and thus belongs in general.

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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:21 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:No, take your shit opinion where it belongs, general.

How is a statement of fact about what democracy is and isn't a 'shit opinion'

And I'm not a generalite, Newsap.

Except it isn't, but if you're too afraid to debate you're opinion in general, then I see the problem here.

Take it elsewhere.

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Postby Vladisvok Destino » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:23 pm

New Sapienta wrote:No it's not, it's an attempt to criticize democracy, and thus belongs in general.


No it doesn't, it's questioning the proposals argument that the original resolution was undemocratic.

It's interesting that you've never posted in the Security Council before, yet feel somehow qualified to tell those of us who have what does / doesn't belong here. Given the OPs overuse of puppets recently it does raise questions.

I'd suggest what belongs in general is you and please do feel free to go back there and leave the rest of us in peace.
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Postby Luxembourgish Federal Republic » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:28 pm

The Resolution is hypocrisy! Why is only Nationalsocialism/Nazi Europe always exposed to criticism? Communism/Communist regions and religious fundamentalism/religious fundamentalist regions should also be "liberated"? Take the whole bunch of extremism not one specific part of it or just let them all exist!
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:39 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Vladisvok Destino wrote:
When his "shit" opinions are relevant to the proposal, here seems quite a good place for them.

No it's not, it's an attempt to criticize democracy, and thus belongs in general.

No, I'm not criticizing democracy. I am quite the fan of it. but democracy does not inherently have anything to do with freedom of expression.

Democracy comes from the Greek Words 'Demos' and 'Kratos', meaning People and power respectively. A Democracy is where the people rule. A Pure Democracy is a state that has 51% tyrannizing the other 49%, because the most people voted for the tyrannizing.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:49 pm

Die Volkes Lebensraum wrote:
The Security Council,

NOTING that the security council's goal is to promote interregional peace via force if necessary.

APPALLED that this goal has been twisted by Feux and his colleagues to promote another front of a war founded on an ideological basis.

HORRIFIED that Feux, a leader of a democratic region, has gone completely against democratic beliefs by writing a resolution that attempts to crush freedom of expression.

REALIZING that the liberation in question has many grammatical and punctuation mistakes.

RECOGNIZING that the proposal in itself is contradictory , for example it states the NAZI EUROPE "shall decay into oblivion" but a few points later states that it is "frightened that such a stronghold...could...corrupt entire communities"

HEREBY repeals "liberate nazi europe".


Written quite quickly, will need some tweaking and if anybody else has other points do tell.

A few points to consider adding:

WHEREAS the resolution "Liberate NAZI EUROPE" expressly states that NAZI EUROPE was targeted for its ideology and not for its actions on the international stage;

WHEREAS the resolution "Liberate NAZI EUROPE" acknowledges that NAZI EUROPE is not a threat to international peace and security;

WHEREAS a password was imposed on NAZI EUROPE with the consent of its native inhabitants in order to protect the region from invasion;

OUTRAGED that Feux has orchestrated an invasion of NAZI EUROPE under the guise of a liberation;

OUTRAGED that the powers of the Security Council have been abused as a tool in an ideological war;

WORRIED that "Liberate NAZI EUROPE", if left to stand, could serve as a dangerous precedent for the use of the Security Council to facilitate invasions of regions;


Feel free to use and edit these as you please.
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Postby Captain Woodhouse » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:13 pm

Bundabunda wrote:It's hilarious that the one guy who Nazi Europe doesn't want representing them-is representing them.

Bundabunda wrote:I'd love for Woody and co. to chime in on this repeal that's going to be forced on them should this make quorum.


Your wish is my command. :)

You got it wrong. DVL is the next to the last guy I want representing us. He's made an ass out of himself attention-whoring and puppet-wanking (twice) in the SC. In my opinion, any legislation attached to him is a joke, including his 'Condemn Antifa'. I want to stick it to Antifa as much as the next guy, but I can't support one of the most intolerant pots in the game calling the kettle black. That's only the beginning of my objections.
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HORRIFIED that Feux, a leader of a democratic region, has gone completely against democratic beliefs by writing a resolution that attempts to crush freedom of expression.
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:roll: Good golly Miss Molly. AGAINST the Repeal and the author, who threatens to 'burn' NE unless we dance to his tune. That tune includes eliminating our Head of State and anyone else Aryan Shield Command feels is unfit to reside in the region—probably most of us. Yeah, you're into democracy big time, DVL. Pot-kettle-black is never a bright idea—not that I'm aware you've ever had one.

I'm no fan of the other Repeal on the docket either. Is there a limit to how many can be submitted at once? I'm unfamiliar with that rule.

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Sondstead wrote:That said, the liberation resolution was likely... ill-advised. Doesn't set a very good precedent, certainly (or has something like this happened before? I wouldn't know).


Depends who you ask. Its been tried before (go ask Mad Jack about Haven,) although as far as I know this is the first to succeed especially in such an openly "yeah we're libbing so we can raid it" manner.


Don't ask Mad Jack, folks. Do your own research. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=37390&hilit

'Liberate Haven' never made it to the floor. Mad Jack has about as much credibility as DVL in my book; however, he does have a few more friends.

AMOM tried to condemn Haven. viewtopic.php?p=1553725#p1553725

The thread's locked, so I can't quote conventionally:

AMOM: I'd also like to mention that the region who took the brunt of the Havenite RMB spam was "NAZI EUROPE." The delegate of NAZI EUROPE, "Oh my days," was the one who submitted "Liberate Haven." While Haven had a right to be angry with Oh my Days, many members of NAZI EUROPE were not even aware of what their delegate had proposed and, when they learned of it, were strongly opposed to it. Does Haven have a right to torture these people?

viewtopic.php?p=1553911#p1553911

Sedgistan: You might be surprised to learn that I agree. It is completely hypocritical for a region to claim that they've got nothing to do with invading/defending, and therefore shouldn't be targeted with liberations, and then to go and invade a region which had nothing to do with the liberation proposal.
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